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Exactly why I love Forza! I don't mind the NFS series from time to time, in fact I played a fair bit of undercover and didn't mind it, BUT it's more of an arcade fun style game though. Nothing beats a good realistic racing sim like Forza!! If ONLY Micro$oft supported the G25 :) The xbox wheel isn't toooo bad, but would be nice to have the support of a good cross-platform wheel like the G25.

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so... is it worth it to have the wheel? I don't own one, and have enough shit cluttering my room as it is... Also, my desk is aimed it my computer screen with TV next to it so I would have to look to my right if it were attached to the desk...

Is it worth it? Which one should I get etc? Little help?? :)

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yeah i hear ya on the clutter lol I bought it and am glad I did! I bought the Micro$oft wheel, can't comment on the others as I haven't used them. For Forza I think it's a "must have". I got to a point in the game where the controller just wasn't cutting it anymore.

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The only assist I use is ABS, fark traction control, that's half the point!

I dunno, I think I will get more annoyed at having to use a wheel then a controller... But I shall see, everyone says they're good so I might pur-chase!

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haha same here ABS but no TCS or accel/brake lines... need some realism :) I must say the rewind function of Forza 3 is going to be interesting.. IMO it shouldn't exist, though I can see where it will help supress rage when spinning out on a final lap lol

Driving without ABS might be a bit different in a simulator, if the brake pedal was simulated. I'm not sure if the G25 does that at all, or if it just has a preset resistance?

Oh and once you adjust to playing with the steering wheel, you won't go back!! If you play new games straight up with the wheel it's easier too than switching between controller and wheel. There's just more variable input, particularly when you get to higher powered cars, though the thumbsticks on the controller make it easy to rapidly turn for some sliding fun

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hahaha 1000hp FWD Honda!! yeah that is pretty bad lol I'm thinking more about the endurance races! I guess a rewind function would also be good if you're continuously making the same mistake on a certain corner as you can practice that corner without restarting the entire race.

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Here is the Offical Forza 3 Carlist

The Cars of Disc 1:

2008 Acura #15 Lowe's Fernandez ARX-01b

2008 Acura #26 Andretti-Green Racing ARX-01b

2002 Acura #42 Realtime Racing NSX

2008 Acura #66 de Ferran Mortorsports ARX-01b

2009 Acura #66 de Ferran Mortorsports ARX-02a

2005 Acura NSX

2002 Acura RSX Type-S

2007 Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione

2009 Alfa Romeo Brera Italia Independent

2008 Alfa Romeo Mito

2006 Aston Martin #007 Aston Martin Racing DBR9

2008 Aston Martin #008 Bell Motorsports DBR9

2008 Aston Martin #009 Aston Martin Racing DBR9

2005 Aston Martin DB9 Coupe

2003 Audi #1 Champion RS 6

2008 Audi #2 Audi Sport North America R10 TDI

2006 Audi #2 FSI Champion Racing R8

2006 Audi #8 Audi Sport Team Joest Audi R10 TDI

2008 Audi A4 Touring Car

2009 Audi Q7 V12 TDI

2010 Audi R8 5.2 FSI quattro

2006 Audi RS 4

2003 Audi RS 6

2000 Audi S4

2004 Audi S4

2007 Audi S5

1983 Audi Sport Quattro

2004 Audi TT Coupe 3.2 quattro

2007 Audi TT Coupe S-Line

2004 Bentley Continental GT

2009 BMW Motorsport 135i Coupe

1971 BMW Motorsport 3.0 CSL

2001 BMW Motorsport #6 Prototype Technology Group M3-GTR

2009 BMW Motorsport #92 Rahal Letterman Racing M3 GT2

1997 BMW Motorsport M3 E36

2005 BMW Motorsport M3 E46 Coupe

1991 BMW Motorsport M3 E30

2008 BMW Motorsport M3 E92

2002 BMW Motorsport M3-GTR

2009 BMW Motorsport M5 E60

2009 BMW Motorsport X5 xDrive48i

2008 BMW Motorsport Z4 M Coupe

2009 Bugatti Veyron 16.4

2008 Cadillac #8 Remington Shaving CTS-V

2009 Cadillac CTS-V

2004 Chevrolet #3 Corvette Racing C5.R

2005 Chevrolet #31 Whelen Engineering Corvette Z06

2006 Chevrolet #4 Corvette Racing C6.R

2007 Chevrolet #4 Corvette Racing C6.R

2003 Chevrolet #50 Corvette Racing C5.R

2003 Chevrolet #73 3R-Racing Corvette Z06

2005 Chevrolet #99 Tiger Racing Corvette Z06

2009 Chevrolet Aveo5 LT

2002 Chevrolet Camaro 35th Anniversary SS

1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z

2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS

1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS Coupe

1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z28

1979 Chevrolet Camaro Z28

1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS-454

2005 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Coupe

2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06

2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06

2008 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS Stock Car

2008 Chrysler 300C SRT-8

2006 Chrysler Crossfire SRT6

2009 Citroen C4 VTS

2002 Dodge #1 Team Zakspeed Viper GTS-R

2008 Dodge #11 Primetime Racing Group Viper Competition Coupe

2008 Dodge #2 Mopar Viper Competition Coupe

2004 Dodge #22 3R-Racing Viper Competition Coupe

2003 Dodge #23 Magellan Financial Viper Competition Coupe

1970 Dodge Challenger R/T Hemi

2009 Dodge Challenger SRT-8

1969 Dodge Charger R/T

2006 Dodge Charger SRT8

2008 Dodge Charger Stock Car

2006 Dodge Ram SRT-10

2003 Dodge Viper Competition Coupe

2003 Dodge Viper SRT10

2008 Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR

2005 Ferrari #11 Larbre Competition 550 Maranello GTS

1964 Ferrari 250 GTO

1998 Ferrari #30 MOMO Doran Racing F333 SP

1967 Ferrari 330 P4

1994 Ferrari F355 Berlinetta

1995 Ferrari F355 Challenge

1999 Ferrari 360 Modena

2003 Ferrari Challenge Stradale

1991 Ferrari 512 TR

2002 Ferrari 575M Maranello

2006 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano

2004 Ferrari 612 Scaglietti

2006 Ferrari #62 Risi Competizione F430GT

2008 Ferrari #71 Tafel Racing F430GT

2003 Ferrari #88 Veloqx / Prodrive Racing 550 Maranello

2008 Ferrari #90 Farnbacher Racing F430GT

2009 Ferrari California

1969 Ferrari Dino 246 GT

2002 Ferrari Enzo Ferrari

1987 Ferrari F40

1989 Ferrari F40 Competizione

2004 Ferrari F430

1995 Ferrari F50

1996 Ferrari F50 GT

2005 Ferrari FXX

1984 Ferrari GTO

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2010 Fiat 500 Abarth SS

2009 Ford #1 TeamVodafone FG Falcon

2004 Ford #10 Tiger Racing Mustang

2009 Ford #25 Britek Motorsport FG Falcon

2009 Ford #5 Ford Performance Racing FG Falcon

2009 Ford #9 Stone Brothers Racing FG Falcon

2009 Ford Fiesta Zetec S

2009 Ford Focus RS

2006 Ford Focus ST

2003 Ford Focus SVT

2008 Ford Fusion Stock Car

2005 Ford Ford GT

1970 Ford Mustang Boss 429

2000 Ford Mustang Cobra R

1993 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R

1985 Ford RS200 Evolution

2009 Holden #2 Toll Holden Racing Team Commodore VE

2009 Holden #33 Garry Rogers Team Commodore VE

2009 Holden #39 Supercheap Auto Racing Commodore VE

2009 Holden #51 Sprint Gas Racing Commodore VE

2005 Honda #18 TAKATA DOME NSX

2005 Honda #8 ARTA NSX

2004 Honda Mugen Civic Type-R

2006 Honda Civic Si Coupe

2007 Honda Civic Type-R

1991 Honda CR-X SiR

2009 Honda Fit Sport

2002 Honda Mugen Integra Type-R

2000 Honda Integra Type-R

2002 Honda Integra Type-R

1992 Honda NSX-R

2005 Honda NSX-R GT

2003 Honda S2000

2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe

2003 Hyundai Tuscani Elisa

2008 Infiniti G37 Coupe Sport

2009 Jaguar XKR-S

2008 Koenigsegg CCGT

1988 Lamborghini Countach LP5000 QV

1999 Lamborghini Diablo GTR

1997 Lamborghini Diablo SV

2005 Lamborghini Gallardo

2006 Lamborghini Miura Concept

2005 Lamborghini Murcielago

2007 Lamborghini Murcielago LP640

2008 Lamborghini Reventon

2003 Lexus IS300

2006 Lexus IS350

2009 Lexus IS F

2002 Lexus SC430

2005 Lotus Elise 111S

2009 Lotus Evora

2006 Lotus Exige Cup 240

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2008 Land Rover Range Rover Supercharged

2005 Maserati #15 JMB Racing MC12

2008 Maserati GranTurismo

2004 Maserati MC12

2009 Mazda #16 Dyson Racing B09/86

2009 Mazda Mazdaspeed 3

1994 Mazda Miata

2007 Mazda MX-5 Roadster Coupe

2001 Mazda Mazdaspeed Roadster

1997 Mazda RX-7

2002 Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type-A

2004 Mazda RX-8 Mazdaspeed

1997 McLaren #43 Team BMW Motorsport McLaren F1 GTR

1997 McLaren F1 GT

2009 Mercedes A200 Turbo Coupe

2004 Mercedes C32 AMG

2009 Mercedes C-Class Touring Car

2009 Mercedes ML 63 AMG

2009 Mercedes SL 65 AMG Black Series

2005 Mercedes SLR

2003 MINI Cooper S

2009 MINI John Cooper Works

2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT

2006 Mitsubishi HKS Time Attack Evolution

2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR

1999 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR

2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR

2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR

2008 Nissan #12 CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R

2003 Nissan #12 CALSONIC SKYLINE

2008 Nissan #23 XANAVI NISMO GT-R

2008 Nissan #24 WOODONE ADVAN Clarion GT-R

2008 Nissan #3 YellowHat YMS TOMICA GT-R

2010 Nissan 370Z

1970 Nissan Datsun 510

2003 Nissan Fairlady Z

1994 Nissan Fairlady Z Version S Twin Turbo

2007 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V

1992 Nissan Silvia CLUB K's

1994 Nissan Silvia K's

2000 Nissan Silvia Spec-R

1993 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec

1997 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec

2002 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec II

2002 Nissan MINE'S R34 Skyline GT-R

2000 Nissan Top Secret D1-Spec S15

2009 Nissan Versa SL

2004 Opel Speedster Turbo

2003 Pagani #17 Carsport America Zonda GR

1999 Pagani Zonda C12

2002 Panoz #50 Panoz Motor Sports LMP-01

2005 Panoz #51 Panoz Esperante GTLM

2005 Panoz Esperante GTLM

2004 Peugeot 206 RC

2007 Peugeot 207 RC

2007 Peugeot 207 Super 2000

2007 Peugeot #8 Peugeot Sport 908

2009 Peugeot #9 Peugeot Sport Total 908

1968 Chrysler Plymouth Barracuda Formula-S

2009 Pontiac G8 GXP

2006 Pontiac Solstice

2002 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am Ram Air

1973 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am SD-455

1987 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am GTA

2008 Porsche #16 Dyson Racing RS Spyder Evo

1987 Porsche #17 Racing Porsche AG 962c

2008 Porsche #2 Gruppe Orange Racing 911 GT3 Cup

1998 Porsche #26 Porsche AG 911 GT1-98

2005 Porsche #31 Peterson-White Lightning 911 GT3-RSR

2008 Porsche #45 Flying Lizard 911 GT3-RSR

2005 Porsche #5 XBOX 360 911 GT3-RSR

2005 Porsche #55 Applied Materials 911 GT3 Cup

2005 Porsche #66 AXA Racing 911 GT3 Cup

2008 Porsche #7 Penske Racing RS Spyder Evo

2007 Porsche #80 Flying Lizard 911 GT3-RSR

2006 Porsche #82 Red Bull 911 GT3 Cup

1995 Porsche 911 GT2

1982 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.3

1970 Porsche 914/6

1989 Porsche 944 Turbo

1987 Porsche 959

1998 Porsche 911 GT1

2004 Porsche 911 GT3 (996)

2008 Porsche 911 GT2 (997)

2007 Porsche 911 GT3 (997)

2007 Porsche 911 Turbo (997)

2003 Porsche Boxster S

2003 Porsche Carrera GT

1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS

2009 Porsche Cayenne Turbo S

2006 Porsche Cayman S

1980 Renault 5 Turbo

2003 Renault Sport Clio V6 RS

2007 Renault Clio Renaultsport 197

2009 Renault Twingo Renault Sport Cup

2008 Saab 9-3 Turbo X

2002 Saleen #11 Graham Nash Motorsport S7R

2003 Saleen #2 Konrad Motorsports S7R

2006 Saleen S281 E

2008 Saleen S331 Supercab

2004 Saleen S7

2006 Saturn ION Red Line

2007 Saturn Sky Red Line

2005 Scion tC

2009 Scion xD

2009 SEAT Ibiza Cupra

2007 SEAT Leon Cupra

2007 SEAT Leon Supercup

2007 Ford Shelby GT500

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1968 Shelby Mustang GT-500KR

2003 Subaru #77 CUSCO SUBARU ADVAN IMPREZA

2006 Subaru Impreza S204

2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi

2005 Subaru Impreza WRX STI

2008 Subaru Impreza WRX STi

2008 Lexus #25 ECLIPSE ADVAN SC430

2008 Lexus #36 PETRONAS TOM'S SC430

2008 Lexus #6 ENEOS SC430

2004 Toyota Altezza RS200

2003 Toyota Celica SS-I

1994 Toyota Celica GT-Four ST205

1984 Toyota Celica Supra

2002 Toyota MR-S

1985 Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT Apex

1998 Toyota Supra RZ

2008 Toyota Yaris S

2005 TVR Sagaris

2006 Vauxhall Astra VXR

2009 Vauxhall Corsa VXR

2004 Vauxhall VX220 Turbo

2009 Volvo C30 R-Design

2004 Volvo S60 R

2003 Volkswagen Bora VR6

1995 Volkswagen Corrado VR6

2006 Volkswagen Golf GTi

2010 Volkswagen Golf GTI Mk6

1992 Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v Mk2

2003 Volkswagen Golf R32

1984 Volkswagen Rabbit GTI

2008 Volkswagen Scirocco GT

2008 Volkswagen Touareg R50

The Cars of Disc 2:

2003 Honda #16 G'ZOX NSX

2004 Honda Civic Type-R

1999 Honda Civic Si Coupe

1994 Honda Civic 1.5 VTi

1995 Honda CR-X Del Sol SiR

2005 Honda NSX-R

2000 Honda Prelude SiR

2005 Mazda Axela Sport 23S

2001 Mazda Mazdaspeed Familia

1990 Mazda Savanna RX-7

1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX

2003 Mitsubishi Eclipse GTS

1998 Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R

1997 Mitsubishi GTO

2003 Nissan #23 XANAVI NISMO GT-R

1997 Nissan #23 Nissan Motorsports R390

2003 Nissan #3 HASEMISPORT ENDLESS Z

1998 Nissan #32 NISSAN R390 GT1

2005 Nissan #46 Dream Cube's ADVAN Z

1969 Nissan Fairlady Z 432

1998 Nissan R390

2003 Nissan Skyline Coupe 350GT

1993 Nissan MINE'S R32 Skyline GT-R

1998 Subaru Impreza 22B STi

2005 Subaru Legacy B4 2.0 GT

1969 Toyota 2000GT

2006 Toyota #25 ECLIPSE ADVAN SUPRA

1999 Toyota #3 Toyota Motorsports GT-ONE TS020

2004 Toyota #35 Yellow Hat YMS Supra

2005 Toyota #36 OPEN INTERFACE TOM'S SUPRA

2005 Toyota #6 EXXON Superflo Supra

1995 Toyota MR2 GT

1995 Toyota Tom's T020 MR2

2002 Toyota Tom's W123 MR-S

2002 Toyota Soarer 430SCV

1992 Toyota Supra 2.0 GT Twin Turbo

1998 Toyota Top Secret 0-300 Supra

2001 Aston Martin V12 Vanquish

2002 Audi #1 Champion S4 Competition

2001 Audi #4 Johansson Motorsport R8

2004 Audi #5 Audi Sport Japan Team Goh R8

2004 Audi #8 Audi ABT TT-R

2008 Audi R8

2003 Bentley #7 Team Bentley Speed 8

1999 BMW Motorsport #15 BMW Motorsport V12 LMR

2005 BMW Motorsport #2 BMW Motorsport M3-GTR

1998 Ferrari #12 Risi Competizione F333 SP

2003 Ferrari #72 Team Alphand Aventures 550 Maranello GTS

1961 Jaguar E-type S1

1993 Jaguar XJ220

2002 Koenigsegg CC8S

1992 Lancia Delta Integrale EVO

1974 Lancia Stratos HF Stradale

1989 Lotus Carlton

1972 Lotus Elan Sprint

2002 Lotus Esprit V8

2005 Maserati #35 Risi Competizione MC12

2005 Maserati #9 Vitaphone Racing Team MC12

2006 Maserati GranSport

1997 McLaren #41 Team McLaren F1 GTR

1998 McLaren #41 Gulf Team Davidoff McLaren F1 GTR

1954 Mercedes 300SL Gullwing Coupe

2003 Mercedes CLK55 AMG Coupe

1998 Mercedes AMG Mercedes CLK GTR

2003 Opel #5 OPC Team Phoenix Astra V8

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2007 Peugeot #1 Peugeot 207 Super 2000

1993 Peugeot #3 Peugeot Talbot Sport 905 EVO 1C

2005 Porsche #3 Lechner Racing School Team 1 911 GT3 Cup

1998 Porsche #5 Zakspeed Racing 911 GT1-98

2002 Saab 9-3 Aero

2003 SEAT Leon Cupra R

1998 TVR Cerbera Speed 12

2001 TVR Tuscan S

2005 Vauxhall Monaro VXR

2004 Volvo #24 At-Speed S60 R

2004 Volkswagen Beetle

2001 Acura Integra Type-R

1997 Acura NSX

1987 Buick Regal GNX

2004 Cadillac #16 Team Cadillac CTS-V

2002 Cadillac #6 Team Cadillac Northstar LMP-02

2004 Cadillac CTS-V

1996 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport

1967 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray 427

1970 Chevrolet Corvette ZR-1

2004 Chrysler PT Cruiser GT

2003 Dodge #126 Team Zakspeed Viper GTS-R

2000 Dodge #57 Carsport Holland Viper GTS-R

2000 Dodge #91 Viper Team Oreca GTS-R

2003 Dodge SRT4

1996 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo

1999 Dodge Viper GTS ACR

1998 Chrysler Eagle Talon TSi Turbo

1966 Ford GT40 MkII

2005 Ford Mustang GT

2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe

2003 Panoz #11 JML Team Panoz LMP-01

2006 Panoz #81 Team LNT Panoz Esperante GTLM

2004 Pontiac GTO

1968 Pontiac GTO Hardtop

2001 Saleen #26 Konrad Motorsports S7R

2000 Saleen S281

1965 Shelby Cobra 427 S/C

1999 Shelby Series 1

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the one thing i like the most about forza 3 is the livery editor and the fact that people can sell designs like company logos and that for people that cant use the editor that well, but if i buy the game ill definently consider the collectors edition

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I have been a lucky one and played the game before it came out so ill let you guys in on a couple of things; compared to Forza 2 engines and drive lines are now separate upgrades, I bought a Nissan Silvia S13 (My car :)) stuck an Rb26 in it and kept it RWD, almost all 4wd cars (nissan, subaru, mitsubishi) can have 4WD/RWD upgrades done to them, and most race cars can now be upgraded and all painted. If you are into serious/friendly drifting in forza head over to www.forzadrift.com and keep an eye out for comps or the forzamotorsport forums and look in the tournaments area, see you on Fujimi Kaido :)

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