Change In P-plate Laws Again?!

[KamikazeNinja34]

I agree for the most part - my friends and i did our p's under the old laws, one of my friends saw out her p's on a vs statesman v8 cuz of power to weight. And my parents still highly disapproved of my buying the GT-R for that exact reason - you won't be able to handle it, that thing will kill you, etc.

[Guest]

I came off my p's earlier this year, first car was a n/a silvia (great to get a feel of what imports are like), then bought a tt soarer (stacked it in 6 weeks), then got a r32 gts-t (had that for about 1.5 years), and just bought a r33 gtr about 3 weeks ago. I reckon that the problem isn't in the cars, its the driver education. I did a defensive driving course myself and attended road trauma seminars and to have your eyes opened up to the real life consequences of driving like a idiot changed everything for me.

The thing is, i dont think i've had any close calls with fast imports and anything over the 125kw/tonne rule. They have mainly been morons in older commodores or girls in rusted out little lasers/corollas etc.

Make the restriction on the year of the car, or the safety features while also educating drivers to a greater extent.

Anyway thats my 2c

[Birds]

I think they are hoping that in 3 years time your attitude towards driving has changed. Every guy I know myself included wanted to speed or drag at every traffic light when we first got our licences. And we did. This does wear off, or atleast cut down alot over time. P platers do know how to drive fast cars...there's no special skill to getting a car moving. It's all about the attitude though. A friend of mine on his P plates did so many burnouts, drifts, tail slides and handbrake turns that he became very experienced with bad situations. He could get himself out of a bad situation better than any full licenced driver I know. But his attitude was the thing that got him in those bad situations in the first place. In contrast a full licence driver, after 3 years of getting that stuff out of their system, is less likely to put themselves in that situation to begin with. Had my friend done it in a "more capable" car he probably wouldn't be alive today, because he did push that Magna to its limits and it was probably more forgiving than say a Clubsport. As for the slow 4 cylinder cars being sped in...I do agree with this...for even a Ford Laser can hit 160km/h...but fast cars do encourage this type of behaviour. No one really cares about making a Ford Laser go fast, you need 100% attitude to want to do that. You sit in a GTR and the inclination is to give it a fang. Afterall, most people buy a fast car to go fast...

[madbung]

God i wish the victorian government would just make things clear and see things clear like banning high power vehicles isn't always going to save lifes coz theres always idiots trying to drive a low power car harder. Which results in the crashes

So you're saying the only difference would be the speed @ which they die?

Choosing the lesser idiot : high velocity idiot v's low velocity idiot...Mmm there's something to ponder.

You might have kids killing themselves in "high" powered cars on their P plates, but now give it 4 years and it'd be fully licenced drivers killing themselves from lack of experience in controlling high powered cars, and you know what that means? Restrictions for everyone. I don't really mind having the restrictions to be honest though, I'm a bit pissed off that I can't drive a V8 even though majority of them suck ass anyways, the noise is what does it for me, these laws just give me another 4 years to save up and choose my choice of coffin on wheels

A couple of good examples as to why the road laws are written for the lowest denominator, you can't assume everyone is of high intelligence with excellent co-ordination can you?

No experience in controlling high powered cars but with a good grounding (4yrs) in car control ect against.. next to no experience at all and jumping behind the wheel of blah blah.

At 18-21y.o your capacity to make sensibly decisions is average at best, add some hormones, throw in some delusions of persecution.

Like magic.. 1 Australian teen. In summary I trust you f*kas less than I would a shark in my bath tub.

[KamikazeNinja34]

I think they are hoping that in 3 years time your attitude towards driving has changed. Every guy I know myself included wanted to speed or drag at every traffic light when we first got our licences. And we did. This does wear off, or atleast cut down alot over time. P platers do know how to drive fast cars...there's no special skill to getting a car moving. It's all about the attitude though. A friend of mine on his P plates did so many burnouts, drifts, tail slides and handbrake turns that he became very experienced with bad situations. He could get himself out of a bad situation better than any full licenced driver I know. But his attitude was the thing that got him in those bad situations in the first place. In contrast a full licence driver, after 3 years of getting that stuff out of their system, is less likely to put themselves in that situation to begin with. Had my friend done it in a "more capable" car he probably wouldn't be alive today, because he did push that Magna to its limits and it was probably more forgiving than say a Clubsport. As for the slow 4 cylinder cars being sped in...I do agree with this...for even a Ford Laser can hit 160km/h...but fast cars do encourage this type of behaviour. No one really cares about making a Ford Laser go fast, you need 100% attitude to want to do that. You sit in a GTR and the inclination is to give it a fang. Afterall, most people buy a fast car to go fast...

True. I still have trouble behaving in it =b but would definitely be a worse situation had I had it from the outset. We learn from mistakes...or try to. I've had a couple crashes in my pulsar that I like to think have made me more observant as a driver.

[Solid Snake]

So you're saying the only difference would be the speed @ which they die?

Choosing the lesser idiot : high velocity idiot v's low velocity idiot...Mmm there's something to ponder.

A couple of good examples as to why the road laws are written for the lowest denominator, you can't assume everyone is of high intelligence with excellent co-ordination can you?

No experience in controlling high powered cars but with a good grounding (4yrs) in car control ect against.. next to no experience at all and jumping behind the wheel of blah blah.

At 18-21y.o your capacity to make sensibly decisions is average at best, add some hormones, throw in some delusions of persecution.

Like magic.. 1 Australian teen. In summary I trust you f*kas less than I would a shark in my bath tub.

I wouldn't trust me either, haha. I'm sure when I get older, I'll change. Dad used to be the same, he s 49 now and drives a Mazda 323 and drives like a grandma, 1978, he was a VERY different person behind the wheel, so I've heard.

[Birds]

Very good you two, admitting past and current mistakes is the first step towards being a better driver. Now for the hard part

When you get to my age (not that I'm all that old), you'll drive around with a sense of moral arrogance and feeling like you're the only one who obeys the law...shaking your head at all the other drivers whilst simultaneously making your own mistakes. It's a better ego boost than winning a drag race on your P's!

(all that said, I swear I'm one of only fifty people who know the road rules in Victoria)

Compulsory licence re-testing! I'm all for it...so many would fail. Oh so many. So, so, so many.

[Solid Snake]

Very good you two, admitting past and current mistakes is the first step towards being a better driver. Now for the hard part

When you get to my age (not that I'm all that old), you'll drive around with a sense of moral arrogance and feeling like you're the only one who obeys the law...shaking your head at all the other drivers whilst simultaneously making your own mistakes. It's a better ego boost than winning a drag race on your P's!

(all that said, I swear I'm one of only fifty people who know the road rules in Victoria)

Compulsory licence re-testing! I'm all for it...so many would fail. Oh so many. So, so, so many.

Hell, I'm down for that, every year, should keep me on my toes.

[Birds]

Would keep everyone on their toes! Won't be implemented though - it would save too many lives at the cost of about half the TAC annual marketing budget...make politicians look smart...and too many people would fail it. One can dream though

Edited June 23, 2009 by Birds

[RxGTR]

i know most of you wont believe me but i agree to that re-licensing thing. Especially between P's and over 60's coz people seem to drive most dangerously around those ages.

You can flame me all you want tbh

[KamikazeNinja34]

^^^ disagreeing with the above. 18-60 while still not great does actually encompass the better drivers in the system. why cut off 'worst drivers' at 60? I can't even count the amount of times ive nearly been in an accident because a 70 or 80 year old cut me off. or just turned right...against oncoming traffic. Yes p platers are bad. But ive nearly been t boned or ran up the butt of a senior citizen more times than a p plater has ever bothered me.

[Birds]

He said between P's and over 60's Cass...think ya misread it

Though the "between" pat is a bit misleading...

[KamikazeNinja34]

He said between P's and over 60's Cass...think ya misread it

Though the "between" pat is a bit misleading...

Yeah I just reread it.

Feeling a lil sheepish. thanks for pointing that out though

[RxGTR]

no flames im happy