Motor Mag Gtrvsgt2

[Taso84]

actually triple post, dont know what happened there

Edited May 15, 2009 by Taso84

[Taso84]

I read the article, i thought it was pretty well written and as stated, the GTR was built and benchmarked against the 911 Turbo not the GT2.

In any case, the GT2 was found to have been quicker both in a straight line and around the track than the GTR. This is despite the superior ride quality and RWD of the GT2. All in all I think this shows what a magnificient piece of machinery the Porsche GT2 just is.

That said, where as most of us can only dream of ever owning a GT2, where as a 35 GTR is definately within the realm of possibility for many of us. And given how close the two cars actually were, this speaks volumes about what callibre of vehicle you are getting when you purchase a 35 GTR of $160G.

[N1GTR]

Guys the GT3 isnt twice the price of an R35, unless you got the R35's cheap

...just to clarify

[LSX-438]

Guys the GT3 isnt twice the price of an R35, unless you got the R35's cheap

...just to clarify

What's the base list price? around $250~$260k

i would hazard a guess about $300k by the time you get it on the road.

[Godcla]

What's the base list price? around $250~$260k

i would hazard a guess about $300k by the time you get it on the road.

http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2009/prest...r-late-09-13200

[Godcla]

yeah despite being a massive GTR fan and owning one, I would absolutely love a GT2, shame they price themselves out of the market though

Yea...They are nice cars....but don't you think that the days of high powered 2WD Cars are numbered....and rear engined ones at that.

Just plain fun most of the time but they can catch you out in a heartbeat. (Expensive Heartbeat)

[rehab2010]

I've read this Motor review - not bad, not bad.

Still I reckon GT-R can do 0-100km/h faster than 4.01sec - if in US they get 3.6-3.7 0-60mph, this should get it sub 4sec to a 100km/h, unless there is a gear change at 97km/h

[gp900]

Actually the GT-R was built to compete only with the 911 Turbo as a bench mark to beat. I says so in all its publicity and media releases. It is the only Turbo AWD sports car Porsche makes (apart from the Cayenne Turbo)

Now that the 911 Turbo has been comprehensivelly defeated, the media have trotted out the GT2. What next, an F1 car, Bugatti Veyron, the Space Shuttle? Eventually something has to be better than this Japanese upstart, hang the expense!

Read this article very carefully. It's very biased towards the Porsche and not very factual. It states, for instance, that GT-R has brake rotors 360mmF and 330mm R when the actual size is 380 F & R.

The journo could not even launch it properly. You lose at least 0.5 sec holding onto the brake and revving it the way he did. GT-R shuts down for a split second when you let go of the brake. You are supposed to use one foot only: from the brake straight on the gas.

I got my car last week and already did 700km. Even though it isn't fully run in, I can safely say it is the fastest and best handling car money can buy. You can spend 2,3 or 4 times the price but you won't get much more performance.

I've seen a very interesting pattern of results with GT-R reviews. Journos typically have no idea how to drive the car and are instantly deflated by the fact that you can't go fully sideways like you can with a VN commodore.

On the other hand professional racers (particularly those from a rally background) thoroughly enjoy the GT-R's dynamics and actually find the car to be quite a handfull at the limit. Both Millen in the US and Ordynski here in Oz have produced faster laps in the GT-R than the GT2 and both found the GT-R to have a shitload of dynamic presence at the limit.

It is a complete misconception that the GT-R drives itself or is easy to drive at the limit. That misconception comes to you courtesy of Journos who percieve tire smoke and sideways action to be an indication of real perfomance. Journos are simply not capable of taking the GT-R to 10/10ths. So don't expect great results or great reviews from them.

[Max_ST-R]

What's the base list price? around $250~$260k

i would hazard a guess about $300k by the time you get it on the road.

Absolutely!, Porsche's are magnificent cars, but people forget the OPTIONS and Porsche has more than anyone else. On top of that they are all hugely expensive. I have friends in BMW and Merc dealers and they always say a car costs X amount "plus options", no such thing as a Merc, BMW. Audi or Porsche without options. The base price looks pretty enticing until you realize you can easily tick $10,000-$30,000 worth of options.

The facelifted 911 GT3 has had an Australian price announced of $279,300 plus OPTIONS plus on road costs! $300,000 on road would be typical I think and that it approaching double the price of the GT-R (esp the 'std' spec). I still think the GT3 is an epic looking, sounding and I'm sure driving, supercar, but even this mighty machine is out of its league against the GT-R in most performance pararmeters.

[Godcla]

Absolutely!, Porsche's are magnificent cars, but people forget the OPTIONS and Porsche has more than anyone else. On top of that they are all hugely expensive. I have friends in BMW and Merc dealers and they always say a car costs X amount "plus options", no such thing as a Merc, BMW. Audi or Porsche without options. The base price looks pretty enticing until you realize you can easily tick $10,000-$30,000 worth of options.

The facelifted 911 GT3 has had an Australian price announced of $279,300 plus OPTIONS plus on road costs! $300,000 on road would be typical I think and that it approaching double the price of the GT-R (esp the 'std' spec). I still think the GT3 is an epic looking, sounding and I'm sure driving, supercar, but even this mighty machine is out of its league against the GT-R in most performance pararmeters.

Agree 100%.....Love my Porsche but it feels not just slow but also dated compared to my R35....

[SRS13]

When I read the article, I would have to agree that it did seem the journalist was in fact biased towards the Porsche... mainly because he actually liked the car more. The way he spoke about the Porsche told you that he loved it. Whether he had made up his mind before the test is another matter.

He was kicking the GTR a little bit. Things like, "let the car do all the work", "nothing for the driver to do other than to hang on". If this was a gripe he didn't present it as such giving the impression that he was indirectly having a go at the cars 'electronic' performance.

In a out and out performance test, the $160k GTR is out performed by a $447K Porsche - just.

In a Bang for Bucks test the $447k Porsche is killed by the $160K GTR.

Nissan fans have nothing to be upset about.

If only the Spec V was 200kg lighter and had 50kw more!!!!!!

[handbrake]

When I read the article, I would have to agree that it did seem the journalist was in fact biased towards the Porsche... mainly because he actually liked the car more. The way he spoke about the Porsche told you that he loved it. Whether he had made up his mind before the test is another matter.

He was kicking the GTR a little bit. Things like, "let the car do all the work", "nothing for the driver to do other than to hang on". If this was a gripe he didn't present it as such giving the impression that he was indirectly having a go at the cars 'electronic' performance.

In a out and out performance test, the $160k GTR is out performed by a $447K Porsche - just.

In a Bang for Bucks test the $447k Porsche is killed by the $160K GTR.

Nissan fans have nothing to be upset about.

If only the Spec V was 200kg lighter and had 50kw more!!!!!!

Should ask him to put up his cash and see what he goes for! it is easy to trivialise the value of the car when you aren't faced with the decision yourself of spending 160k versus 447k

[Sammy-qld]

Absolutely!, Porsche's are magnificent cars, but people forget the OPTIONS and Porsche has more than anyone else. On top of that they are all hugely expensive. I have friends in BMW and Merc dealers and they always say a car costs X amount "plus options", no such thing as a Merc, BMW. Audi or Porsche without options. The base price looks pretty enticing until you realize you can easily tick $10,000-$30,000 worth of options.

The facelifted 911 GT3 has had an Australian price announced of $279,300 plus OPTIONS plus on road costs! $300,000 on road would be typical I think and that it approaching double the price of the GT-R (esp the 'std' spec). I still think the GT3 is an epic looking, sounding and I'm sure driving, supercar, but even this mighty machine is out of its league against the GT-R in most performance pararmeters.

Yep you gotta remember the extra taxes, $300,000 on road easy for that GT3.

And the sad ass part of the GT3's. Most people dont' know the difference between the 911 (non turbo) $160,000 weak ass power and the big GT3. They look to similar.

There are just too many porches in the Gold Coast i'd never buy one there just so common here. Great car i'm sure but I prefur to have a unique car when spending this much money.

[skyline_man]

^ I would like to see a base 911 for $160k. Probably not in my lifetime! Last time i looked, they were retailing for around $220k - that's Spec-V money (If it does come to Australia) And the boffins at Motor mag still whinge that the spec-V is expensive. Let me see....base 911 or spec-V? hmmm..... very hard decision......NOT!

[ras1983]

What were the last couple of lines of the review?

[dazmo]

^ I would like to see a base 911 for $160k. Probably not in my lifetime! Last time i looked, they were retailing for around $220k - that's Spec-V money (If it does come to Australia) And the boffins at Motor mag still whinge that the spec-V is expensive. Let me see....base 911 or spec-V? hmmm..... very hard decision......NOT!

I doubt very much that the spec v will ever be available in australia and if it were it will be a lot mor than $220 000.00.

In japan you can buy a R35 premium model for around 8300 000.00 yen wich would work out to around $110 000.00 Aud at todays exchange rate wich nissan australia kindly stick a $40 000.00 mark up on plus on roads. To put it into perspective a spec v in japan will cost you 16000000.00 yen so lets say $220 000.00 aud now add on top of that nissans mark up + onroads lct etc and i think you would be looking at a price that would be closer to 300k if not more. While a R35GTR is excellent value for money at 150k the spec v suddenly doesnt seem like such a bargain considering the performance gap between the base premium model and the spec v.

[Max_ST-R]

I doubt very much that the spec v will ever be available in australia and if it were it will be a lot mor than $220 000.00.

In japan you can buy a R35 premium model for around 8300 000.00 yen wich would work out to around $110 000.00 Aud at todays exchange rate wich nissan australia kindly stick a $40 000.00 mark up on plus on roads. To put it into perspective a spec v in japan will cost you 16000000.00 yen so lets say $220 000.00 aud now add on top of that nissans mark up + onroads lct etc and i think you would be looking at a price that would be closer to 300k if not more. While a R35GTR is excellent value for money at 150k the spec v suddenly doesnt seem like such a bargain considering the performance gap between the base premium model and the spec v.

dazmo, from the reviews I've seen on the Spec V it seems to have quite a different personality to the regular GT-R, but I guess where the difference would be is over sustained laps on a track, I reckon after several laps the SPEC V would come into it's own. Even at GT3 money, it's still probably going to outgun a GT2, so it's still amazing value.

[Sammy-qld]

I doubt very much that the spec v will ever be available in australia and if it were it will be a lot mor than $220 000.00.

In japan you can buy a R35 premium model for around 8300 000.00 yen wich would work out to around $110 000.00 Aud at todays exchange rate wich nissan australia kindly stick a $40 000.00 mark up on plus on roads. To put it into perspective a spec v in japan will cost you 16000000.00 yen so lets say $220 000.00 aud now add on top of that nissans mark up + onroads lct etc and i think you would be looking at a price that would be closer to 300k if not more. While a R35GTR is excellent value for money at 150k the spec v suddenly doesnt seem like such a bargain considering the performance gap between the base premium model and the spec v.

Nissan doesn't up the price it's the 33% luxury tax + 10gst +3.5% State stamp duty + $800 rego on to. It's cause our govenment rapes us is why these Nissan R35's are so expensive.

[LSX-438]

Here's something for you guys

Guess what the basic price of the R35 is on my tax invoice..

$118K

Now that is EXCLUDING LCT, GST, DD & Rego

That's right.. fees, charges and taxes add about $50k to the price tag!!

I think it's pretty amazing that Nissan land the car here for less than $118k really. It's probably closer to $100~$110k considering there must be a markup in there.

Edited May 20, 2009 by LSX-438

[dazmo]

dazmo, from the reviews I've seen on the Spec V it seems to have quite a different personality to the regular GT-R, but I guess where the difference would be is over sustained laps on a track, I reckon after several laps the SPEC V would come into it's own. Even at GT3 money, it's still probably going to outgun a GT2, so it's still amazing value.

No doubt the spec v is a great car and will obviously be better than a base model 35 but the point i was trying to make is that i my opinion i doubt it would be worth double the price. As i am sure that you could by a base model add a few nice mods and match the performance of the spec v and still have a fair chunk of change left over.

Sammy-qld the point i was making concerning nissns mark up was more to highlight the priceing for the spec v if it were to ever be sold in australia. And i do agree that the cost is mainly due to government rapeing us but as LSX-438 has pointed out the basic price that he paid was $118000.00 that still leaves a substantial mark up for nissan considering the cars basic retail price in japan is 83 000 000.00 yen Approx 110k AUD and i am sure that nissan australia would get a fairly hefty discount on this and surely they would have locked in the price they are paying when negotiating their initial order wich would have been at a much better rate than the current exchange rate, shipping is reasonably cheap as it only costs around 2k AUD for a single car so I would also assume that nissan would also be getting a better rate on the shipping and as GST and DD are left to be paid by the consumer. I would still argue that there is a hefty margin in it for them. wich i suppose is fair enough as they are in the buisness of selling cars to make a profit. Regardless of all this the R35GTR is still the performance bargain of the decade at least for it's initial purchase. now servicing is a whole other story.