I Want More Power

[reNEGaDe88]

But those LS3 Clubby's weight 1800kg+. with 317Kw and more torque than a telemarketer.

Power to weight is 170kw per tonne.

So a R33 with 1400kg would need 250kw, =~250rwhp. Which is double. Just traction issues for both. More for 33.

[BANGN]

I dont get why people are recomending WOLF 3d's, for years I have been told by alot of people they are peices of shit to tune

[Ehgriez]

your forgetting 317kw at the flywheel.

so thats ~240kw atw considering 25% drivetrain loss.

However the torque is alot more in an LS3 than your 25 thats for sure.

[Char]

yeah but wikipedia and red book says this stat and that stat and blah blah blah lol, power is a question of money, someone will always be faster.

a budget u've set of like $500-$1000 on a basically stock R33 isnt gonna get u far.

once u start upgrading things on ur car, its like pringles once u pop u cant stop.

[reNEGaDe88]

Well PFC's are discontinued. Great ECU's. But they are expensive 2nd hand and new from overseas. The wolf 3d v500 has huge capabilities and parameters. Top racing has been tuning them for ages. The ECU may have been average a few years ago, but that would have been V2 or V3 not V500.

The ecu's are Plugin Kits for Nissan R32,R33 GTST for $2,095. More people have gotten exposure to them in the last few years. So, its ur call.

[reNEGaDe88]

your forgetting 317kw at the flywheel.

so thats ~240kw atw considering 25% drivetrain loss.

However the torque is alot more in an LS3 than your 25 thats for sure.

Were u talking to me? 250kw at the flywheel is around 250hp at the rears, with tha 25% drivetrain loss's, and the conversion from HP to kW.

[Ehgriez]

Oh yeap, my mistake didnt see what you did there.

Converting from kw to hp half way through the post threw me off

[fletch63]

Oh yeap, my mistake didnt see what you did there.

Converting from kw to hp half way through the post threw me off

I'm more confused than ever now

If I may can I refine my original question now I have more info.

I reckon alot of guys have to me in my situation

I have a car that goes pretty quick

I just want it to go a bit quicker

I am sure I don't want an all out race car

just this one mod will do

I have about 180rwkw and want to go to 220-230 AND THAT WOULD BE IT !!!

I know it has to be a turbo upgrade and so an ECU upgrade (my stock ceramic is at its limit ...10-11lbs)

What can I do for $1500

will a piggy-back do if I am absolutely sure there will be NO MORE MODS

I have the exhuast, the intake and the FMIC

I know I won't need injectors for this HP (have the in tank 500HP pump tho)

I really don't want to go the dyno/tuning route if I don't have to....is this poss???....with piggy-back maybe????

But I will do it if I have to (maybe once!!!)

Pls help someone

[rev210]

I have about 180rwkw and want to go to 220-230 AND THAT WOULD BE IT !!!

Pls help someone

Why 220-230rwkw?

If all you want is a dyno readout then photoshop one.

On the other hand you can squeeze more 'go' out of your car but, sometimes there are compromises.

Tell us what it is you like about the car and exactly (as best you can) describe what you want the car to 'do' better. Set an actual goal.

This lessens the dollar waste and increases satisfaction because you have a design plan, not some half assed thought.

[hoony]

buy a boost controller and wind the phucker up

ping is power, every ulleh knows that

[fletch63]

Why 220-230rwkw?

If all you want is a dyno readout then photoshop one.

On the other hand you can squeeze more 'go' out of your car but, sometimes there are compromises.

Tell us what it is you like about the car and exactly (as best you can) describe what you want the car to 'do' better. Set an actual goal.

This lessens the dollar waste and increases satisfaction because you have a design plan, not some half assed thought.

I don't want a dyno readout at all !

As I said I don't even want to dyno my car

I like everything about how the 33 drives (my first turbo)

It is fast and I love the way it drives now

But I want that extra bit of grunt

Maybe 60-70 horses....just pull harder..a nice turbo hit and then pull hard

No burnouts or crap...

Does that answer your question????

[hoony]

^ how would you know how much power it's pushing without a dyno reading?

[fletch63]

^ how would you know how much power it's pushing without a dyno reading?

I said approx

What do you reckon ot would be ???

R33, 3", pod,cold air box and intake,boost up to 0.75bar,FMIC

If I'm much out pls tell me

[reNEGaDe88]

STFU, read below link

http://nissanskyline.6te.net/tuning_GTS25T.htm

[dnbosiris]

STFU, read below link

http://nissanskyline.6te.net/tuning_GTS25T.htm

SECONDED!!

that site is a friggin good no-nonsense resource..

but in short

a) as someone already said how are you gonna know how much power you will have unless you get it dyno'ed

b) if you highflow your turbo and increase the boost then the ecu is more than likely going to make the engine run rich so you're going to need some sort of ECU piggyback or replacement combined with a dyno tune to correct this.

Edited May 9, 2009 by dnbosiris

[jase444]

get the biggest drop in injectors you possibly can around 740cc with a bosch o44 and a nismo fuel reg with a good computer and u can run 15 psi into your stock turbo and push just a tad over 300rwhp alot of people will say its not possible and not safe but it has been done

[Black_CSR]

The Turbo will blow @ 15psi..

Just get NO's if u want that extra power :-)

[rev210]

I don't want a dyno readout at all !

As I said I don't even want to dyno my car

I like everything about how the 33 drives (my first turbo)

It is fast and I love the way it drives now

But I want that extra bit of grunt

Maybe 60-70 horses....just pull harder..a nice turbo hit and then pull hard

No burnouts or crap...

Does that answer your question????

Good.

Your budget is too small for a start.

You like the nature of a fairly stock car and why not.

Getting the extra power is however something that doesn't say why 60-70hp is the magic number.

Why 60-70hp? Well you could upgrade the car to give you this amount of addtional power without really impacting the way the car drives too badly.

A new 2530 sized turbo would do this and with minimal difference in lag. Assuming you also take care of the tyres and suspension setup you can stick the extra power down to the road better.

You will ideally want an upgraded ecu and fuel pump and a beefier clutch friction plate (the stock pressure plate pressure is quite fine).

That will keep everything you like about the car but, up the power and straight line speed.

You want to be making use of that on a track by the way for full benifit.

Edited May 10, 2009 by rev210

[R32 Driver]

get the biggest drop in injectors you possibly can around 740cc with a bosch o44 and a nismo fuel reg with a good computer and u can run 15 psi into your stock turbo and push just a tad over 300rwhp alot of people will say its not possible and not safe but it has been done

overkill for 300hp?

standard turbo will be out of puff before the injectors

and 15psi is to much

[Black_CSR]

I agree my Stock Turbo is already running out of puff on 13 to 13.5 Psi.. i made close to 300HP but it started losing power

after 6K.. but the power delivery was awesome on each gear Very Responsive