Brand new Wolf 3d plug in and Apexi avcr $1400

[Guest darrinspencer]

I own a 95 gtst

I can get these two for $1400 for both.

Wolf 3D v4 plug and play is in the box unused and

the Apexi avcr is near new 1 month old.

I would like peoples opinion on this set up.

Opposed to using a Power fc.

Can anyone provide proof that the Power Fc is better than the Wolf.

I have done a search on Wolf vs Fc and i am still confussed.

With the Wolf i can do away with the airflow meter.

Benifit or not?

Thanks for your comments

[meggala]

for that price I would be taking the package as the avcr is worth 700 alone so its valuaing the wolf @ 700 which is good.

cheers

[N I B]

Buy the Wolf only and use the standard boost controller as the 3D controls it well.

[Hicks]

Buy them both for $1400 and sell the avcr for $700.

[Jetdat]

not having an AFM, i.e using the map sensor is a benefit.

it means that intake air from the air filter to turbo is less restricted.

[Steve]

Originally posted by Jetdat

not having an AFM, i.e using the map sensor is a benefit.

it means that intake air from the air filter to turbo is less restricted.

where does the standard AFM start to pose a restriction?

I dont know who told you this, only time it would make much of a difference is when you start pumping out beyond the flow rate of an 80mm pipe (which is the size of the afm). Not too many cars around that do this.

If on the other hand you were to mention the tuning restrictions when your AFM reaches max voltage, that would be a different story.

Darrinspencer, best bet would be to find out who has been tuning cars with Wolf, what sort of results they have had on R33.

Unfortuneately, not every place in australia has the benefit of a tuner who knows how to get the best from a wolf system on R33, alot of places that I have spoken to here in SA dont want to touch it (seem to think its an ecu for rotaries) - whether that be from ignorance, past bad experiences or lack of product knowledge - I dont know, but I would not fit one unless a tuner that I respected told me he was comfortable getting good results with it.

At that price tough, it would be worth buying, you could sell off the ecu and AVCR and make a few dollars.

Either way, the AVCR is a good boost controller.

[N I B]

Its true , any ECU is only as good as the tuner so go to your local Wolf dealer for help.

[Steve]

Even our local (SA) wolf dealer had no idea about the functionality of the wolf ecu for R33:( sad.

He actually suggested I speak to SST if I had any questions about them, as he had no experience with them.

[Guest darrinspencer]

The Brisbane Wolf dealer has not done a 33 either.

Maybe Wolf should train their so called authorised dealers on what they are selling. Instead of practising on our cars at our expense.

[GTS-t VSPEC]

I have the Wolf in my car, and I have to say it is excellent, but without Steve to tune it then it wouldn't be anywhere near as good. For the price that is an excellent deal. I used to have an Blitz EBC controlling my boost, but now the Wolf does it, and it does a much better job:D

[Cubes]

Does Wolf have Closed Loop mode? And make use of the Knock sensor as the PowerFC does?

[N I B]

Wolf has closed loop but no knock sensor but it is only a light on the PFC any way. We are doing many plugins a week and have topped Wolf sales for many years world wide.

[Cubes]

What is one worth fitted?

[Steve]

How hard would it be to rig a scaled led display, or similar to indicate knock, using the standard knock sensors?

[Jetdat]

Hi Steve;

i was mainly refering to the old style AFMs which have the flap type arrangement and are very restrictive, the newer types obviously are not that restrictive, but i imagined there would be an advantage in ditching the AFM in favour of the map sensor in terms of better air flow?

Cheers

[Cubes]

Just looking through the Wolf 3D ecu software manual and it looks like a very well developed software package.

Its very easy to understand with its good layout.

It appears to only handle 4 injector banks.. Is this the total number of injectors that can individually be adjusted otherwise 2 may need to be dubbled up on the same bank/channel?!?!

[N I B]

I don't think peopleare aware that Wolf has dedicated ECUs as direct plugins or have ever looked thru the software.Theirs a lot of inputs and outputs you can use for what ever and it can drive most injectors without fitting risistors plus it can run two maps plus the boost control is not a big dollar option(STD)and the things got a life time warranty(Australian)plus its fast to tune on a PC.The only people that will hate this new range of ECUs is the Power FC dealers.

[Steve]

Originally posted by Steve-SST

I don't think peopleare aware that Wolf has dedicated ECUs as direct plugins or have ever looked thru the software.Theirs a lot of inputs and outputs you can use for what ever and it can drive most injectors without fitting risistors plus it can run two maps plus the boost control is not a big dollar option(STD)and the things got a life time warranty(Australian)plus its fast to tune on a PC.The only people that will hate this new range of ECUs is the Power FC dealers.

And the people stuck where no one wants to touch them:(

I contemplated changing to the wolf, but upon investigation here in SA, as already commented, even the local rep knew nothing of the capabilities of the ecu, couldnt tell me if it batch fired or had individual injector control (the website said it did batch fire - others on here have told me no), couldnt tell me what auxilliaries it had, if it could use afm or run closed loop. The tuners here that I have spoken to obviously have no experience with the V4 for skylines either, as they have to a one told me to avoid it and stick with power fc as a better option.

Jedat, I am pretty sure that the afm will flow 500bhp+ without significant restriction, I already have over 350rwhp and have resolution left on my Z32 afm.

[Jetdat]

Steve;

Thanks for the advice, as i never actually looked at my skyline AFM internally i imagined them to be somewhat like my Datsun AFM which is an older Nissan unit, and in the past i had gained HP by using a map sensor instead.

Cheers

[JimX]

Originally posted by Steve-SST

Wolf has closed loop but no knock sensor but it is only a light on the PFC any way.

"Only a light"? But that's all you need, surely? If there is no knock warning on the Wolf, that on its own would be enough to make me not want to get one. Are you adding in knock detection at some point? How much would it cost existing Wolf users to upgrade to be able to detect knock?

Being able to detect knock I think is one of the most important things for people wanting to do a home/road tune. Not everyone can afford to fork over several hundred bucks to re-tune everytime they do something minor to their car like increase the boost or put in a bigger dump pipe etc.