Double standards

[R31Heaven]

I am trying to work out why Taxi's are aloud to have their meters sitting on the dash blocking their vision when us humble car enthuisiusts get pinged for having a gauge on a pillar mount not blocking our vission. Come on if one rule applies to us it should apply to all vehicles on the road, your thoughts.

[MattyB]

i spoke to a guy whom does all our vehical inspections and he told me that aslong as the item doesnt affect vision its fine.

another case of double standards. in wa from what i understand roll cages are a no no (i could be wrong here) but BHP have all the mine site vehicals fitted with role cages and no problem what so ever.

[R31Heaven]

The whole thing is, it is either legal or not, simple, it should not be open to interpretation from one person to another. If you went to court for being pinged for guages on the dash, couldnt you use the Taxi case in favor of your defence to prove that the meters in taxis are more of an obstruction of you view than pillar gauges?

[MattyB]

that probally wouldnt work. if in the rules it shows that you are in the right and you explain this to the officer, as much as he will love being told how to do his job (they dont TRUST ME) and he still persists to give a sticker then you could try sue him for damages. only if the sticker was removed with out any changes. but in order to be able to do this i would recommend you keep a copy of the adr rules in your car for such situation.

i have nothing against police, they do a hard job. but if they want to bend the rules they will get caught out for it one day.

[Warpspeed]

A dash mounted taxi meter is only going to limit your view of the bonnet. A pillar mounted gauge will reduce your vision of the road.

As far as I can see there is no double standard.

[Jay95R33]

R31heaven - you've been thinking the samething I've been thinking for ages !!

The amount of times I've been in a Taxi (or seen them drive past) and they are a short bloke that has problems seeing over the dash board let alone seeing over the damn computer that's screw to the top of the dash board is a joke.

Anyone who says that they don't block your vision to the road needs to have a good look at some of the taxis going around.

The other argument going around about A pillar gauges is that they will cause head injuries in a accident.

Well 'if' my head get's past the airbag, I would much prefer to headbutt a (rounded) plastic thing, than headbutt a metal framed square box that has a sheet metal shade cover on the top of it that's sticking out 3 inches !!!

Sadly there will always be one set of rules for some, and another set for others..

just my 2c, for what's it's worth

[R31Heaven]

Leave the pillar gauges off and Mount a small gaudge were Taxi's have it and see what Happens I was using the pillar gauge as an example. i bet you get defected. I hope you can see were I am comming from I dont have gauges on my car so I dont care, I just find it amusing.

[Cake]

Warpspeed, the taxi's i see have their screens, radio and shit mounted above the dash and up on the a-pillar, these things would obscure their vision of the road and be a safety hazard in an accident. I've seen these taxi drivers with their stuff hanging off the a-pillar and even using it as a pen holder with pens sticking out of it...

no double standards my ass. if these taxis werent allowed to have this stuff mounted on their a-pillar then i would see how its fair, but different rules for taxi drivers and regular cars on the road its stupid.

Originally posted by Jay95R33

Anyone who says that they don't block your vision to the road needs to have a good look at some of the taxis going around.

..yea-huh! :uh-huh:

[akeenan]

some taxis do have things on the apillar for example small clip boards with pens etc

[Warpspeed]

Yeah, come to think of it you are right. I have seen large clip boards and all sorts of crap mounted all over the place.

[Zensoku]

This is a grey area...

I have both the current ADR's CD-ROM and a copy of Queensland Transport's Vehicle Modification PDF. There is made no mention anywhere about pillar mounted gauges. But there is plenty of info on the legalities and requirements of bonnet scoops/projections/gauges. I'd be interested to know if this applies with gauges fitted inside a car.

[pentae]

The government is like someone making a joke, and even though the joke is funny, the person saying the joke is an idiot, so it just isnt funny no matter what way you look at it.

It amazes me that a police officer has a right to search your car because he has a feeling you might be storing drugs.. or he has a suspicion your car may be ""defective"" (also known by car enthusiasts as upgrades)

Before you know it we'll be 'patted down' on every corner and in shopping centers randomly for drugs and weapons by police.

[redline2003]

serious how many accidents occur do to having gauges on the pillar?? not one, its not like ur not gonna see the car on ur right due to a 5 inch taco. sadly the aust govt has taken it as their mission to protect the 'ignorant and uneducated' people by having all these regulations and laws(not only to cars).the govt thinks prople cant think for themselves, this is y there r no ads for smoking because people would b more tempted, softdrinks neva came out in blue as the colour blu was only used for kerosene etc, also why u see labels on toys saying ' not recommending for use by child unda 3 yrs' or 'contains potential chocking bits'. it happens in most capitalist countries as some regulation is obviosly neccessary, but i think australia may b the stricted in the whole world. in a truly free country the govt would hav no part in this.... i didnt say a place like this existed though

[redline2003]

o and dont forget actual p plates obstuct view too, and if they r mounted on the outside of the vehicle wouldnt they b a 'potential' hazard to pedistrains if an accident may occur, as are t wings, bonnet scoops and gauges on the outside of vehicle?? more double standards for yous to think bout

[Warpspeed]

Another thought, taxis are classed as commercial vehicles, not passenger cars.

Now commercial vehicles can get away with all sorts of special requirements, things like garbage trucks and road sweepers with left hand drive, mobile cranes with all sorts of crap hanging right in front of the drivers face for example. There are not the same limitations with engine swaps either. You can even register a fork lift, and a lot of people do. So things like ground clearance, windscreens, and lighting do not apply either.

It may well be that taxis are exempt from some of the restrictions about mounting stuff inside the car, because it is "required" for a specific commercial purpose?

[R31Heaven]

Could be too, we will have to register our cars as commercial hey

[Warpspeed]

Yea, I wonder if you could register a slingshot dragster as a special purpose "commerial" vehicle ?

[Jimbo2000]

Originally posted by redline2003

o and dont forget actual p plates obstuct view too, and if they r mounted on the outside of the vehicle wouldnt they b a 'potential' hazard to pedistrains if an accident may occur, as are t wings, bonnet scoops and gauges on the outside of vehicle?? more double standards for yous to think bout

due, sticky p plates for windscreens ARE illegal.

just mount one gauge all the way at the bottom of the a pillar where it meets the dash, thats where i have mine, cops see it all the time and dont pull me over, i suppose they could still get you for it being a distraction from the road or the lights too bright or something though.

we will never win just try to minimise the damage

i like cops, some are just worse than others

[redline2003]

i dont think sticky p plates on windscreens are illegal in vic though

[dAVE]

i had my p plates in vic, where we have them on the inside, then moved to nsw and had my nsw plates on the inside and got given 2 fines on the same road within 30mins for having them on the inside (all up 4 points!).

Im sure in vic if i had them on the outside they would probably pull me over and give me a fine for that hey.. easy money