R31 Ti/silouette

[Ghostrider]

I know it's his call, but his converted R31 Silhouette in 10 years will be worth shit when the GTSII will be worth another 5 or 10K on current investment.

I'll stick to my poor R30 & keep watch on him in my rear view mirror. lol

Cheers, D

[mitchy_]

i dont understand what your saying... he can spend ~$3k on a normal 31, and then 10k on mods... or he can spend $15k on a gts, and then 10k on mods....

either way he has to spent the same amount on mods to get what he wants, so why does it matter if he buys a cheap 31 or a gts?

[Ghostrider]

Tell me Mitch,

Why would a somewhat intelligent human being want to bastardize a limited edition car?

A GTSII Skyline was 1 of just 200 built by Fred Gibson Motorsport and today is a sort after collectable that puts out something in the vicinity of 140kW n/a vs an R31 converted RB25DET with 186kW for same money.

Why would you bother????????

I bought an RB30E from a guy in Narellan that took it out of a GTS1 because he was putting in an RB20DET. I sold the head & go fast bits for more than I paid for the complete engine and the value of his GTS1 plummeted towards the sewer.

I'm not suggesting he modifies the GTSII, I'm suggesting he buys it in lieu and keeps it stock.

I'm sure if you spoke to CAZZ she might feel the same way.

Cheers, D

[mitchy_]

i see where you are coming from now, but i guess it all comes to do what HE wants, doesn't it?

i spent about the same as a GTS on my passage GT, but that has 400rwhp and plenty of other mods... i didn't want a stock GTS.

[cazz]

GTS2 is an investment at the moment, particularly a good one for under 10 kay, which is very achievable. GTS 1 for around 5-7 kay is even better value.

But you don't buy one of these to mod them, waste of money, and the future value of the car plummets. If you buy a GTS you should leave it stock, as all limited edition rev heads will tell you, it doesn't matter what sort of car it is, if it was ever limited edition, it will always be worth more stock standard than modified.

As lot's will say. if it's your car you can do what you want, and that's a fair call, but don;t buy a limited build if you want to modify it and try to recoup your cash.

Would suggest a nice silo and some mods, 25 or 26 even, mmmmmm. Don't even bother with a 20.

For 10 kay you will get a bloody nice coupe though, and there is kudos in the two door, even now.

Edited April 15, 2009 by cazz

[Ghostrider]

"For 10 kay you will get a bloody nice coupe though, and there is kudos in the two door, even now."

Good call CAZZ, I think I saw an HR31 on carsales for about that money and it has a silver top in it, which is a big improve over the red top RB20DET.

If you do a search on www.carsales.com.au Nissan Skyline GTS-X you will find it in ACT for 8.5K and more than half of his work is already done. It's dark grey/Gunmetal colour and has lots of mods already.

Better value than a poxed up R31 4 door in my opinion.

Cheers, D

[Factory 5]

ive seen that grey 2 door at the car show thingy the other week, it looked very very good, If i had wanted a R31 then that would be it... clean inside and out, good brakes, great seats, engine all in great nic

would cost you a HEAP more to build it to the spec it is now, so its good value for money thats for sure

i really liked it...

[Chris Rogers]

Instead of building a bastard, why not have something that will hold some value.

Try this on for size:

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/privat...&__Qpb=true

Cheers, D

it did actually. there is a white GTS1 on there as well. I didnt see the red GTS2.

[Chris Rogers]

I know it's his call, but his converted R31 Silhouette in 10 years will be worth shit when the GTSII will be worth another 5 or 10K on current investment.

I'll stick to my poor R30 & keep watch on him in my rear view mirror. lol

Cheers, D

like wise for a HR31 coupe. finding a decent one thats not half beaten up is the hard bit. as for finding a cheap one - yes I can if I wish. I work with enough compliance shopsso I can find a decent one if I tried.

I do see your point with a modded R31 vs GTS / GTS2. those are collectors cars and I have seen plenty of them go for way more than I thought.

here is the GTS1

http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/U...ckToResult=true

which I thought was cheap given what it is. granted its in original condition unlike the red one that was rebuilt.

[Chris Rogers]

i dont understand what your saying... he can spend ~$3k on a normal 31, and then 10k on mods... or he can spend $15k on a gts, and then 10k on mods....

either way he has to spent the same amount on mods to get what he wants, so why does it matter if he buys a cheap 31 or a gts?

true. I have a 88 subaru wagon that fits that point. I bought the car for $1k with a dead turbo engine (its a jap one the locals are carby only.) and proceeded to spend another $4k dropping a 2lt twin turbo with the associated brakes and electronics in it. at the end of it the car is still quicker than a STi and on the downside is that its only worth $2k and to fix it when it breaks will cost more than I paid for it initially ( the auto boxes in these are $3-4k to rebuild!).

Tell me Mitch,

Why would a somewhat intelligent human being want to bastardize a limited edition car?

A GTSII Skyline was 1 of just 200 built by Fred Gibson Motorsport and today is a sort after collectable that puts out something in the vicinity of 140kW n/a vs an R31 converted RB25DET with 186kW for same money.

Why would you bother????????

I bought an RB30E from a guy in Narellan that took it out of a GTS1 because he was putting in an RB20DET. I sold the head & go fast bits for more than I paid for the complete engine and the value of his GTS1 plummeted towards the sewer.

I'm not suggesting he modifies the GTSII, I'm suggesting he buys it in lieu and keeps it stock.

I'm sure if you spoke to CAZZ she might feel the same way.

Cheers, D

in the case of a factory special - no way in hell I would mod it and IF I did I would make damn sure it was reversible.

considering the R31 guys all aspire to own HR31 coupes I see these as a appreciating asset as well. probably not as much as the GTS cars but still worth more than the others IMO.

GTS2 is an investment at the moment, particularly a good one for under 10 kay, which is very achievable. GTS 1 for around 5-7 kay is even better value.

But you don't buy one of these to mod them, waste of money, and the future value of the car plummets. If you buy a GTS you should leave it stock, as all limited edition rev heads will tell you, it doesn't matter what sort of car it is, if it was ever limited edition, it will always be worth more stock standard than modified.

As lot's will say. if it's your car you can do what you want, and that's a fair call, but don;t buy a limited build if you want to modify it and try to recoup your cash.

Would suggest a nice silo and some mods, 25 or 26 even, mmmmmm. Don't even bother with a 20.

For 10 kay you will get a bloody nice coupe though, and there is kudos in the two door, even now.

exactly as I said above.

"For 10 kay you will get a bloody nice coupe though, and there is kudos in the two door, even now."

Good call CAZZ, I think I saw an HR31 on carsales for about that money and it has a silver top in it, which is a big improve over the red top RB20DET.

If you do a search on www.carsales.com.au Nissan Skyline GTS-X you will find it in ACT for 8.5K and more than half of his work is already done. It's dark grey/Gunmetal colour and has lots of mods already.

Better value than a poxed up R31 4 door in my opinion.

Cheers, D

or if you look on yahoo japan there is a HR31 GTS-R for 2.3Mil yen - old person owned and I dare say he knows what the car is. in the photos its dead straight and dead stock!

too much money for me. the white R31 GTS is about my market for a factory special. most cars I build are around the $6-7k mark built anyway.

[Ghostrider]

Chris,

That GTS1 in Trading Post really looks the goods.

My problem with 4 doors is the B pillar as I'm about 6'4 and just don't fit in them, so I have a KHR30.

If you want the good guts on anything GTS 1 or 2, PM CAZZ, she is the ants pants on them and wont lead you astray.

Cheers, D

[Chris Rogers]

yeah but for that sort of price you could get a nice r32 or pretty basic r33 which will handle a lot better and be more reliable and safe

depends. I see a lot of local 32/33s and most of them for that money have been thrashed within a inch of there life.

that said a mate of mine bought a 33 ex japan for VERY silly money (sub $3k AUD) and that car was in near new condition.

[Chris Rogers]

Chris,

That GTS1 in Trading Post really looks the goods.

My problem with 4 doors is the B pillar as I'm about 6'4 and just don't fit in them, so I have a KHR30.

If you want the good guts on anything GTS 1 or 2, PM CAZZ, she is the ants pants on them and wont lead you astray.

Cheers, D

that's the one I keep coming back to for some reason. its been there for about 2 weeks now. its quite tempting to toss the guy $5k, toss the trade plate on and drive it home.

I have noted that there is a register on R31 for these. wonder why people are actually selling these cars. I have noticed a trend both here and in japan where people are selling off their toys all of a sudden. (look on JSpec and note all the rally cars.)

as you can tell by my avatar I play with all sorts of JDM cars (that's a 2003 BZ11 cube) on a daily basis. most of which I'm tossed the keys to and told to modify with aftermarket gear.

the most common question I get from other skyline owners is do you own a skyline ( I work on a LOT of them) - I'd like to be able to say yes to that

Cazz,

comments on the white car are welcome

Edited April 15, 2009 by Chris Rogers

[cazz]

Cazz,

comments on the white car are welcome

This looks like a nice example, with the steering wheel even having the original horn pad still in good condition. Would be worth finding out if the owner still ahd the roiginal stereo.

Would be nice to see some more detailed pictures of the engine bay and interior, ie front seats.

At this price, it is certainly worthwhile considering, or even investing a small amount to go and have a look at it.

Refer to my first post about the problem areas for the cars, GTS's are not imune to rust under the guards, and this should be the first place you look for problems.

[mitchy_]

like wise for a HR31 coupe. finding a decent one thats not half beaten up is the hard bit. as for finding a cheap one - yes I can if I wish. I work with enough compliance shopsso I can find a decent one if I tried.

I do see your point with a modded R31 vs GTS / GTS2. those are collectors cars and I have seen plenty of them go for way more than I thought.

here is the GTS1

http://www.tradingpost.com.au/Automotive/U...ckToResult=true

which I thought was cheap given what it is. granted its in original condition unlike the red one that was rebuilt.

i paid quite a bit for my passage gt, more than a 32 or 33, but the condition inside and out is almost unbelievable for a 1989 car, and it's not your average 31 (i wanted a 4 door over a coupe)

[Chris Rogers]

I've noticed that those seem to go for silly money still.

[redlineR31]

not all 31 pplz want 2 doors ... some of them have freinds so need 4 doors .... ahahhaha

i definately agree its hard to find imports of that age that are good condition. But they definately do exist. I reccon decent Passage GT's pop up fairly regularly and they go a lot cheaper than the coupes.

I got mine for 5k a few years back and the interior is awesome. + its a wagon so super awesome .. lol

[SABBAi]

That's a nice looking GTS1. I don't know what it is with the GTS2, but that front end looks a little odd to me. I've always liked them though. I remember when SVD had a turbo intercooled GTS1 pace car at Bathurst....

I've been looking at importing a GT wagon. There was a neat one on Yahoo auctions that finished yesterday. It ended up seling for 190 thousand yen, meaning it would have ended up costing me 9k+ on the road for a RB20det auto... I'm looking to tow with what ever I find, so that was never going to cut it.

Brendan, does your Passage wagon have a solid or independant rear end??

[mitchy_]

not all 31 pplz want 2 doors ... some of them have freinds so need 4 doors .... ahahhaha

i definately agree its hard to find imports of that age that are good condition. But they definately do exist. I reccon decent Passage GT's pop up fairly regularly and they go a lot cheaper than the coupes.

I got mine for 5k a few years back and the interior is awesome. + its a wagon so super awesome .. lol

i prefer the look of the 4 doors too.. the coupe's look funny with such a long rear end, whereas the 4 door seems to suit the shape nicer.

not that mine has much room to utilise the 2 rear doors.. the bucket seats take up most of the rear legroom