t_revz Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Just got this today. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/261613-hypergear-turbochargers-and-high-flow-services-development-thread/page/303/#findComment-6543161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_revz Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Haven't got digital copy of this yet, only photo Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/261613-hypergear-turbochargers-and-high-flow-services-development-thread/page/303/#findComment-6543199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypergear Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 It looks either wastegate is unsealed or VCT is not activated. Ask Sean to change the VCT settings through the ECU and see it response to power curve. 2ndly the actuator has to be removed for turbo installation and in many cases the pre-load was let by the operating mechanic (many believed they shouldn't be tensioned) or not been corrected adjusted after installation. Drop the cat, have a play with the EBC, that dip and claiming back up shape looks strange. To get around the 280rwkws mark it needs to hold around 20psi up top. Further more, pretty much all results came out of the test car are on aftermarket manifolds. I will see Trent next week to trail a larger turbine housing for the SS2, which should compensate a little working with stock exhaust manifold. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/261613-hypergear-turbochargers-and-high-flow-services-development-thread/page/303/#findComment-6543304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_revz Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 (edited) It looks either wastegate is unsealed or VCT is not activated. Ask Sean to change the VCT settings through the ECU and see it response to power curve. 2ndly the actuator has to be removed for turbo installation and in many cases the pre-load was let by the operating mechanic (many believed they shouldn't be tensioned) or not been corrected adjusted after installation. I installed turbo to engine, then engine into car. Actuator hasn't been adjusted. But i will check it Saturday morning And test Vct just to be sure. Might be able to log boost against Rpm then drop Cat and compare and see if it gains much response Edited September 20, 2012 by t_revz Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/261613-hypergear-turbochargers-and-high-flow-services-development-thread/page/303/#findComment-6543308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTScotT Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Thats honestly a pretty good graph man.. I can imagine you would want boost in as early as possible, and to hit the mark for power, but that is all in by 4k already. It definitely has the marks of a fast car, and I do believe the turbo is performing based on the shape of the curve. For a turbo thats capable of more power, to me it looks like its not running enough boost, or theres a flow restriction of some sort (other than the turbo). As its only a minor hold back on boost and your missing 10-20% power. Theres definitely more in it once you work out whats holding it back. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/261613-hypergear-turbochargers-and-high-flow-services-development-thread/page/303/#findComment-6543518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaldo Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Interesting that they didn't use any correction method, I've never had a run on Allstar's dyno without SAE being used. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/261613-hypergear-turbochargers-and-high-flow-services-development-thread/page/303/#findComment-6543530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLTS13 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Hi all I bought on of hypergears highflows around 6 months ago with the intention to put it on my track car, but as life likes to play its little games, the track car was stripped and sold. But I kept a few select bits to make myself a budget, reliable and responsive daily driven drifter A r33 4 door, so sticking to the budget I fitted a front mount cooler, a intank fuel pump, the highflow I had (r33 21U rear, 14psi actuator) and a microtech lt16 I had. Then took it in for a tune, stock injectors(remember budget build) and all So on a safe tune, to handle me thrashing it at the track The injectors had a little left in them at 300hp but 282rwhp (208kw) was the final tune For the very minimal cash outlay, I'm very very happy with the result Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/261613-hypergear-turbochargers-and-high-flow-services-development-thread/page/303/#findComment-6543540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dose Pipe Sutututu Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Good boost response and it's nice and flat! Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/261613-hypergear-turbochargers-and-high-flow-services-development-thread/page/303/#findComment-6543550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_revz Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Interesting that they didn't use any correction method, I've never had a run on Allstar's dyno without SAE being used. Make much difference? I see mine says 2000+4000 while simonr32's says 2000+3000. Googled last night but didn't find an answer. I know nothing about correction methods so have some studying to do Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/261613-hypergear-turbochargers-and-high-flow-services-development-thread/page/303/#findComment-6543558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_revz Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Thats honestly a pretty good graph man.. I can imagine you would want boost in as early as possible, and to hit the mark for power, but that is all in by 4k already. It definitely has the marks of a fast car, and I do believe the turbo is performing based on the shape of the curve. For a turbo thats capable of more power, to me it looks like its not running enough boost, or theres a flow restriction of some sort (other than the turbo). As its only a minor hold back on boost and your missing 10-20% power. Theres definitely more in it once you work out whats holding it back. Yeah I'm not too concerned. But would like to get the most out of it after spendibg so much time and money on it. Regardless I want to change exhaust from behind the dump, check all obvious things then wind more into it. I'm confident with more boost the power curve should be close to everyone else. But yeah it feels fast as for me after only driving a ford ranger and grand vitara for the last 3 yrs Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/261613-hypergear-turbochargers-and-high-flow-services-development-thread/page/303/#findComment-6543567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTScotT Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Hi all I bought on of hypergears highflows around 6 months ago with the intention to put it on my track car, but as life likes to play its little games, the track car was stripped and sold. But I kept a few select bits to make myself a budget, reliable and responsive daily driven drifter A r33 4 door, so sticking to the budget I fitted a front mount cooler, a intank fuel pump, the highflow I had (r33 21U rear, 14psi actuator) and a microtech lt16 I had. Then took it in for a tune, stock injectors(remember budget build) and all So on a safe tune, to handle me thrashing it at the track The injectors had a little left in them at 300hp but 282rwhp (208kw) was the final tune For the very minimal cash outlay, I'm very very happy with the result Great result for a very budget build! That turbo would be good for 18psi at least, so I can see it would really come alive with some injectors and more boost. Good work, I would be happy with the result of a nice reliable ultimately budget build like that. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/261613-hypergear-turbochargers-and-high-flow-services-development-thread/page/303/#findComment-6543579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLTS13 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Great result for a very budget build! That turbo would be good for 18psi at least, so I can see it would really come alive with some injectors and more boost. Good work, I would be happy with the result of a nice reliable ultimately budget build like that. Thanks mate, I did consider going the injector path but for the extra outlay I might just stick with this setup, it seems to drive so well and still has the balls to fry tyres rolling onto boost in lower gears. Either way I am in QR matsuri in 2 weeks so will see how good it goes Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/261613-hypergear-turbochargers-and-high-flow-services-development-thread/page/303/#findComment-6543588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dose Pipe Sutututu Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) Thanks mate, I did consider going the injector path but for the extra outlay I might just stick with this setup, it seems to drive so well and still has the balls to fry tyres rolling onto boost in lower gears. Either way I am in QR matsuri in 2 weeks so will see how good it goes a cheap option for injectors are S15 450cc injectors, they flow decent amount and can be had for next to nothing on silvia forums just read you have a GT-t, fail on my side lol Edited September 21, 2012 by johnnilicte Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/261613-hypergear-turbochargers-and-high-flow-services-development-thread/page/303/#findComment-6543603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLTS13 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 a cheap option for injectors are S15 450cc injectors, they flow decent amount and can be had for next to nothing on silvia forums just read you have a GT-t, fail on my side lol Not a fail on your side, fail by me, I should update that, I've had 4 different cars since the r34 4 door This is a series 1 r33 4 door Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/261613-hypergear-turbochargers-and-high-flow-services-development-thread/page/303/#findComment-6543610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTScotT Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 haha well there you go! S15 450s will get you up to 230kw man, easily. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/261613-hypergear-turbochargers-and-high-flow-services-development-thread/page/303/#findComment-6543619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dose Pipe Sutututu Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 haha well there you go! S15 450s will get you up to 230kw man, easily. even more, I was making 246 kW on my old shitbox with the duty cycle at around 70ish % Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/261613-hypergear-turbochargers-and-high-flow-services-development-thread/page/303/#findComment-6543622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTScotT Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I dont want to set the bar too high, it is a HF and is running a microguess. The microguess is the biggest holdup, to keep the tune safe I say discount about 20 from what it can do as a maximum. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/261613-hypergear-turbochargers-and-high-flow-services-development-thread/page/303/#findComment-6543632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaldo Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Make much difference? I see mine says 2000+4000 while simonr32's says 2000+3000. Googled last night but didn't find an answer. I know nothing about correction methods so have some studying to do I wouldn't have a clue myself, but from memory Simon said it adds 7% to the total power. As does their dyno apparently. So together my power figure is apparently 14% out. I think that's what it worked out to, the question was whether my 393rwhp figure on Allstar's dyno was accurate compared to my 318rwhp on Autoworx Dyno Dynamics a day later. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/261613-hypergear-turbochargers-and-high-flow-services-development-thread/page/303/#findComment-6543694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_revz Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) Gee something wierd there. In def not going on auto worx or I might cry lol Edited September 21, 2012 by t_revz Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/261613-hypergear-turbochargers-and-high-flow-services-development-thread/page/303/#findComment-6543731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLTS13 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 haha well there you go! S15 450s will get you up to 230kw man, easily. Still a lot of effort for and extra 20 odd kw lol, but I will keep my eye out for some cheapies as I'm always on nissansilvia.com But I have my basic engine setup I wanted Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/261613-hypergear-turbochargers-and-high-flow-services-development-thread/page/303/#findComment-6543901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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