Sandown Anzac Day - Saturday 25th April

[Adz]

can i just say that for all you begginer guys in stock cars

be fricken carefull breaks dont work after one hard lap thats number one cause even the slow groups are pretty dam fast

(the last "slow" group i was in was the SAU group and the other boys were doing like 1.30's 1.40's)

i ran my car and its not standard at all around the 230kw mark apart from breaks and cheapo tyres and after a lap i was worried.

but that was on a wet track so i was pretty much treating it like a drift day

anyway i ran like 1.50's and higher and now i know that stock breaks ect dont suit a race track at all

also driver training sucks they drive your car and try to teach you the "race lines"

who doesnt know how to take a corner fast????

most of you wont like the training and you learn more just driving and watching others fly past you at 200km+ per hour down the back straight anyway

just my 2 cents

ill probably come and have a look but i wont be entering my car

till ive done a few more tweaks and thats just so i can stay safe on that track

Yeah your right about one thing if you dont put a set of good pads in and fluid in you should not go to the track. Its dangerous and will destroy your current breaks. Rubber is not as important especially if your just starting. In fact good rubber only increases the demand for better breaks. You will be surprised how far you can get on a good set of pads and fluid. I would recommend a break upgrade ie calipers and rotors for Sandown only when you start making more that 260 - 280kw and using semi comp rubber. Driving a car with std pads and fluid on a track is a skill that a professional would struggle with let alone an not a amateur.

You can never get enough training. I have always found that the more you learn the more you realise there is to learn. In fact that was actually said to me by Tomas Mezera a former racing driver even he feels ther is so much to still learn lol. A comment like "who doesn’t know how to go round a corner fast" is pretty silly and an attitude that is defiantly not ideal to better your driving. Sandown actually has many corners which have little secrets and you can make up a lot of time by the use of an instructor. A common mistake for new comers is turning in too early and not sacrificing the second last corner. Driver training sessions are also useful to get good advice about seating position, track etiquette, gear selection, braking techniques and stops you from forming bad habits.

"Who doesn’t know how to take a corner fast?" Me for one but it won’t stop me from learning.

I just had a look at the forecast and it not looking great. I will be nothing short of devastated if its a rain out.

[ujin]

i dun have brakes yet!

[Italiazr1]

ha ha no breaks is fun dont stress too much

just dont go over 220km/h like i did on the back straight cause you usually need em down there at that speed

i might just be a little biased against driver training

because you usually get someone that isnt experienced at all

i never got a professional driver or anything so i just reckon you can learn by yourself first

also the guy that took me for driver training BLEW my engine the first time i went at P.I

so i suppose that could be one reason why i wouldnt do it again

if you wanna learn some stuff sit in with someone else that is good and you will pick up just as much i reckon

if they had a pro it would be different and much more expensive

[Z1LLA]

LOL, really? I have done driver training plenty of times and i always learn something from people teaching me. Its like a golf coach, we all know how we should be swinging the club, but the faults are only obvious to those watching.

I will also add i have been in the passenger seat a lot doing Driver Training and i can honestly say, whilst i am no pro instructor, i feel i have been able to help every person. What is scary is the number of people that have no clue how to brake and get back through the gears and get into a corner.

I agree with Roy, done driver training a couple of times and found the sessions to be very helpful and made a difference to my times by a fair bit.

[Russman]

Hey mate. I doubt it was the driver trainers fault for your engine blowing. More likely to do with tune and maintenance.

If you are unsure, do the training. If you don't it may be the sort of thing that may hurt you or others and their property.

We should all be smart about it. We're not peter brock out there. Be realistic about your ability and drive accordingly.

[Belsil80]

I am the driver trainer that was driving your car when your motor let go.

The fact your motor was plumbed up so it couldnt breath would be the main reason it blew. it certianly was not being punished. Secondly, as you were well aware that was the rex clubs policy at the time and if you remember we even tried to get you driving instead of me. so while i understand the frustration of that day, its rediculous to point fingers. you should be glad it let go where it did and we didnt end up in a wall.

a little bit of history too, i have been an instructor at V8Race for 3 years and banked 4000 laps doing so. I was offered the job based purely based on my driving. so yes, while the driving instructors you get may not be 'professional', you are still getting a hell of a lot of knowleged and experience.

i for one like to get into cars with other people who have skill, or even watching others incar videos. there is always something new to learn.

oh, 1 more thing, i can guarantee you that a very small percentage of people know how to go fast around a corner.

[llama_au]

Driver Training is an excellent idea, I've done a few days with Driver Dynamics. I certainly don't think they're a waste of time, I learnt more from Wayne (RCHOO) than anyone else who has sat in my car.

[TTCorona]

Heh heh...

I think what Italiazr1 has pointed out in his post is probably the biggest cause for people crashing when trying to drive a car fast...

Attitude

Assuming that you are a good driver and know how to drive fast....

that sort of attitude is exactly what will get you into trouble.

"Assumption is the mother of all f u c k-ups" (write that down)

Racing round a track is a dangerous thing... there's no denying that...

but if you treat it with respect and are willing to learn then you will be much better off

If you just roll out there and think you are king dick behind the wheel from the start...

I think your only heading for a fall.. or a crash as it were....

Can i also just add....

break - To cause to separate into pieces suddenly or violently; smash.

brake - A device for slowing or stopping motion, as of a vehicle, especially by contact friction.

Just in case people didn't know the difference.

That is all...

[llama_au]

And if you forgot to brake you'll break something

[Russman]

break - To cause to separate into pieces suddenly or violently; smash.

brake - A device for slowing or stopping motion, as of a vehicle, especially by contact friction.

Just in case people didn't know the difference.

That is all...

Haha. It was annoying me too. My mother is a primary school teacher and always corrected my spelling. haha

[emts]

hmm ok, well I've done brake pad and fluid.

and the older I get the more I realize I don't know so in no disillusions as to my driving skill.

that said, I'm so looking forward to this weekend.

just curious if it is raining do we still race?

[shepo]

well said mat,

if its your first time, go in with your eyes open! start off nice and easy and work your way into it. in most cases you will find that you will learsn something new every lap. just try not to get ahead of yourself. be smart, be safe and know the cars limits, AND YOUR OWN!!!

another thing i found when i was first starting out was i followed someone (a professional driver) around for a number of laps at winton raceway. i knew in my mind that technically my car car could out handle the car that he was in at the time. so i just sat behind him following every move he made and every line he took around each corner. i was basically his shadow. after that session my lap times improved ten fold. i learnt so much by just following and observing that day, and it changed my whole approach.

just another little pointer i guess.

oh, and i was gonna say something about the whole "break" thing but you've done it for me mat

[Russman]

just curious if it is raining do we still race?

Yes and Sandown is crazy slippery when it's wet.

[Rowdyr32]

also the guy that took me for driver training BLEW my engine the first time i went at P.I

so i suppose that could be one reason why i wouldnt do it again

if you wanna learn some stuff sit in with someone else that is good and you will pick up just as much i reckon

If your silly enough to plumb the bov or some part of the presurized side of the inlet into the breather port if I remeber right causing the dip stick to blow out and pump oil out of the sump everywhere you are the only one to blame. The DT had nothing to do with it.

You didn't set a real good impression the first track day you came to with your cars problem and mates drinking alcohol in the pit area. Just take it a bit easy on here. You don't really know anybody or know the sport yet. Their all good guys and its a tight little club. Some guys know a fair bit if you ask the right people and questions. Some guys also talk shit. You'll work it out easily enough.

If you decide track is the go then your opinion on mods and the skill level involed in improving your time will dramatically change over your next few track days. If you did your fastest time you could do the first time out then the would be no challenge and there would be no need to go come back again because it would be boring in my opinion.

I've binned a gtr being young and silly at Sandown going hard to early in the day. Been there and done that and its not that fun afterwards.

[Roy]

Come on Anthony, i spun, hit the wall and still went quicker then a 1:50 Just get back out there and do some more laps, i agree that it never hurts to get comfortable in your car before you hand the keys over to someone else. Makes it more constructive for them too. But as bad as you felt when the engine let go, imagine how bad he felt. If you are giving the keys of your car to someone else make sure the car is ok. Thats the main reason i dont drivfe peoples car during DT, usually you can talk them throguh almost as quickly as when you show them

But to say DT is a waste etc i think sells it all a bit short. Hey if there is merit or you know of a way to make it better then i think the club would be all ears. New people look at things differently which cna be a great thing, but the balance is sometimes the older hands happen to know a few things too. Even if they are not full time, professional drivers.

And oh, by the way. Adam. Does Mezera do driver training up north? He still is my favourite driver. In his day back in Europe he was beating many of the big names of the 90s. I would love to do some training with him. If you have his details could you forward them to me? He is also just about the biggest legend in interviews and when i met him briefly years ago

[Downforce]

I just had a look at the forecast and it not looking great. I will be nothing short of devastated if its a rain out.

I hope it's not raining too. Melbourne weather sucks balls.

[phunky_monkey]

also driver training sucks they drive your car and try to teach you the "race lines"

who doesnt know how to take a corner fast????

most of you wont like the training and you learn more just driving and watching others fly past you at 200km+ per hour down the back straight anyway

That is simply the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in a motorsport thread on here.

Everyone else seems to have covered the response, but I just had to tell you. It's attitudes like that which cause accidents.

[shepo]

can we move on from this guys?...

[Roy]

Shepo, i disagree ..... with your sig.

Minis are for girls with great legs that shave. Semis are what i get when i am walking behind said lady in minis

[Russman]