Please Use Common Sense When Buying Stuff

[paulr33]

hi guys

just a reminder to use common sense when buying things online

particuarly car parts at "cheap" prices and clear out sales online

one that came to my attention -> http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/R3...ie-t273165.html

looks like a big bunch of users have been scammed by this one

what form of payment protection is available?

can you pay at pickup of the item?

can you do it via paypal with insurance?

if buying interstate, particulary for large items or items worth serious $ - ie over $500 - can you buy it locally?

it makes it easier to pick up, inspect the goods, and hand over the $ when you have the item in your hand, instead of via post and bank xfer

how long has the guy been on the forums for? does he have feedback?

has anyone met the guy/girl in real life before? do they post often?

do you have a VALID reason for trusting the dude and volunteering your money to them on a trust basis?

i mean if BassJunky was sellin a pair of brake calipers he is fairly well known, lots of feedback etc

but if NismoR32Power was a new user who joined 2 months ago, why would you trust him? does anyone know him etc?

if someone wants bank xfer to sell something i would send $5 to secure the purchase and then hands the rest over

when you picked up the item. its just crazy to xfer $$$'s of dollars to random people and "hope" you get your parts

please be careful

[emts]

but I read it on the internet so it must be true..

Sarcasm aside Paul is 100% correct,

Would u give some guy down the pub your hard earned $$$$ with the idea he will turn up a week later with the goods?

COD, Face2Face and although I hate it paypal are your friends.

good luck

M

[Phantom32]

I have read thru the entire thread and there is alot of fact in what you are saying Paul, however, do you think it may be abit early to be pulling the trigger on this Carlos guy?

No doubt it is suspicious that he has access to so many rare items, but for himto meet up with a user face to face at the beginning and send a few parts off suggest that he may indeed have some merit that hasnow been compromised for whatever reason.

I'm not doubting you, you probably are right, however, i would want to crucifix someone until they are completely out in the open.

cheers

**EDIT** the only reason i raise doubt it because i am currently selling stripped parts from my RB25/32. To the ppl that paid via Online Banking, i intially gave them the incorrect account details (missing a digit) which wasted a week, then i was struck down with the flue the next week, which meant i couldn't dispatch the interstate goods for over 1.5weeks after the money was transferred. The goods have now all been posted and the face-to-face ppl have all been met with, but all i'm pointing out is that sometimes things get in the way, shit happens.

Although, in saying that, there should be clear communication with all parties involved the entire time, and no switching off phones or not returning correspondance - thats just shitty business practice and that's what causes ppl to panic.

cheers

[W0rp3D]

Would also be helpfull if the mods would pull there finger out of there arse and update the known bad traders list like they say they will, i know i reported one personally at the start of last year, have seen a few since but the list has not been update for over 2 years.

[WYTSKY]

out of interest, not that it is much consolation for sau members, the bloke that said he met the guy face to face and r31Nismoid said to pm him the details, I assume the details will be passed onto the police? what do the cops do from there? do they say they will get round to it in a few weeks and then the guy leaves town for a bit avoiding them? or whats the sort of process is there after a trade goes wrong?

so far I have been lucky, but would like to know incase...

Hope these members get their $ back.

Adam

[W0rp3D]

out of interest, not that it is much consolation for sau members, the bloke that said he met the guy face to face and r31Nismoid said to pm him the details, I assume the details will be passed onto the police? what do the cops do from there? do they say they will get round to it in a few weeks and then the guy leaves town for a bit avoiding them? or whats the sort of process is there after a trade goes wrong?

so far I have been lucky, but would like to know incase...

Hope these members get their $ back.

Adam

From my experience sau mods will not do shit, they also will not give you stuff like his ip address, unless you get the cops to contact them then nothing will be done.

[paulr33]

yeah well the mods can't give out the users IP address because that would violate privacy laws

you have no requirement to know the IP Address of the user is, so you won't get it

if you wanted it, you contact the police, identify what crime has occured, they will then source the relevant information necessary to identify who the real person is (ip address is one of them) and then investigate from there. you still wont be given the ip address, but they would use it to investigate and contact the relevant netblock owner to help the investigate and identify the source

[W0rp3D]

yeah well the mods can't give out the users IP address because that would violate privacy laws

you have no requirement to know the IP Address of the user is, so you won't get it

if you wanted it, you contact the police, identify what crime has occured, they will not do anything about it because they have chase up other people to get information and they dont care about petty crimes like this

Fixed.

[dave1200]

From my experience sau mods will not do shit, they also will not give you stuff like his ip address, unless you get the cops to contact them then nothing will be done.

Is it just me or are the mods and committee members getting a hard time of late? Particularly when this thread was started by a mod trying to help?

[W0rp3D]

Is it just me or are the mods and committee members getting a hard time of late? Particularly when this thread was started by a mod trying to help?

A question was asked and i replied with my experience, if you class that facts as giving them a hard time then i guess i am.

[R31Nismoid]

From my experience sau mods will not do shit, they also will not give you stuff like his ip address, unless you get the cops to contact them then nothing will be done.

lol.

We do all we are legally allowed to do. Simple as that.

Would you appreciate us giving out YOUR IP and other details based on someone's 'claim' that you are dodgy? Of course not.

Did you contact the police about your situation and have them contact us? No you did not.

What are you going to do with an IP address anyway?

No ISP is going to tell you who was using it and their details without the Police getting involved in the first place.

SAU has a legal responsibility. If you are too bitter to accept that then that is no-ones problem but your own. We constantly help people who HELP THEMSELVES (by going to the Police, which you have not done)

End of the day, if you get stung buying over the forums its your own stupidity.

Simple as that.

We try out best, but sometimes the stupid cannot be saved from themselves

[KamikazeNinja34]

lol.

We do all we are legally allowed to do. Simple as that.

Would you appreciate us giving out YOUR IP and other details based on someone's 'claim' that you are dodgy? Of course not.

Did you contact the police about your situation and have them contact us? No you did not.

What are you going to do with an IP address anyway?

No ISP is going to tell you who was using it and their details without the Police getting involved in the first place.

SAU has a legal responsibility. If you are too bitter to accept that then that is no-ones problem but your own. We constantly help people who HELP THEMSELVES (by going to the Police, which you have not done)

End of the day, if you get stung buying over the forums its your own stupidity.

Simple as that.

We try out best, but sometimes the stupid cannot be saved from themselves

well said.

[RBPOWA-(TJ)]

Ash for President!! . . . . .

oh wait that's right ......

[W0rp3D]

lol.

We do all we are legally allowed to do. Simple as that.

Would you appreciate us giving out YOUR IP and other details based on someone's 'claim' that you are dodgy? Of course not.

Did you contact the police about your situation and have them contact us? No you did not.

What are you going to do with an IP address anyway?

No ISP is going to tell you who was using it and their details without the Police getting involved in the first place.

SAU has a legal responsibility. If you are too bitter to accept that then that is no-ones problem but your own. We constantly help people who HELP THEMSELVES (by going to the Police, which you have not done)

End of the day, if you get stung buying over the forums its your own stupidity.

Simple as that.

We try out best, but sometimes the stupid cannot be saved from themselves

WOW, amazing how the many pm's i sent you after you locked the thread were never replied to but now you say that you help, and if i go to the cops what details do i give them to contact you, do i tell them to pm you on the forums, thats all options i had since you never replied to any of my pm's, you call that help??

And is the known bad traders thread also a form of help, because the guy that ripped me off still has not been added, not to mention a few others that have happened of late.

As with most people we know the risk when i transfer money, thats not the issue here, the issue is that you say you help when clearly in my case you ignored every attempt i made to make contact with you, if thats what you consider help then you should be working at an isp help desk.

Edited June 21, 2009 by W0rp3D

[R31Nismoid]

Again - until its satisfactorily proven in Admin's judgement, we don't just slap up people's details, being they are private.

I fully investigate most claims, some clearly are not worth my time of course, especially ones for small amounts as one has to prioritise to some extent...

Why you ask?

In the 'peak' Nick/Myself were getting at least 3-4 dodgy claims a week between us... 1 complaint can see me spend on average 3-4hrs of my own time investigating.

That's my own free time - to help you - because you were silly..

Just remember - i don't have to help you. There is nothing that says Admin is responsible for user stupidity. But i do help where/when i can as i always have.

Go to most forums, their Admin's don't care, they dont have a dodgy trader thread for user benefit, they don't warnings of BUYER BEWARE (which silly users still to this day, ignore).

Because you didn't contact Police - i probably ignored the PM's subsequent to the initial one to be honest.

I can only do so much when my hands are effectively tied when users DO NOT contact Police, that is all the issue comes down too.

You were stupid, you didn't do anything about it, then you complain.

If you PM'd me with a case #, officer's name, branch looking after the incident or anything relating to proof you'd actually gone to the Police... I'd give you my number so they can call me. Alternatively I'll call them. I've done so in the past, i will do so in the future.

[Birds]

Go to most forums, their Admin's don't care, they dont have a dodgy trader thread for user benefit, they don't warnings of BUYER BEWARE (which silly users still to this day, ignore).

Here's one I prepared earlier

http://www.clubcalibra.org/forum2/index.php?topic=3562.0

I do agree with Ash. If you are conducting a trade without some sort of formality or authenticity, you deserve to lose your money. A fool and his money are soon parted! In my experience the biggest cause of this problem is one's eagerness to obtain the item or to reserve it so no one else can get it before you. Need to be patient and find a medium through which to conduct your trade safely, e.g. eBay or real life. Ask the seller to post the item on eBay with a "buy it now" price. Even if you have to pay for their eBay fees it is worth the extra security.

It really is no different to giving a guy at the pub your money and expecting them to come back a week later...as someone aptly put it above. Even worse actually, given you haven't seen their face on here. There's not much the police can do anyway, even if you obtain their IP address. Nothing can stop someone from using an Internet cafe to do their scamming. And if you do happen to catch them, it's your word against theirs...they can simply deny the transaction existed or say that they already sent you the item.

[Downforce]

Here's one I prepared earlier

http://www.clubcalibra.org/forum2/index.php?topic=3562.0

I do agree with Ash. If you are conducting a trade without some sort of formality or authenticity, you deserve to lose your money. A fool and his money are soon parted! In my experience the biggest cause of this problem is one's eagerness to obtain the item or to reserve it so no one else can get it before you. Need to be patient and find a medium through which to conduct your trade safely, e.g. eBay or real life. Ask the seller to post the item on eBay with a "buy it now" price. Even if you have to pay for their eBay fees it is worth the extra security.

It really is no different to giving a guy at the pub your money and expecting them to come back a week later...as someone aptly put it above. Even worse actually, given you haven't seen their face on here. There's not much the police can do anyway, even if you obtain their IP address. Nothing can stop someone from using an Internet cafe to do their scamming. And if you do happen to catch them, it's your word against theirs...they can simply deny the transaction existed or say that they already sent you the item.

Ebay doesn't offer extra security per se, it is the payment method which should be the focus here. Paypal offers 'buyer protection' for purchases on items bought on ebay. However if you buy on eBay, and deposit the money straight into the sellers account, ebay don't cover you for that type of transaction. Likewise, Ebay sellers with good feedback can one day turn rogue and rip a few people off until they are shut down. Another scenario is a sellers account with good reputation/feedback is compromised, and the real seller doesn't catch it in time - you can't even trust "trusted" sellers all the time. Trading over the internet is and always has been a high risk activity. Use common sense.

[W0rp3D]

If you PM'd me with a case #, officer's name, branch looking after the incident or anything relating to proof you'd actually gone to the Police... I'd give you my number so they can call me. Alternatively I'll call them. I've done so in the past, i will do so in the future.

Would have been good to have known this at the time, at the time in my mind the lack of a response was the same as saying "i dont care, f**k off"

As for me getting shitty i think you actually need to look in the mirror, i know that it was all my decision whether i transferred the money or not, i also know what the end result could have been before i deposited the money (much like the 3 or 4 other people in the same thread that got ripped off) in the end it all went to shit, many times before that i have had successfull transactions (that one being the only bad one) and have had many transactions since and will have many more in the future, maybe i am stupid or an idiot (or any other name you wish to call to make you feel better) but at the end of the day my post was purely answering a question "would do the mods do when someone gets ripped off" i can only comment from my experience, who knows, maybe you just didnt get my pm's, maybe you were on holiday, maybe you have helped 3,000,000 ppl before me and just as many after, but at the end of the day that was my experience, good bad or in different, i have long since written it off, does it still leave a bad taste in my mouth, yes, but not towards you.

[W0rp3D]

I do agree with Ash. If you are conducting a trade without some sort of formality or authenticity, you deserve to lose your money. A fool and his money are soon parted! In my experience the biggest cause of this problem is one's eagerness to obtain the item or to reserve it so no one else can get it before you. Need to be patient and find a medium through which to conduct your trade safely, e.g. eBay or real life. Ask the seller to post the item on eBay with a "buy it now" price. Even if you have to pay for their eBay fees it is worth the extra security.

As said above ebay dont do shit, even pay pal is limited, if you transfer the money to there account and they pull it straight out and never see you item you dont get your money till they actually have money in that account, which of course will be never.

And if you do happen to catch them, it's your word against theirs...they can simply deny the transaction existed or say that they already sent you the item.

A bank statement will prove the transaction existed.

[R31Nismoid]

And bank accounts can be easily created with forged documents