Hypergear Turbochargers and High flow Services Development thread

[Manuel Kasko]

1 hour ago, hypergear said:

Intercooler wise I will be voting for PWR 600x300x89mm and run that with Plazmaman's cooler piping kit. 

I can't fine those dimensions listed anywhere on their site. 
100% sure it's x89? 

[hypergear]

Yes. ring them up and ask for this cooler. 

[discopotato03]

Hi Tao , I will contact PWR today about their 600 x 300 x 89mm intercooler .

I went back looking for your posts and noted some dated 18.8.2016 (P 587) where you bought another R34 GTt and tried the typical Blitz return flow and a flawed Japanese exhaust . You were trying to prove to a customer that his setup was the issue not your turbocharger .

I think I'm ok exhaust wise and that 0.82 GT3076R is a reasonable thing but that Blitz return flow has to go and I just want to hear you say that your 3-400 RWKW results have been with PWRs intercoolers and generally Plasmaman pipes . I realize the higher numbers usually come from using E85 fuel . Don't suppose you have pics of these PWR Intercoolers ? Would you consider stocking them .

Also what do you recommend for an R33 as cold air intake . I have Scottys intake pipe plumbed into a Z32 AFM and the std air box and snorkel .

When everything else is "right" I'll look at turbos again .

Thanks in advance cheers Adrian .

 

[discopotato03]

Just off the phone to PWR , they don't know of any 600 x 300 x 89mm intercooler . They do an R33 GTR one Pn PWR 154641 600 x 265 x 81 rated at 1000 Hp . Has swept back 80mm in/out .

Tao is this the one you mean or do you have a different part number .

Cheers A .

 

 

Edited January 31, 2017 by discopotato03

[hypergear]

I advise everyone to obtain that cooler direct from PWR. I trailed it is because majority people whom complaint about a boost tapering issue had a blitz return flow cooler and so did mine. Yes I changed nothing but intercooler kits during those evaluations and PWR 600x300x89mm cooler has proven to be the best one out of the bunch. Once again my advise and test data on this matter is general. 

[Manuel Kasko]

9 minutes ago, hypergear said:

I advise everyone to obtain that cooler direct from PWR. I trailed it is because majority people whom complaint about a boost tapering issue had a blitz return flow cooler and so did mine. Yes I changed nothing but intercooler kits during those evaluations and PWR 600x300x89mm cooler has proven to be the best one out of the bunch. Once again my advise and test data on this matter is general. 

I think you missed the part where he said that PWR said over the phone that there is no cooler of that measurements 600x300x89mm
The closest they have is R33 GTR PWR 600 x 265 x 81

So there must be confusion with either your measurements or the one you have isn't PWR? 
Can you list the part number for your 600x300x89mm if you have one? 

[hypergear]

Part no. is PWI5813 exact measurement in my invoice is 600x300x81. 

[Manuel Kasko]

18 minutes ago, hypergear said:

Part no. is PWI5813 exact measurement in my invoice is 600x300x81. 

Awesome, thanks (Y) 
Looks like that one has 3" outlets as well, are you cooler pipes all 3" or do you run a reducer? 

[hypergear]

Yes outlets are in 3 inches reduced to 2.5

[discopotato03]

Alright have the diagrams from PWR so for those that want to know everything .

Core 600 x 81 mm

Tanks 93 width x 70 horizontal length , barbs 76.2 (3") 80mm center above base height .

Threaded mounts on 500mm centers top and bottom .

 

This is interesting in that it uses the same sized core as the 33GTR one but a little longer . The tanks are generic and the mountings much simpler than the model specific 33 GTR one . Think I'll go with one of these , thanks Tao .

[Manuel Kasko]

1 hour ago, discopotato03 said:

Think I'll go with one of these , thanks Tao .

Take photos of how it fits and before and after results
What's your current setup and power? 

[discopotato03]

OT , 270 on 98 .

[Cowboy1600]

I assume that cooler isn't return flow?  How to you plumb it in without cutting battery trays or anything?

 

[Manuel Kasko]

I'm curious as well how people are running their cooler pipes on the R34's 
My previous R33 had the hold under the battery tray, went over the pits here in Canberra and they didn't look twice at it. However I hear that NSW has more of a problem with it.

@hyper-gear have you done a PWR cooler with return flow piping or similar?
Maybe I could swap out the core and keep the same piping if that's not a restriction with the 90 degree bend. 

[vxsr33]

I'm curious as well how people are running their cooler pipes on the R34's 
My previous R33 had the hold under the battery tray, went over the pits here in Canberra and they didn't look twice at it. However I hear that NSW has more of a problem with it.
@hyper-gear have you done a PWR cooler with return flow piping or similar?
Maybe I could swap out the core and keep the same piping if that's not a restriction with the 90 degree bend. 

Im pretty sure the return flow piping is the main restriction, especially with that 180degree bend. Swapping the blitz core for the pwr core but retaining the piping probably wouldnt do much.

[Manuel Kasko]

On 8/18/2016 at 11:48 PM, hypergear said:

 

 

 

This is an perfect example of how important it is picking the right supporting and differences it makes to overall performance.

@vxsr33 This person managed 400rwkw using what looks like return flow cooling and custom CAI.
I love the look of this setup. 

 

Obviously not a blitz though, I think it was PWR 

[vxsr33]

@vxsr33 This person managed 400rwkw using what looks like return flow cooling and custom CAI.
I love the look of this setup. 
 
Obviously not a blitz though, I think it was PWR 

Yeah thats the thing that gets me, seems there is always a few cases of people getting great power with return flow coolers.

I assume that you can still make good power with a return flow, however unroadworthy piping just flows better and helps make power more easily.

That setup looks very stealth. I like it

[GTSBoy]

There's no reason why a return flow cooler couldn't have a decent end tank and pipe connection that flows properly.  None.  It may be the case that most (or maybe just many) of the common ones suck and there's a small number that behave themselves.

[Manuel Kasko]

2 hours ago, GTSBoy said:

There's no reason why a return flow cooler couldn't have a decent end tank and pipe connection that flows properly.  None.  It may be the case that most (or maybe just many) of the common ones suck and there's a small number that behave themselves.

I saw one that I think Scotty posted, pipes running under and up where your radiator hoses are, means it will have to be custom pipework but that's not too expensive. Especially if it eliminates the costs of cutting a hole under the battery tray.

I think later down the track I'll just buy a PWR intercooler and some custom pipework to run nice and short without cutting.

[kingtube69]

10 hours ago, Manuel Kasko said:

I saw one that I think Scotty posted, pipes running under and up where your radiator hoses are, means it will have to be custom pipework but that's not too expensive. Especially if it eliminates the costs of cutting a hole under the battery tray.

I think later down the track I'll just buy a PWR intercooler and some custom pipework to run nice and short without cutting.

You're right I messaged Trent about this on Facebook and he said it is definitely a normal cooler with custom return flow style piping for the stock appearance. Scotty also mentioned that it's possible to make a normal cooler work with standard pipes (no cutting) but it's custom and needs to route around the radiator. 

The other issue that Trent mentioned about this Stagea was that there was 5psi+ of back pressure and by simply removing the cat it picked up better response and more power. This is why Tao says if you're having power issues to drop the cat and that will tell you if its an issue also. 

Hope this helps get you in the right direction.