Power Fc

[engo]

most ...pointless ...thread...EVER. And I'm in it too, WOOHOO!

Seriously some of the crap that goes on SAU .. I don't know why the mods allow it. Calling an admin a "top bloke" ? Wow, big words. BAN BAN BAN. Clean this place up.

feel better buddy???

r31 niz... u claimed that i would have been better off with a stock ECU...which was a stupid claim because i would not get near what i would have got outta the microtech... i do agree now that microtech was a bastard and that i thought i had bugggered my car but now i see it was the ECU... never the less a stock ECU would have not been better for such a setup....

[The Dan]

Don't waste your time, he has the biggest pro workshop in QLD and knows everything. Just ask his mum

That's right buddy, the address is Unit 2/7 Angel Rd Stapylton.

Come down and I'll show you how it's done. Or are you happy to run around bad mouthing me like your f**khead mates?

Grow up child, you have much to learn in this game.

[The Dan]

The question was also directed towards 3lit3_32 since he is valiantly defending an ECU which is known to be very unpopular around here, I was interested in seeing more of what he had to say in their defence.

I wouldn't call it a valiant defense of that ECU.

It's always about making a point. The problem is, sometimes the point gets lost in translation.

I believe I read you were using a LT10S for your GTR? That is a bad choice due to the limitations of the outputs. An LT12 would have done better.

It is possible to wire them in correctly to handle the Attessa system but people rarely wire ECU's correctly to utilise ALL features etc.

I don't recommend Microtech ECU's and would never purchase one for a customer but my reasons don't include problems with cold start or over-fueling.

The point I am trying to make is that they can be used in any application if wired correctly, all supporting systems are 100%, the correct type of ECU is selected and getting a tune done by someone very familiar with the microtech system.

They are not the best and can be quite sloppy, have very inferior tuning software which is tacky and out of date.

Just sick of people who see a problem, blame the ECU and then start bagging them out. In reality, there is just as much of a chance that something else in the system is causing the problem or the ECU wasn't selected, wired or tuned correctly.

[bozodos]

That's fair, its actually in a GTS-4, running an RB25, but anyway, I wasn't sure if it was in fact possible to wire them into the ATTESSA, I've tried posting a thread on it, but have had no real luck. This is the number 1 reason I want to get rid of it.

I guess if I encountered someone who had a car which had a Microtech that didn't want to be non co-operative in cold starts and traffic, and didn't seem to run obscenely rich, then I'd be a bit less critical of them.

Seeing an existing thread here on the PowerFC, this has come up as a possible replacement, but due to my car appearing to have the original RB20 loom in place and the Microtech spliced in, then I was leaning towards using the RB20 ECU with a Nistune board, rather than the massive expense of a RB25 PowerFC, then having to get someone to wire it all in.

[STATUS]

I wouldn't call it a valiant defense of that ECU.

It's always about making a point. The problem is, sometimes the point gets lost in translation.

I believe I read you were using a LT10S for your GTR? That is a bad choice due to the limitations of the outputs. An LT12 would have done better.

It is possible to wire them in correctly to handle the Attessa system but people rarely wire ECU's correctly to utilise ALL features etc.

I don't recommend Microtech ECU's and would never purchase one for a customer but my reasons don't include problems with cold start or over-fueling.

The point I am trying to make is that they can be used in any application if wired correctly, all supporting systems are 100%, the correct type of ECU is selected and getting a tune done by someone very familiar with the microtech system.

They are not the best and can be quite sloppy, have very inferior tuning software which is tacky and out of date.

Just sick of people who see a problem, blame the ECU and then start bagging them out. In reality, there is just as much of a chance that something else in the system is causing the problem or the ECU wasn't selected, wired or tuned correctly.

that probably the best explanation around, im probably guilty of bagging microtech but we actually tune ALOT of them and have very happy customers running them but there are underlying limitations that refrain me from selling / recomending them (for a few 100 more you can get an outstanding stand alone). In fact microtech are probably the quickest to tune but the process is very backwards and coarse Upgrading to another ecu usually yields good results in areas most microtech users / punters tend to 'live' with or 'think' is normal for aftermarket ecu's.

I think the microtech reply to this post by a US microtech guys sums it all up..... http://microtechefi.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2207

Edited June 3, 2009 by URAS

[Adriano]

That link is gold

[Yeedogga]

*sigh* It's threads like this that make me wonder why IQ tests aren't mandatory for getting a drivers' licence, much less owning anything more 'dangerous' than a Toyota Echo.

[engo]

just chucked in the pfc then....

hand controler is so much fun

started first go and idled perfect

brings the cars dash lights back

bets thing i ever did...ever.... have not even driven it yet or tuned it and already sooo soohappy...

[Guilt-Toy]

just chucked in the pfc then....

hand controler is so much fun

started first go and idled perfect

brings the cars dash lights back

bets thing i ever did...ever.... have not even driven it yet or tuned it and already sooo soohappy...

ahhhhh you serious ? I thought the Microtech is a great ecu for a Skyline, you just need to know how to tune it properly!

I got lots to learn in this game, and still learning every day!

Enjoy the new car, it will feel like one once its tuned.

[infernooo]

I believe most aftermarket ECU's can potentially work very well, you just need to find one that has all the features you need, and one that you know your tuner has a lot of experience with !

[Swiper the Fox]

Or are you happy to run around bad mouthing me like your f**khead mates?

i hope Dan that post is not directed at me.

[The Dan]

i hope Dan that post is not directed at me.

Certainly not. I didn't know you guys were mates.

[Blitz]

Guilt-Toy and 3lit3 32.

The way you are both conducting yourselves on this forum is a disgrace, and you are very close to being banned.

Forum users are growing tired of the pathetic arguements between you both detracting from otherwise good and informative threads.

Pull your heads in.

[The Dan]

I believe most aftermarket ECU's can potentially work very well, you just need to find one that has all the features you need, and one that you know your tuner has a lot of experience with !

Exactly.

And have the system wired in correctly so it actually works.

Engo's comment: brings the cars dash lights back

Clearly had wiring issues. Put back the factory loom etc and it all starts working again.

And yes GT, you do have a lot to learn. This is a public forum, people express their opinions and offer their advice and knowledge. I never said you were wrong, I just said I have seen and known of many of this type of system that has been wired/tuned incorrectly and many that have been done correctly. The ones that are done correctly are the ones that run well and the customer is happy. The ones that are done incorrectly are the ones that run like crap and the customer bags them out. They are the ones you hear about on here or elsewhere on the internet.

Had engo's Microtech been a correct selection of an LT12S and wired and tuned correctly, he would not have had an issue. Everyone has their opinions and I don't judge you for yours. I can be bull headed with arguments but I see this stuff all the time, every day and I'm fairly passionate about things when I think I am right. Until I am proven wrong. Then I admit it.

You are the one who took it to the next level with cheap shots and personal attacks. And for your information, my mother died when I was 19 of cancer, I did work from home (which I own - don't knwo where you are getting your information from but Paul's comment makes everything make sense now) but have since moved to a workshop, I have been a mechanic for 10 years, I am qualified, I have attended Motec training, Auto electrical training, and have wired in or used nearly every automotive ECU system available. I am 6' 6" with blue eyes.

If there is anything else you would like to know about me, don't hesitate to send me a PM as I wouldn't want you to run around spreading misleading information.

[Bunta]

they are sexy blue eyes too ha ha

[The Dan]

Guilt-Toy and 3lit3 32.

The way you are both conducting yourselves on this forum is a disgrace, and you are very close to being banned.

Forum users are growing tired of the pathetic arguements between you both detracting from otherwise good and informative threads.

Pull your heads in.

Sorry, was typing the last comment as you posted this.

I am only trying to give information to people who are incorrectly informed. I don't see the point in having a discussion about something unless all points are brought to the table. I haven't been arguing with Guilt Toy, he has been attacking me and I retaliated....once.

[Swiper the Fox]

Cool...cause i thought we were had left all that sh1t behind. Guilt-Toy has no mates so i wonder who you were refering to??

good luck with the new shop.

Guilt-Toy is moving overseas to start a new venture in Europe.

so good luck both of you.

Neither of you are as good as me so why bother.

Edited June 10, 2009 by DiRTgarage

[engo]

Exactly.

And have the system wired in correctly so it actually works.

Engo's comment: brings the cars dash lights back

Clearly had wiring issues. Put back the factory loom etc and it all starts working again.

And yes GT, you do have a lot to learn. This is a public forum, people express their opinions and offer their advice and knowledge. I never said you were wrong, I just said I have seen and known of many of this type of system that has been wired/tuned incorrectly and many that have been done correctly. The ones that are done correctly are the ones that run well and the customer is happy. The ones that are done incorrectly are the ones that run like crap and the customer bags them out. They are the ones you hear about on here or elsewhere on the internet.

Had engo's Microtech been a correct selection of an LT12S and wired and tuned correctly, he would not have had an issue. Everyone has their opinions and I don't judge you for yours. I can be bull headed with arguments but I see this stuff all the time, every day and I'm fairly passionate about things when I think I am right. Until I am proven wrong. Then I admit it.

You are the one who took it to the next level with cheap shots and personal attacks. And for your information, my mother died when I was 19 of cancer, I did work from home (which I own - don't knwo where you are getting your information from but Paul's comment makes everything make sense now) but have since moved to a workshop, I have been a mechanic for 10 years, I am qualified, I have attended Motec training, Auto electrical training, and have wired in or used nearly every automotive ECU system available. I am 6' 6" with blue eyes.

If there is anything else you would like to know about me, don't hesitate to send me a PM as I wouldn't want you to run around spreading misleading information.

microtech doesnt bring up the engine check light or the exaust temp light...wired correctly.... factory harness with a genuin microtech adapter... wired all fine if you ask me.... soon as power fc went in...boom..all up.. cold start perfect.... dude just admit that for a everyday driver microtech just doesnt pull it.... i had one for 2 years man.. and paid lots for tuning ect... the cold morning with my foot on the accelerator... but fo4r a serious race car...yeah woulodnt be to bad.....

[bozodos]

lol @ that link. Their customer service number also sucks. This thread has been informative in many ways, I also like to see more than one side of an argument.

BTW how is the LTX-12 superior to the LT10S in a Skyline, and is it really that bad that I'd be better off replacing it for when I do get a retune, (if so is there any other MAP sensor based ECU's around that price? both the PowerFC and Vipec options seem rather dear), or would an RB20 remap tune be better for my modest power aims of 250-270rwkw?

Engo, I think that the point that 3lit3 32 and URAS are making is that the Microtech ECU's can be made to be co-operative, but that due to the inherent limitations of them, they are more prone to have problems.

Edited June 10, 2009 by bozodos

[The Dan]

lol @ that link. Their customer service number also sucks. This thread has been informative in many ways, I also like to see more than one side of an argument.

BTW how is the LTX-12 superior to the LT10S in a Skyline, and is it really that bad that I'd be better off replacing it for when I do get a retune, (if so is there any other MAP sensor based ECU's around that price? both the PowerFC and Vipec options seem rather dear), or would an RB20 remap tune be better for my modest power aims of 250-270rwkw?

Engo, I think that the point that 3lit3 32 and URAS are making is that the Microtech ECU's can be made to be co-operative, but that due to the inherent limitations of them, they are more prone to have problems.

The LT12 is only superior in the number of outputs available. In an LT10 you only have 4 injector drivers and 3 ignition outputs. This means you have to run the injectors in batch fire (2 injectors fire at the same time) and run wasted spark or get their ignition multiplier that expands the 3 signals to 6.

With the LT12 they have 6 injector outputs so you can run them sequentially. They also have more auxilary outputs for controlling other functions.

I have a GTS4 here that runs the LT12S and the customer swears by it running perfectly with the Attessa system. He did have to get Microtech to customise it to work though. As with anything, it can be made to work. Just needs the right thinking behind it.

I'm glad engo loves the way the car runs now with the Power FC, after all, that's the only thing that matters...that he's happy with it. I'm sure, given the oportunity, I could wire the LT12 to his car and show him they aren't that bad, but it wouldn't change anything. Microtech have a bad name for their stuff already and previous comments on support are correct too, you can't get in contact with them...ever.