P Plate Legal?

[Ezy03]

hey guys just wondering is the v35 350gt coupe P plate legal?

[lyons]

i have 1 and im on my p's

but dont think they are quite legal though they supposedly have 206kw where the limit is 200

but thats measured from the crank and im not sure whether the 200kw restriction is at the crank or at the wheels

[V35_Paul]

What cars are not P plate legal?

[KezR33]

hey guys just wondering is the v35 350gt coupe P plate legal?

They're illegal.

Don't think you'll be fine because cops won't pick them as a "hoon" car. Your insurance company certainly will notice the difference.

[sethaiyaar]

They're illegal.

Don't think you'll be fine because cops won't pick them as a "hoon" car. Your insurance company certainly will notice the difference.

why is it illegal?...if it was, don't you think the RTA would do something about it when the info of driver and car are entered into their system?...and its not like they are turbo or have a 'too high' power to weight ratio like the later M3s.....btw ive been pulled over for speeding on my greens and he even pointed that out...lol but i talked my way out of a fine .

Im on my green Ps!!...wohoo off them end of year!

What cars are not P plate legal?

All the performance V8s and all turbo cars...also some NA car with high power to weight ratios...not sure what the ratio is thou.

[xscape237]

Some states have different rules. Where are you located?

In victoria, they are illegal if you got your licence before the rules changed. They make more than 125kw per tonne.

The new rules bans all turbocharged, 8cyl and "high performance 6 cylinder" cars. The 350 and M3 are some of those listed, however, the V35 does not appear.

http://www.gazette.vic.gov.au/gazette/Gaze...S193.pdf#page=1

[danny_tq]

yeah because it is an import...

but if the 350is banned this should be as well.

[Ezy03]

ill go contact RTA tomorrow to get a 100% answer, there's mixed answers everywhere and i don't know how the RTA works. its bs though all these turbo laws and v8's etc... they go to fast? so a hatchback sp23 mazda 3 or any other car you pick out cant reach 100 in a 50 zone? ridiculous, instead of people on p's speeding in turbos they speed in little shit small cars.

[DC33VN]

ill go contact RTA tomorrow to get a 100% answer, there's mixed answers everywhere and i don't know how the RTA works. its bs though all these turbo laws and v8's etc... they go to fast? so a hatchback sp23 mazda 3 or any other car you pick out cant reach 100 in a 50 zone? ridiculous, instead of people on p's speeding in turbos they speed in little shit small cars.

u forgot to add dangerous cars aswell my friend had a vitara with no rubber on the tyres nor good brakes now that no1 can get the turbo or v8 car they wanted they buy shit boxes and tend to not care to repair things on them so they save money

[cheaposter]

I don't think they're illegal if you're in NSW. The restricted cars list on the RTA site doesn't have it listed and i couldn't find any other limitations for p-platers.

I got pulled over a while ago at a RBT stop, and the cops checked my licence and made sure i had both my p-plates on display.

[Ezy03]

i called up just now and the lady on the rta side said it is legal to drive on P plates, (I'm calling from NSW - so other states might wanna call and check because i think the laws vary from state to state). there is a list she told me to check up for prohibited vehicles and its not on there aswel (LINK http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/downlo...icles_list.pdf)

now just need to buy the car cheers. no1 wants to sell one for 23k?

[worldwalker]

They're defiantly illegal In vic. They're way over the power to weight ratio of 125kwt/tonne (which has been in force since about 1994 so no excuse for not knowing). And yes the power stated is CRANK power as stipulated by the manufacture. The only saving grace is that the weight of the car is EITHER the manufacturers or an alternative weight supplied. However, this wont save a car once it's on the banned list. You'd also need to get the V35 to weigh in at 1640kgs. Thats a lot of bricks. Finally this option is only available if Vic Roads dont have a database weight for the car and they PREFER you to get a manufactures weight printed on their letterhead. Its a long process but totally worth it considering the penalties. Remembering that the penalties of the fine are nasty (something in the order of $200-300 and 3 points) but you're not covered by insurance. To be honest ANY P platers reading this who know their car is illegal, dont waste your money on insurance, you're not covered. If you're in an accident you will cop it BAD even if you're in the right. You can ask the question "what are the chances" but it's an insurance company, they will do anything to get out of paying.

Back in the day when mods were ok you could technically be driving an R32 GTST with GTR running gear so long as it was engineered and thats fine. So many P platers had 400-600hp VL-T's and were "untouchable" in the end the thing that screwed them over was the larger speakers in the parcel shelf (illegal to cut the parcel shelf as its a "structural" part of the car). Similar issue to cutting the battery support for a front mount in S14's.

All of this info is available on the traffic authority websites. My advice would be to call the RTA office and try to speak directly to an onsite engineer or call 3-4 times and take the average answer because it will be different every time you call. Also ask for a reference to the answer given. I'd do the same research for any mods you plan on doing to the car. Download a copy of the ADR's and stay within the limitations. You can do nearly anything so long as you conform to that. If you cant conform just get an engineering cert. Also remember with mods that EPA laws are not covered under the ADR's and are a completely seperate regulation so you will need to call them directly.

I'd also like to add that there are plenty of good cars which are fun and safe that you can drive on your P's. I'm sure a lot of the older guys will agree that we've all been there and gone through it, so suck it up. I'm sure they'll also agree that if they had powerful cars on their P's they wouldn't be here today.

[xscape237]

They're defiantly illegal In vic. They're way over the power to weight ratio of 125kwt/tonne (which has been in force since about 1994 so no excuse for not knowing).

I think they got rid of this law for anybody who got their licence after 2007. Its now based on turbocharged/v8 or "high performance 6cyl" other than power to weight....

[lyons]

ive had no trouble from cops bout mine on my green p's in qld

there should really be some kind of test cause not every young person is a sh*t driver yeh there is alot of shit drivers yound and old, ost of the time age and experience makes no difference half the cars i see getting around with dints and scratches are middle aged ppl

ive only had my license 2yrs but i havnt hit anything or scraped on anything or even bin close to crashing

not many young ppl are out to drive like a f*cking idiot its just a minority that are and then everybody else automaticly assumes p plates there a shit driver, and ppl that think like this need to pull their finger out of their ass and wake up to themselves

i didnt go spend 35k on a car to thrash it

and no my mum didnt buy it for me and neither did the bank i worked f**king hard to buy it and i hate d**kheads thinking im a sh*t driver cause i have to where p plates

sorry bout the rank but i was bored

cheers

peter

[scathing]

Technically in NSW, the answer is "it depends on who you ask".

On the RTA's web site on P1/P2 driving restrictions you have the following paragraphs:

An additional list, Guide to prohibited eight cylinder, turbo and supercharged high performance vehicles, may also be viewed and downloaded. This additional list is a guide only and subject to change at any time without notice. If your vehicle is not on the list but would otherwise be considered to be a 'prohibited vehicle', you must not drive it, unless exempt.

(Emphasis added)

Since the V35 has the same underpinnings as the Z33, which is on the prohibited list, an interpretation of the above sentence would mean that its illegal. It's the same car with a different body, so it has practically the same performance.

However, the fact that the V35 isn't explicitly on any prohibited list right now means you could argue that you didn't consider it prohibited. The RTA doesn't say by whose "consideration" the car should be banned or not. It's a very grey area, that lawyers would love to profit from.

If the authority that is determining whether your car is P plate legal or not (the cops, RTA, or insurer) isn't aware of the shared platform with a banned car, then they also might not "consider it 'prohibited' " either.

The fact that the V35 carries more weight, and is therefore a touch slower, than a Z33 might also be a factor in arguing that the car shouldn't be prohibited either as its not as fast as the banned vehicle.

[V35_Paul]

Technically in NSW, the answer is "it depends on who you ask".

On the RTA's web site on P1/P2 driving restrictions you have the following paragraphs:

(Emphasis added)

Since the V35 has the same underpinnings as the Z33, which is on the prohibited list, an interpretation of the above sentence would mean that its illegal. It's the same car with a different body, so it has practically the same performance.

However, the fact that the V35 isn't explicitly on any prohibited list right now means you could argue that you didn't consider it prohibited. The RTA doesn't say by whose "consideration" the car should be banned or not. It's a very grey area, that lawyers would love to profit from.

If the authority that is determining whether your car is P plate legal or not (the cops, RTA, or insurer) isn't aware of the shared platform with a banned car, then they also might not "consider it 'prohibited' " either.

The fact that the V35 carries more weight, and is therefore a touch slower, than a Z33 might also be a factor in arguing that the car shouldn't be prohibited either as its not as fast as the banned vehicle.

+1

And there are lots of cars with same engines in them with different bodies and weights. They all can't be banned.

e.g http://www.prestigemotorsport.com.au/modul...hp?StockID=4819

[scathing]

It's not just the engine though. The V35 and Z33 both share the same "FM" platform. Given that there's almost nothing between them in terms of real world performance a 350GT might be "considered" to be as fast as a 350Z.

[V35_Paul]

It's not just the engine though. The V35 and Z33 both share the same "FM" platform. Given that there's almost nothing between them in terms of real world performance a 350GT might be "considered" to be as fast as a 350Z.

But it's not. only goes to 180kmh

[nazzri]

hey guys do u think its worth purchasing one on red p's

[PN-Mad]

No.

Buy a corolla.