Should I Get A Safc?

[PandaR33]

currently i only have basic mods (cat-back exhaust and apexi pod with a cai) im hopeing to go turbo after i get off my p's but im wondering if i should get a safc now.

Does anyone have one with simuler mods and what kind numbers did you gain out of it? or any other computer systems i should look at? (i have heard the emenage can cause some troubbles with the n/a's) Im looking at just a piggy back system as like most i dont have a huge budget.

Im thinking i will rebuild my rb25de for turbo but i havent done any more modding yet as im not exactly sure what will be compatable for na or a turbo application.

cheers panda.

[N-DAWG]

if you are looking to turbo later, why not start with at least something with the capabilities of the emanage blue. The SAFC isn't going to yield a lot of gains for you now, and won't allow the same level of tuning as a emanage blue will. Also depends though on whether you throw in a DET ECU or keep the DE ECU.

If you had extractors then you would gain a bit out of a SAFC, but if you're planning on going turbo later, then extractors are going to be a waste in the long term.

Remember that tuning isn't cheap! Nor is installation of piggyback ECU's. For the little gains that you'll get now, then re-tuning later when you turbocharge, save your dollars, buy a emanage or similar when you need/benefit the most from it.

If you have money to spend on getting more performance, look at suspension or better still brake upgrade before the turbo.

[PandaR33]

is the emenage a stand alone system? how much does the emnage go for? i figured i would get a piggy back now and put it on the det computer when i convert it because i have heard that even with a piggy back the de computer doesnt run well with a turbo.

i have allready done most of the suspention ie. tien coil overs, solid bushers etc. I need a new set of rims anyway so i was thinking i would do the 5 stud convertion with the det brakes just because it make rims allot easyer to find and who worldnt want better braking. thats why its not so bad that i have to wait to go turbo, means i have time to build the rest of the car before the motor.

cheers Panda.

[N-DAWG]

You're definitely on the right track if you're preparing everything else for the turbo, you definitely can't go wrong doing that, I done the same

Question, do you have an auto or manual? If auto you're going to be limited to piggy back. If you have a manual and you can afford a stand alone unit I recommend that. At least you'll save a good few hundred on install.

I got my eManage Blue for $320 (unused private sale on eBay), the harnesses were $70 each through Perfectrun.com.au, that is the optional fuel injector harness and ignition timing harness. Install couple of places quoted around $300-350 (there are a lot of wires to splice in). Allow $400-600 for tuning as well, whether that be eManage or Apexi PFC.

You can see how the emanage can easily cost $800-950, and if you look at a eManage Ultimate, you're getting close to PowerFC prices which can be swapped over and with a turbo you'll have a base map to start with.

btw..i'm running an eManage Blue with the RB25DE NEO ECU.

[PandaR33]

its a manual, i cant stand auto. yeah i would rather a power fc but i just dont have that kind of money. i was hoping around a grand.

[Eug]

depends on how hardcore you wish to go? if you're looking for a clean up because you're running a little rich or just want the car to run a little smoother/more economical then i'd say go for the SAFC. if you have some plans a little later down the track then fork out for a replacement ecu and not a piggy back system.

[PandaR33]

ok, well i am looking for power and one day plan on a minimum 200rwkw. so i guess its clear i need a stand alone system. i asked before but didnt get a reply, is the emenage stand alone or a piggy back?

allso what would be the best compramise between price and a good product? i have never really looked into computers too much. everyone i know just oppted for a remap.

[N-DAWG]

eManage is piggy back, hence a lot of wires to splice in, as opposed to straight swapping the ECU with a PowerFC.

[Eug]

emanage is a piggy back, best source of info to check these types of questions is to google emanage. you should be able to find a manual or some sort to confirm if it is or isnt a piggy back