Project 'gozila'...

[Marko R1]

would u mind posting some pics of the donk, even if u have pics of keirs 32 - pm if u prefer

[Swiper the Fox]

If it makes the shirtman happy he wins

I am sorry to go off topic like this but I cant understand the attitude of my RB26 is better than RB30, then I am building a RB30 to replace the great rb26 and pull my tuner's name out to have a go at as well.

Not cool.

Sorry to mess up your nice thread Marko.

Apoligies for giving an example with someones name in it...that was maybe a little too much. (mods please edit name out)

Calling my engine a drag engine is like me calling yours one.

Show me an aussie built RB 30 thats so much more outstanding than what ive got. Im building one to see what all the fuss is about and see if it will actually make what ive already got better. I think the big turbo may enjoy a bit more air...so we will see what just changing the bottom end will achieve.

You were off the mark refering to my engine as a drag engine 9K...that was the point...you have no idea what went into it and how it was put together. The focus when building was to make the engine make as much low down grunt (torque) as possible with the GT-RS turbo's. The reason for this is im making zero boost at the startline as i was using a normal Power FC with no anti-lag, two step etc. When the clutch was popped the car had to be right in the meat of its torque curve pulling the car hard off the line. This resulted in the awesome 60' times which was the real secret in getting a car with limited power into the 9's...it was 60'ing faster than Kier's car with less power and more weight (1470kg) and it didn't need an OS Giken 3L to do this. Only Mark Jacobsen has 60'd a GTR on radials faster than what our car has. A high revving RB26 that has a big flat 5000rpm torque curve is what most circuit guys would kill to have.

Thanks

Edited July 24, 2009 by DiRTgarage

[FineLine]

Gotta love signing on each day just to see who Dirty shed has pissed off over night.

[9krpm]

Apoligies for giving an example with someones name in it...that was maybe a little too much. (mods please edit name out)

Calling my engine a drag engine is like me calling yours one.

Show me an aussie built RB 30 thats so much more outstanding than what ive got. Im building one to see what all the fuss is about and see if it will actually make what ive already got better. I think the big turbo may enjoy a bit more air...so we will see what just changing the bottom end will achieve.

You were off the mark refering to my engine as a drag engine 9K...that was the point...you have no idea what went into it and how it was put together. The focus when building was to make the engine make as much low down grunt (torque) as possible with the GT-RS turbo's. The reason for this is im making zero boost at the startline as i was using a normal Power FC with no anti-lag, two step etc. When the clutch was popped the car had to be right in the meat of its torque curve pulling the car hard off the line. This resulted in the awesome 60' times which was the real secret in getting a car with limited power into the 9's...it was 60'ing faster than Kier's car with less power and more weight (1470kg) and it didn't need an OS Giken 3L to do this. Only Mark Jacobsen has 60'd a GTR on radials faster than what our car has. A high revving RB26 that has a big flat 5000rpm torque curve is what most circuit guys would kill to have.

Thanks

You will be the first to know that Willall Racing drag car lacks midrange power to improve their 60ft time.

I thought it was lack of traction......and so did Willall.

Too much lateral talks for this thread......you win.

[WHITER33GTS-T]

greg, what is your customers power goal and do u know the turbo setup?

Going by the name thats on the flow chart Greg posted up, that would be my 26 head :-)

Not really sure what power I will make but anything over 500rwkw and I wil be happy.

I have a Garrett T51r with 1.05 rear on a 6boost manifold and 60mm gate

I cant wait to get it running again

[Swiper the Fox]

Gotta love signing on each day just to see who Dirty shed has pissed off over night.

The entertainer always aims to please

[brother_david]

I own a Skyline.. Just to lighten things up

Oh and to toss something in the fire, im following this thread with a very high interest since i got a RB30/25 build going, with two Borg-Warner turbos (combined power ~1100hp) hidden somewhere in the engine bay Other then that itll be running Bosch 1680cc's, custom plenum, ported ex. manifold, headwork and CP Pistons. Thinking of going for E85 but its more expensive here then Shell V-Power gas.

Edited July 24, 2009 by brother_david

[Walk510]

Gotta love signing on each day just to see who Dirty shed has pissed off over night.

hehhehehe off the fourms we refered to him as DoUCHEgarage

[Swiper the Fox]

hehhehehe off the fourms we refered to him as DoUCHEgarage

i thought it would have been a little nastier than that.

[zebra]

hehhehehe off the fourms we refered to him as DoUCHEgarage

Hoooray for interwebz heros

[Marko R1]

Going by the name thats on the flow chart Greg posted up, that would be my 26 head :-)

Not really sure what power I will make but anything over 500rwkw and I wil be happy.

I have a Garrett T51r with 1.05 rear on a 6boost manifold and 60mm gate

I cant wait to get it running again

good to hear - best thing about greg is the 'image diary' he sends whilst building the engine - very thorough

i have at least 50 pics of my build

[9krpm]

would u mind posting some pics of the donk, even if u have pics of keirs 32 - pm if u prefer

Sorry Marko, I missed your post earlier. I don't have any pic of RH9.

I dont think Willall would appreciate me posting pics of their property anyway.

You can see it in the background on one of their R35 product threads here

http://www.gtrblog.com/category/parts/willall/

Drop them an email, I am sure they would send you a couple.

RH9 does exactly what it was built for; 9 secs quarter mile with full factory interior + aircond and 1min 17 at Mallalla race track.

Last time I talked to them, they've tweaked it to go faster but have not taken it back to track yet.

For comparison, the lightly modded R35 does 1min 14-18 depending on which pro/mortal sits behind the wheel.

Marko, if you want pics of my donk, drop me an email. I only had a few.

I dont even know where I stored those pics but it looks like a standard rb with an OS spacer between the head and block.

It's just a drag engine (which according to "some special garages", had a bad tune), nothing really special to boast about really

BTW I noticed from the picture of your engine bay, you still have MAF. Wow, very nice engine with a lot more potential

Edited July 25, 2009 by 9krpm

[Swiper the Fox]

Sorry Marko, I missed your post earlier. I don't have any pic of RH9.

I dont think Willall would appreciate me posting pics of their property anyway.

You can see it in the background on one of their R35 product threads here

http://www.gtrblog.com/category/parts/willall/

Drop them an email, I am sure they would send you a couple.

RH9 does exactly what it was built for; 9 secs quarter mile with full factory interior + aircond and 1min 17 at Mallalla race track.

Last time I talked to them, they've tweaked it to go faster but have not taken it back to track yet.

For comparison, the lightly modded R35 does 1min 14-18 depending on which pro/mortal sits behind the wheel.

Marko, if you want pics of my donk, drop me an email. I only had a few.

I dont even know where I stored those pics but it looks like a standard rb with an OS spacer between the head and block.

It's just a drag engine (which according to "some special garages", had a bad tune), nothing really special to boast about really

BTW I noticed from the picture of your engine bay, you still have MAF. Wow, very nice engine with a lot more potential

9K...no one said you had a bad tune mate...or at least i didn't...i just told you how much timing i run. You know how much yours had in it...mine has 5 deg less when tuned for race fuel. Simple maths would tell you what mine is running, i was just trying to point out another assumption (that i run mega timing) you made about my set-up was not correct.

You assumed from what i posted i was rubbishing your tune...You are off the mark again, ive posted the quote below...have another read...mate im not a tuners bumhole so im not qualified to comment whether the tune was good or bad...just quoting some figures.

...it had 5 degree's less advance than your street tune actually (the ****** ****** pump fuel tune one).

What did you expect me to do...let you make up some fiction about the whole deal and for me to giggle at you and allow it to pass...c'mon you know me better than that. I found it a tad offensive what you posted so my reply was quite direct.

I was over it and i believe you were from post #224...but you posted another silly remark. So again you force my hand.

Next month ill try and catch up when in QLD...so we can have a beer and a chat...its the best way.

Edited July 25, 2009 by DiRTgarage

[9krpm]

Nah buddy, I was not referring to you directly when I mentioned the "special garages".

I was referring to the last tuner that I used who bagged that tune had too much timing, claimed that he could produce more power with less timing and did not give me a dyno printout with the E85 fuel at the end. After weeks of waiting for the dyno printout in the emails, I retested the car on 2 different dyno and it not only did not gain any more power (with the E85) it was dangerously lean.

That tuner obviously had a copy of the tune from my my power fc and told/show you. I barely know of you through this forum and obviously have not told/give you the MD street tune.

You see all of this wouldn't have come out if you did not drag my highly regarded tuner's name out to say that your car has been safely tuned on race fuel and has 5 degrees less timing than my MD street pump fuel tune.

I certainly do not know how much boost, timing advance or 60' time you had. I did not at any time said you have too much timing. My main points were you should not compare engine response with

1. power/boost ratio because there are too many variables that affect boost (without going into much details of Boyle's law and resistance) and power. I'll give you an example, your setup has a larger intercooler than almost all track cars because airflow to the radiator is more important for circuit setup. The larger cooler helps lower the intake temperature --> lower pressure (Boyle Law). So your setup gain power/boost ratio because of the intercooler in this case and has nothing to do with the engine.

Power/effective compression is slightly more accurate but still doesnt take into consideration of blowby and air density. There are probably some good equations to use for comparison but I dont know because I am not a mechanical engineer

2. dyno runs in different gears and on a dyno graphs with speed on the x-axis for reasons I explained earlier. It's best not to compare dyno graphs between different dyno at all, but if one must then (god I hate saying this) it is slightly more reasonable to use power Vs engine speed.

Dirtgarage, I still like to see your dyno graph with full boost and race fuel with the GT-RS.

This is only one of my hobby, I am not on this forum to take or hold grudges. No hard feeling buddy.

Edited July 25, 2009 by 9krpm

[9krpm]

.....and seriously my engine was a drag engine, from Willall's drag car.

It was built from scratch with Japanese parts, did a couple of runs when Willall last raced in QLD, pulled out for freshening and then used as paper weight in their shop because the drag strip in Adelaide closed. So I bought it make good use out of it for the past 2-3 years.

So I think it's a bit harsh when you brag about having faster 60' time than them when they have no access to any local drag strip to test their car and also the drag car has no engine for the past 2-3 years. Sorry if I was a bit harsh on you before for that.

Again, I am not a hard core drag racer, so I don't actually know your or willall 60' times. If you are faster then congrats.

[Marko R1]

Sorry Marko, I missed your post earlier. I don't have any pic of RH9.

I dont think Willall would appreciate me posting pics of their property anyway.

You can see it in the background on one of their R35 product threads here

http://www.gtrblog.com/category/parts/willall/

Drop them an email, I am sure they would send you a couple.

RH9 does exactly what it was built for; 9 secs quarter mile with full factory interior + aircond and 1min 17 at Mallalla race track.

Last time I talked to them, they've tweaked it to go faster but have not taken it back to track yet.

For comparison, the lightly modded R35 does 1min 14-18 depending on which pro/mortal sits behind the wheel.

Marko, if you want pics of my donk, drop me an email. I only had a few.

I dont even know where I stored those pics but it looks like a standard rb with an OS spacer between the head and block.

It's just a drag engine (which according to "some special garages", had a bad tune), nothing really special to boast about really

BTW I noticed from the picture of your engine bay, you still have MAF. Wow, very nice engine with a lot more potential

i think i remember reading that keirs r32 was running local garrett turbo chargers (t04)? is this right or was it running hks turbo's?

btw, what is MAF? sounds like something out of american pie - oh that was MILF

[Swiper the Fox]

i think i remember reading that keirs r32 was running local garrett turbo chargers (t04)? is this right or was it running hks turbo's?

btw, what is MAF? sounds like something out of american pie - oh that was MILF

T67-25G in the race car and TD06-20G in the street car

Mass Air Flow...its your AFM's Marko

Edited July 26, 2009 by DiRTgarage

[9krpm]

^ yes that is correct.

[ANK]

if you guys are looking into "better" bottom ends for a 26 head look into an rd28 rb30 blocks hate life after 850hp after then its a gamble my mate in syndey anthony maatouk has pulled well over 1000 rwhp out of a single cam rb30 and the car has still not raced on full power put has gone 174 mph

[Swiper the Fox]

if you guys are looking into "better" bottom ends for a 26 head look into an rd28 rb30 blocks hate life after 850hp after then its a gamble my mate in syndey anthony maatouk has pulled well over 1000 rwhp out of a single cam rb30 and the car has still not raced on full power put has gone 174 mph

in the same breath...Mark Jacobsen has made 1250hp at the tyres with stock (not even N1) RB26 blocks thats 1500hp!

no issues. Just got to build them right. The RD28's are well documented on here but not many use them.

Marko's not chasing mega power, just a nice responsive streeter that will hold its own against the best that Hyster has to offer.

Edited July 26, 2009 by DiRTgarage