411rwhp from stock internals

[Steve]

JimX, would you feel happy if you car had 230rwkw but only felt like it had 200?

Or 300 but felt like it had 250 - there is a big difference either way

[Steve]

Originally posted by Steve-SST

I tuned this car and we have Dyno Dynamics in WA this week.I'm happy to let them run this car up while their here if it will stop all the knockers. The East coast needs to lift their game and match us West Ozzies!

Please do:), cant ask for better than that.

[GTS-t VSPEC]

JimX, Have to completely disagree with you there. We all know the dyno's in WA that read high, and all the performance guys avoid them as we want an accurate horsepower figure. If I was after a high figure there are other dyno's I could have gone to, but I know that SST is accurate.

[JimX]

Originally posted by Steve

JimX, would you feel happy if you car had 230rwkw but only felt like it had 200?

Or 300 but felt like it had 250 - there is a big difference either way

Steve - definitely not I'm one of the people who know better. I accept that my fuel system is leaning out at its current setup regardless of whether it's really 214rwkw or 200 or 240. The shape of my power curve is the thing I really want to fix, not the highest numbers.

When I get my PowerFC and put my 550's in I might get Unigroup to tune it, not because their dyno reads higher (I've got nfi of how high or low it reads) but because I've heard good things about their ability from other forum-goers, and their prices are reasonable. I won't care what the final figure is like, the shape of the power curve is much more important.

[JimX]

Originally posted by GTS-t VSPEC

JimX, Have to completely disagree with you there. We all know the dyno's in WA that read high, and all the performance guys avoid them as we want an accurate horsepower figure. If I was after a high figure there are other dyno's I could have gone to, but I know that SST is accurate.

Who do you mean by "we all"? Everyone in this forum, or everyone you know? Workshops that have "higher" dyno readings will often make a judgement call based on their customer base. If they get a lot of n00bers in, they may as well jack it up to get more customers in. Why else would they inflate their figures other than to try convincing people that they are a better workshop?

You or I may know better, but we are probably in the minority. People in general are stupid.

[Emre]

Posted by Jim X  

People in general are stupid.

Ha ha haaa... I love that, bit harsh but funny.

"Don't know better" may have sounded a little more unoffensive.

We've all been stupid at the start.

[Steve]

JimX, even Rev210, who generally doesnt like dyno power claims, agrees that rob77s car is making the power he claims, same dyno and tuner as did GTSt's car - so your WA dyno figures being jacked up theory is pretty much mute in this instance.

Even tuner of the car has offered to let the dyno dynamics rep run the car on the rollers.

On a different tack, did you Rob or Paul, get a run in at the 'plex last night?

[GTS-t VSPEC]

JimX, "We all" means all the SAU guys in WA, it doesn't take long to develope a rep as a dyno that reads high. We use dyno's based on the tuners competance, not on the power figure we get. I could go get 450rwhp on another dyno, but what does that prove?

If you read the whole thread then the basis of it wasn't the power figure, it's the fact that it was done on stock internals, stock injectors and stocks cams, which manages to prove a few people's theories wrong about the RB25's:D

[JimX]

I think you guys misunderstand me. I'm not implying that the dyno GTS-t VSPEC's car was done on reads "high". I am talking of why some workshops might jack up their figures. The question was asked "Why would they do it?" and I was answering that question, nothing more.

Emre, good call "don't know any better" it is then (although they will probably use their dyno printout to impress their "don't know any better" friends )

[Guest INASNT]

paul

lets put all this bs aside and get your car down the 1/4 and we will be able to see by your MPH how much power your car as.

[GTS-t VSPEC]

JimX, I think that may apply to kids wanting to impress there friends, but most Skyline owners that I know here in Perth aren't trying to jack up there figures, cause we'd all laugh if they took it to the dyno's where they do have high readings.

[GTS-t VSPEC]

INASNT, I'm not planning on running it until after PAS, and after the new diff is in. If it helps at all I did manage a 118mph pass with my RSM and g-sensor on the 360rwhp setup , and no I'm not interested in peoples opinion on how accurate this speed is.

[JimX]

Originally posted by GTS-t VSPEC

JimX, I think that may apply to kids wanting to impress there friends, but most Skyline owners that I know here in Perth aren't trying to jack up there figures, cause we'd all laugh if they took it to the dyno's where they do have high readings.

I'm not disputing that at all, in fact I wholeheartedly agree. What are you arguing with me about exactly? I really don't understand (and haven't for yours and Steve's past few posts)

[GTS-t VSPEC]

JimX, I wasn't disagrreing with you there, just saying that most of the dyno's we (SAU WA) tend to use in WA are the accurate ones, and we leave the high reading ones to Silvia owners who need all the help they can get:D

[Emre]

They are making sure everybody understands that SST dyno reads true.

As true as it maybe the point is that, others may be using a dyno that reads different, hence the reason the power figures may not make much sense. The shootout mode hasn't become the dominant form of quoting power figures yet.

EDIT : Infact, just a few months ago, it was frowned upon to quote power figures in shootout mode.

[JimX]

GTS-t VSPEC, glad we got that sorted

[Steve]

Originally posted by JimX

Who do you mean by "we all"? Everyone in this forum, or everyone you know? Workshops that have "higher" dyno readings will often make a judgement call based on their customer base. If they get a lot of n00bers in, they may as well jack it up to get more customers in. Why else would they inflate their figures other than to try convincing people that they are a better workshop?

You or I may know better, but we are probably in the minority. People in general are stupid.

JimX, I interpreted the vain of this message (wrongly) to be implying that the dyno readings quoted from SST to be jacked up to accomodate 'stupid' people.

[GTS-t VSPEC]

Emre, I agree, for some reason Shootout mode had a bad reputation, but when you look at it it is the more sensible option, as it also writes all the details of the correction factors used, so it makes it hard, although not impossible to cheat. It looks like the tide is starting to turn though, with most people asking there cars to be run in Shootout mode here in WA.

JimX :grouphug:

Although I'm trying to minimise the number of runs I'm doing at that power level with the stock internals, due to obvious reasons, I will if we can set it up get DD to run the car to verify it's accuracy.

[JimX]

Originally posted by Steve

JimX, I interpreted the vain of this message (wrongly) to be implying that the dyno readings quoted from SST to be jacked up to accomodate 'stupid' people.

Nah if I was going to do that I would have done it much earlier in the piece. I didn't think it was that because GTS-t VSPEC seemed pretty confident that the dyno was accurate enough to not have such a wide margin of error. And I know he's not "stupid" so until proven otherwise I am choosing to take his word for it

[GTS-t VSPEC]

Me stupid, that's umpossible:D