High Powered Vehicle Restrictions, P Plater In A V35?

[BIGGERDave]

Hey guys, new to Skylines Australia, searched but nothing specific has come up.......

Iv'e been thinking of buying a V35 for a while now and im on the new Reds P's (Shit or what?) i obtained my P's After the imposed High Powered vehicle restrictions came into place for P Platers who obtained their liscense After July 1st 2007. i checked out the Vic roads site and it stated,

1)"The previous power to weight restriction will continue to apply to any probationary driver who obtained their licence before 1 July 2007."

2)"However, if a probationary driver with a pre-July 2007 licence has a car that does not meet the power to weight restrictions, but it does comply with the new high powered vehicle restrictions effective from July 2007, then the probationary driver may drive the car."

So this leads me to my point, is it worth buying one and winging it on these provisions? As stated, by the sound of things, i am legally aloud to drive a V35, even though the 350Z is on the banned list, but this isnt a 350Z, as i have found a loop hole in the law, also, has anyone ever been pulled over in a V35 and the cop/cops have no idea about the car, as in they've never seen one etc etc, or does anybody know a p plater who owns a V35 who i could talk to?

And secondly, if it does turn out to be illegal, what r the chances of being fined for driving a high powered vehicle? from my expirience, i doubt the average cop would know that the car is a "high powered vehicle" just by looking at it, unless he/she knows much about V35's

I kind of hinted to this in another thread, so sorry if any problems arouse, plz dont flame me, I bruise easily.

Thanx guys

Edited March 1, 2009 by BIGGERDave

[willL]

you can probs get a 250GT

[BIGGERDave]

you can probs get a 250GT

True, but i want to get a 350gt, Cos its a coupe, dont want the sedan version

[willL]

man no chance, im on green p's with 5 months left and I cant even get that....im under the 125kw per tonne/3.5L rule although I can drive some turbo cars etc.

Edited March 1, 2009 by willL

[BIGGERDave]

man no chance, im on green p's with 5 months left and I can even get that....im under the 125kw per tonne/3.5L rule although I can drive some turbo cars etc.

Yeah but as Vic raods state, the old laws dont apply to me, and you can drive a V35; because it meets the new laws, even though it is over the 125kw per tone rule, read my first post for clarification.

[willL]

man you still come under the 125kw per tonne rule....

EDIT: if you do want to risk it, its an $1100 fine and 3 demerit points.

Edited March 1, 2009 by willL

[BIGGERDave]

man you still come under the 125kw per tonne rule....

How so? it says on the vic roads website that i dont, unless Vic Roads is lieing , or ive just miss inturpreted it (Spelling....) either way im not trying to shit you or anyone else here, but i want some hard evidence or advice, before i go buying a car i possibly cant drive legally, would like some clarification first before forking out 30 G's of hard work thats all. thanx for the input though.

Anybody been through the same problem as me? or know anyone who has or might be able to help? would greatly appriciat some feedback cheers.

Edited March 1, 2009 by BIGGERDave

[willL]

the new red P's a considered absolute shit for a reason....mainly because they are extremely restricted due to amount of passengers aloud etc....I think you may have mis-read somthing on vic roads because theres no way that the new red P's are aloud to drive a 206kw V35 and the pre july07 green p's are not.

have a read through this thread..hope it helps

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Vi...ws-t253782.html

Edited March 1, 2009 by willL

[BIGGERDave]

the new red P's a considered absolute shit for a reason....mainly because they are extremely restricted due to amount of passengers aloud etc....I think you may have mis-read somthing on vic roads because theres no way that the new red P's are aloud to drive a 206kw V35 and the pre july07 green p's are not.

have a read through this thread..hope it helps

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Vi...ws-t253782.html

Lol, step ahead of ya mate, already posted in there yesterday, second last post, and i think you can drive one, Vic roads says......

2)"However, if a probationary driver with a pre-July 2007 licence has a car that does not meet the power to weight restrictions, but it does comply with the new high powered vehicle restrictions effective from July 2007, then the probationary driver may drive the car.""

For Evidence Check http://www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au/node/196 first heading, 3rd paragraph down

Also check, http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Licens...werVehicles.htm Second paragraph down under the first heading

Another http://www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au/node/197, check the second paragraph above the penalties section, "The previous power to weight restrictions will continue to apply for drivers who obtained their probationary licences before 1 July 2007."

Like i said, i am just trying to find out if this is a legitimate loop hole in the law, becuase if so, then by law i will be protected.........Hopefully, unless a cop says "hey, this is the same engine found in the 350Z.......your gone" but as said, its a different car.

Edited March 1, 2009 by BIGGERDave

[R31Nismoid]

The power to weight ratio always existed - and still applies.

The post 2007 laws are in addition to the previous laws, they do not replace.

http://www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au/node/197

The previous power to weight restrictions will continue to apply for drivers who obtained their probationary licences before 1 July 2007.

There have been that many threads on this, and VicRoads the above is very clear on the website.

It is illegal - simple as that. End of the day, same as every other thread, its YOUR CHOICE to take the risk of loosing your license.

If you read and understand it, please confirm so i can lock this thread. We don't need yet another one on the subject.

[BIGGERDave]

The power to weight ratio always existed - and still applies.

The post 2007 laws are in addition to the previous laws, they do not replace.

http://www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au/node/197

There have been that many threads on this, and VicRoads the above is very clear on the website.

It is illegal - simple as that. End of the day, same as every other thread, its YOUR CHOICE to take the risk of loosing your license.

If you read and understand it, please confirm so i can lock this thread. We don't need yet another one on the subject.

Lock the thread...... i take it ur an admin, hhmmmmmm, well to clear things up looks like ill just have to call vic roads, nd as you've quoted, yes, ur correct the previouse power to weight restrictions still aplly, but only for people who obtained there liscense before july 1st, is it just me or has anyone read my evidence, or is it just me. Dw then, ill call vic roads and get it straight from the horses mouth, i just hope i dont get a shit opperator who isnt very expirienced.

thanx for the help guys

[BIGGERDave]

dont lock the thread, ill keep you posted as to my answer, cheers

[lukebaldan]

Dude it's really simple, if you got your license before 1st July 2007, you are still bound by the 125kw/tonne rule as well as 3.5L/1000Kg. You cannot drive the v35 legally. The new rules are even more restrictive.

Edited March 1, 2009 by lukebaldan

[bombtrack]

In addition to the law stating you are not allowed to drive a 350GT, most police will be tipped off to the illegality by the word Skyline plastered across your boot which most V35's have.

That may leave you with the option of scrubbing or an Infinity, but the former is expensive and the latter fairly rare (and may still have the skyline badging - I am unsure).

[BIGGERDave]

Hahaaaaaa, just rang Vic Roads and they confirmed that i was right about the fact that i dont incure the power to weight restrictions, in other words they dont imply to me, as i got my liscence last year. after july 1st.

Secondly, i was told that a nissan skyline V35 does apply with the new restrictions, as the opperator knew about the car i was talking about and even pulled up some government fact sheet they have in their records.

i talked to him about the fact that it has the same engine as the 350z, but it is heavier, due to a longer chassie, a rear cabin, extra materials etc etc.

He said it was abit of touch and go, and said that to be 100% sure i should send in my question in writting to the Vic Roads motor something something office in Kew, where their policy workers are, and who could clarify my inquiery.

Ill let you all know as to how it all goes, i doubt it'll work but there is always hope.

[R31Nismoid]

Lock the thread...... i take it ur an admin, hhmmmmmm, well to clear things up looks like ill just have to call vic roads, nd as you've quoted, yes, ur correct the previouse power to weight restrictions still aplly, but only for people who obtained there liscense before july 1st, is it just me or has anyone read my evidence, or is it just me. Dw then, ill call vic roads and get it straight from the horses mouth, i just hope i dont get a shit opperator who isnt very expirienced.

thanx for the help guys

No, you are unfortunately wrong.

The Power to weight ratio law has been there since the 1990's.

As it states for AFTER july 1 - "in additon", which means there was already P-2-W law that existed, they now apply with the ADDED listing from the Gov't Gazette.

VicRoads are wrong, as they often are, about their own laws.

[bluejeans]

kw - 206

curb weight - 1513kgs

power to weight - 136

The power to weight ratio exceeds 125 kw per tonne. By law P Plate drivers are unable to drive vehicles that exceed 125 kw per tonne.

[_Ryan_]

think of it this way, 206kw needs ~1650kg

only decent nissan you can drive is a 260RS(on old rules)

over p/w and a p'plate down=loss of licence, dont forget that

[tets]

my logic is, if u really like it and want it. then get it and worry about it later.

but then dont blame me when u go to court for raping a supermodel, but then it was worth it wasnt it?

[_Ryan_]

my logic is, if u really like it and want it. then get it and worry about it later.

but then dont blame me when u go to court for raping a supermodel, but then it was worth it wasnt it?

rape isnt funny