Registration & Legal Implications (if Any)

[Marko R1]

hi guys,

ive performed a search & couldnt find my answer but did notice that 'MintR33' has an rb30 in his r33gtst as below:

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Re...40&start=40

as some would know ive dropped an rb26/30 in my r32gtr which is just about ready to go & my registration renewal date is due later this year...i need to know what is required in order for my larger capacity engine to be legal for NSW?

i.e. do i need an engineers cert & if so who is recommended in NSW (i live in sydney).

regards

marko

[Bliksem]

I got an engineers certificate a blue slip, and filled out a change of records form. I didnt have to provide any emissions reports etc as others have said, but the engineer did want to see that all the factory emissions gear was connected. I also showed him the sizes of the brakes which other vehicles fitted with the RB30 come with from factory (R31 skyline etc). The R33 has bigger brakes than those so it wasnt an issue, I found it to be a very smooth excersize.

[Marko R1]

do u mind telling me who your engineer was? sounds like a good guy

[Bliksem]

Unlikely you will drive all the way out to Griffith NSW to use him but I'll PM you the name

[Marko R1]

got ur pm - thanks

yeah thats a bit of a drive from sydney

is there any other engineer closer to syd that is recommended?

[GT-RZ]

sounds like your engineer didn't realise what was infront of him. you can pull the wool over peoples eyes and have them believe its a RB30et because they don't always realise the difference. i was told by the authorities here when i asked about the hybrid engine RB30DET and they said it's not possible to register as it was never made from the factory and there is zero information on it "torque, emissions etc etc"

but if you can get it registered with an RB30et then they will most likely never make the connection.

INFACT the first thing he said when i said hybrid engine was "what ? an rb30 that runs of hydrogen and petrol or?"

[Bliksem]

No I didnt pull any wool over his eyes. He was told exactly what it was, and the answer I got was aslong as the RB25DET emissions gear was connected it would be ok. It was basically treated as a stroked RB25 rather trying to re-invent the wheel and pass it as a RB30DET, which doesnt exist in the eyes of the RTA

[GT-RZ]

you were lucky, not so here. engine number is quite obviously Rb30 and they don't allow it. They even cracked down on RB30-et conversions. before they never new the difference in number coding, now they do and now it must be a RB30et genuine block.

not that i care. same outcome for me, just lest costing for legalities

[Sydneykid]

When you buy a new block from Nissan it doesn't have an engine number. The idea is that if you bought a new block then you must be rebuilding your current engine, so you simply transfer the engine number from the "old" block to the "new" block. My "new" block is just a little bit taller than my old "block".

Cheers

Gary

[TTT]

^^^ Holly crap.. you're back...!!

there's been some terrible goings on around here about you while you were gone.

welcome back Cotter!

[allthewaytotheskyline]

he is back aye...lol from a sabbatical!

[R31Nismoid]

When you buy a new block from Nissan it doesn't have an engine number. The idea is that if you bought a new block then you must be rebuilding your current engine, so you simply transfer the engine number from the "old" block to the "new" block. My "new" block is just a little bit taller than my old "block".

Cheers

Gary

Ye but usually you have to provide a destruction certificate for the old block to re-stamp the new one.

Its highly illegal to just re-stamp.

Also later down the track, if you happen to sell it or something... someone dob's you in... you're in the deep shit.

Just follow the other thread, Guilt-T posted the info, mirror it and be on your way as its all been answered before

[Marko R1]

which thread are u referring to r31nismoid?

[Sydneykid]

Ye but usually you have to provide a destruction certificate for the old block to re-stamp the new one.

Is that a Victoria only rule? I have never heard of a destruction certificate for a block, we have similar for whole written off cars, but not blocks. Chassis numbers are on the write off register, not engine numbers.

Just in case I do have picture of an RB block with a big hole in the side, it's an RB26 out of one of the old race cars, but you can't tell from the picture, it's just an RB could be any one. The engineers seem to like that evidence.

Its highly illegal to just re-stamp.

Yes it is. But stamping a "new" block isn't illegal, it's done every day. My local Mitsubishi dealer did one last week when they replaced a faulty block in my neighbour's Pajero. He was scared about resale value until I showed him the same engine number on the new block.

Also later down the track, if you happen to sell it or something... someone dob's you in... you're in the deep shit.

Depends on who you tell and the old "I bought it like that" for used cars is hard to disprove.

Just follow the other thread, Guilt-T posted the info, mirror it and be on your way as its all been answered before

There is no doubt that it is better to do it properly, I would always advocate that, but sometimes it's just not possible. Especially when using an earlier numbered block, they can get very touchy about it and you can't undo what you have already done with Government Departments. Sometimes you have no choice but to play the game, like everyone else.

Cheers

Gary

[R31Nismoid]

Maybe its a Vic law - or something - but im certain you cant just go around restamping blocks because you feel like it... imagine the trouble it would cause and the amount of dodgy shit that would go on.

To a Gov't department a block number is just that, a number. They don't know what model of car its from.

marko - there was a legalities thread in this very section - its probably on page 2.

[Marko R1]

thanks - i'll check it out

[GT-RZ]

I know in SA you must have your block stamped by the ****** at regency. but then if you happen to have access to the correct style stamps then it is up to you.

but really i wouldn't care anyway. my car on the papers has RB20 and it has an RB30. Not like the cops will or even know where to check for engine numbers. if you were to restamp id be worried about the cast 'RB30' on the side of the block too. so just leave it i think and forget about it.

currently my only option if i got defected is to swap the engines back over. which id rather do than return things to stock.

Edited June 16, 2009 by GT-RZ

[den001]

lol, gimmie 100bux ill re-stamp it for u

jokes

marko

if u r looking for a engineer, give autosport a buzz, fairly good on price considering what im doing, should be alot cheaper for your conversion

[Marko R1]

thanks dennis - come to think of it greg engineered my gemini back in the 90's

will they use an exhaust sniffer? im not running a cat

[Sydneykid]

Maybe its a Vic law - or something - but im certain you cant just go around restamping blocks because you feel like it... imagine the trouble it would cause and the amount of dodgy shit that would go on.

It's certainly different from State to State, the rules are different not to mention the interpretations, especially the Nazis from SA. They don't even follow the ADR's and they're National, supposedly anyway.

New blocks get stamped with old engine numbers everyday, it's not at all unusual.

To a Gov't department a block number is just that, a number. They don't know what model of car its from.

Unfortunately another one of those State differences, in NSW you can't simple stick a 1986 model engine into, say, a 1993 model car. They know the date of manufacture from the engine number, much easier for Commodore RB30's as they weren't available after 1989. No chance of sneaking one of those into a 1993 model. Even if all you are changing is the block, that's where the engine number is and so it is still a problem.

Sure it's always better to get the car engineered, but sometimes it simply not possible by the letter of the law. Plus some guys change their car so often that they would spend half their time and half their money with the engineer. Legally we should get our cars re-engineered everytime we tune them, how many people do that? On that subject, I know E85 has the engineers around here flumoxed, you can now take an engine that previously had no chance of passing EPA requirements, tune it on E85, use a simple cat and it passes easily. Makes a mockery of the "old" engine in "new" car rule, not that it had much credence anyway.

Cheers

Gary