Let's Talk Piggy Backs

[Benzino33]

Hi everyone, ok here's my issue. I own an r33 s1 GTSt and I use it as a daily driver.

I took it to do a dyno run and it didnt make the power I wanted, the tuner said the car needed a remap, or an ecu then can have the timing and fuel tuned etc. He obviously recommmended the almighty Power FC so i started looking far and wide for one, realizing they were out of my price range.

A coupe of weeks back i found a Greddy Emanage blue for a real good price and picked it up, hasnt gone in my car at all, as i want to get it fully tuned by a mech first and do not wanna risk anythng if it has a bad tune on it. Now I want u to bear in mind that all I really wanna make is 200rwkw, any more woud be a bonus.

My car has a cat-back, hi flow turbo, getting a fmic this week, forged pistons and is running 10psi.

I mostly wanna tune my car for driveability, smoother idle,, that kinda stuff.

Now from what Ive seen on this and a couple of ther forums I visited about the emanage, everyone's giving it crap. I mean, I know the pfc is the much better option, but would I really need it if all I wanna make is 200kw?

This is as far as Im going when it comes to modifying the car. my tuner says 200 is possible as long as i got a boost controer, which i got yesterday. As I just mentioned, I dont wanna make much power, just get my car tuned well, coz the current setup has a poor tune (think the stock ecu got remapped ages ago and someone didnt do a good job).

So, am I right to with piggyback if I dnt wanna make too much power? I know, a pfc;s a lot better, but the emanage does some of what the pfc does too. I should b getting the tune done in the next 2 weeks, so i will post up dyno results.

Any info from u guys is appreciated.

Cheeerz

Ben

[1802NV]

Hey ben im no expert but i would think a frontndump pipe and high flow cat would greatly help as the stock items are restrictive. That said with those mods the 200 should be acheivable especially with the highflow turbo - i thought they were capable of 230?? im sure someone with more knowledge will shed some light.

cheers rich

[Benzino33]

Hey ben im no expert but i would think a frontndump pipe and high flow cat would greatly help as the stock items are restrictive. That said with those mods the 200 should be acheivable especially with the highflow turbo - i thought they were capable of 230?? im sure someone with more knowledge will shed some light.

cheers rich

hey Rich, wel I got the standard front at dump pipes on there, just the cat back exhaust has been done, yeah a lot of people said the cars can easily make 220 to 230 on that kinda setup, I just wanna know if the ecu Im using would be good for those mods..

thanks for the quick reply

cheers ben

[skyline_dimi64]

hey Rich, wel I got the standard front at dump pipes on there, just the cat back exhaust has been done, yeah a lot of people said the cars can easily make 220 to 230 on that kinda setup, I just wanna know if the ecu Im using would be good for those mods..

thanks for the quick reply

cheers ben

my friend has a greddy emanage he got same mods as u minus the hi flow but boosted it to 14psi for a year, no probs. runnin 209kw at the wheels

[Benzino33]

my friend has a greddy emanage he got same mods as u minus the hi flow but boosted it to 14psi for a year, no probs. runnin 209kw at the wheels

Okk sounds good, di he ever experience any problems with the ecu? I mean, Ive heard things about the emanage such as them melting your coil packs and stuff. Any one ese got the emanage?

[STATUS]

Okk sounds good, di he ever experience any problems with the ecu? I mean, Ive heard things about the emanage such as them melting your coil packs and stuff. Any one ese got the emanage?

this is cause people cant read instructions. The emanage blue will be fine, it does the same job as the Haltech interceptor etc.... but at half the price. I have a few std NA sr20's that have been turboed runing mid 200-230rwkw's with no dramas.

[Benzino33]

this is cause people cant read instructions. The emanage blue will be fine, it does the same job as the Haltech interceptor etc.... but at half the price. I have a few std NA sr20's that have been turboed runing mid 200-230rwkw's with no dramas.

Arightt, well im just tired of people saying its a bad choice and talking it down, Ive already decided to go with the emanage as its cost effective and does all i wanna do atm. thanks for the quick replies, guys

ben

[Beer Baron]

well I don't think everyone says it's a bad choice full stop. it's just a bad choice for certain situations/set-ups. for your set-up it's a good choice. for 3 reasons.

1. the no 1 plug-in replacement ECU is not currently available for your model (PFC)

2. you are only interested in limited modifications.

3. it's cheap and within your budget.

so for you it's great. but if I had my GTR, with built engine, cams, bigger AFMS, bigger injectors, larger twin turbos, larger fuel pump etc and there are Power FCs readily available for good money then of course I'd be mad to run an emanage blue.

but yeah, your type of application is exactly it's target market.

[Benzino33]

well I don't think everyone says it's a bad choice full stop. it's just a bad choice for certain situations/set-ups. for your set-up it's a good choice. for 3 reasons.

1. the no 1 plug-in replacement ECU is not currently available for your model (PFC)

2. you are only interested in limited modifications.

3. it's cheap and within your budget.

so for you it's great. but if I had my GTR, with built engine, cams, bigger AFMS, bigger injectors, larger twin turbos, larger fuel pump etc and there are Power FCs readily available for good money then of course I'd be mad to run an emanage blue.

but yeah, your type of application is exactly it's target market.

Thats exacty what i mean, though I have done an engine rebuild coz I did a bearing ast year. Its got forged internas but the injectors, AFm and cams are the original ones. I also changed my fue pump to a wabro 255l/h item when mine died. So im fine with the emanage as long it doesnt "bow up my engine" as so many pp have said. Im happy with the price I got and will post up a dyno sheet as soon as its done. cheers

[Beer Baron]

emanage can't and wont blow up your engine. the tuner might though... but yeah, providing the tuner knows what he's doing i'm sure you'll enjoy the results from the emanage. that goes for any ecu really. in general they are only as good as the guy tuning them. hardly any set-ups reach the limit of the ecu they are using.

I almost wish I had an emanage in the silvia so I could interface the profec E-01 I have with it... in fact, trent, what did you do with the emanage out of my silvia when you put the PFC in it?

oh, and I'm not sure who's tuning your car, but if you haven't settled on someone firmly yet then you should talk to "uras" on this forum. not many in aus know as much as he does about emanage and tuning them. I'd not hesitate in letting him tune mine that's for sure.

[Benzino33]

emanage can't and wont blow up your engine. the tuner might though... but yeah, providing the tuner knows what he's doing i'm sure you'll enjoy the results from the emanage. that goes for any ecu really. in general they are only as good as the guy tuning them. hardly any set-ups reach the limit of the ecu they are using.

I almost wish I had an emanage in the silvia so I could interface the profec E-01 I have with it... in fact, trent, what did you do with the emanage out of my silvia when you put the PFC in it?

oh, and I'm not sure who's tuning your car, but if you haven't settled on someone firmly yet then you should talk to "uras" on this forum. not many in aus know as much as he does about emanage and tuning them. I'd not hesitate in letting him tune mine that's for sure.

Lol Trent's tuning it.

[Beer Baron]

Lol Trent's tuning it.

haha, well ask him the bloody questions then! he knows more about emanage than he does about girls... :banana:

[Benzino33]

haha, well ask him the bloody questions then! he knows more about emanage than he does about girls...

haha ok cool, will do,, i just wanted to know wy peope gave the unit so much crap, but i kno i got notin to worry about now .thanks a lot everyone

Ben

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

trent will have your car @ 220-230rwkw with that setup mate just depends on when your afm gives in

[dnbosiris]

if you're just looking for 200rwkw...

i have the mods in my sig and made 195rwkw (i was looking for 200 as well)

safc was my lastest mod and it made a significant difference above 4000rpm

i would def say do the front/dump and hiflow cat as soon as you can though, your stock front/dump and cat are holding you back

Edited May 1, 2009 by dnbosiris

[wallas]

strange setup, woulda thought ud clear 200 easy with any ecu and a few supporting mods. let us know

[Benzino33]

strange setup, woulda thought ud clear 200 easy with any ecu and a few supporting mods. let us know

Yeah same, but i think somethin was done wrong with the ecu before i bought the car, I'll post up dyno sheets as soon as i get results,

cheers

[dori34]

id let trent tune my emanage any day but he ain't in sydney so i gotta settle for someone else lol.

good luck with it, post up the results when you're done

[skylinecouple]

Don't know about the E-manage but as far as piggy backs go I had a Unichip for a few years on my R33 and I sometimes wish I still had that same setup. Factory response and fuel economy with all safety built ins for protection. Had 215rwkws tuned by Croydon. If your looking for a front pipe I have two to choose from. One made by me and the other is a Just Jap unit that simply bolts up to your old system. Make sure you get the cooler in first though.

[Benzino33]

Don't know about the E-manage but as far as piggy backs go I had a Unichip for a few years on my R33 and I sometimes wish I still had that same setup. Factory response and fuel economy with all safety built ins for protection. Had 215rwkws tuned by Croydon. If your looking for a front pipe I have two to choose from. One made by me and the other is a Just Jap unit that simply bolts up to your old system. Make sure you get the cooler in first though.

Ah ok, I am considering a front pipe after the cooler is in.

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