New Wa Emmissions Laws

[StealthX]

Hey all, just thought I'd share some pretty shitty news I've come across.

Went to the DPI today, and got some info for the legal stuff regarding my turbo x-trail project.

Its all pretty simple, i don't even need MOD plates or engineer's certificate.

What i need to do is fill in an modification application form and send it in, then ill get a response as to what i need to do next.

I might need to do whats called an IM240 test, which is a VERY expensive emissions test involving several gas levels being monitored for a period of 4 minutes (hence 240 seconds). These cost ~$700, and if the car fails, the next test will cost, brace yourself, almost $3000! The joke of this is that there is only one company in the entire state that does these tests. They have a monopoly on the emissions testing 'market'. Hoping I won't have to do one of these, if i do, then ill just take the gamble and drive with it not fully legal, cos 700 dollars per test is an effing joke, its the biggest money making scheme I've ever seen. After that, it just needs to pass an inspection over the pits, which should be fairly easy.

I don't condone driving an un-road worthy car at all, this will be my choice, and only under absolute worst case senario and untill I can find a way around the test, or spend some more coin for the stupid test. The problem with the IM240 test, is that was introduced back in April, and to date, not one test has been carried out in Western Australia. :dunno:

From what i hear from the guys at hyperdrive motorsport (im using them to tune my EMS when its done), 3 cars were tested independently over east, by a car dealership. I might add here that in NSW, this test is free, funded by the RTA! (correct me if im wrong). The cars were a MY09 Subaru Impreza WRX, a 3.6L V6 base model VE commodore, and a VE SS (6.0l V8) ute. ONLY THE V6 COMMODORE PASSED THE TEST. You read correctly. The WRX and the SS failed due to to higher carbon emissions on start-up (before the cat-converted had even bin given a chance to warm up to correct operating temperature). If a stock car cannot pass this test, what hope does even a slightly modified car have? According to the DPI's website, 80% of the cars on the road are (as of April 09) REQUIRED to undergo an IM240 test to still be legal. This includes any car with any exhaust mods at all, turbo or supercharger, LPG or CNG conversion, imported from another country or that was manufactured before 1989. This means that every LPG conversion must undergo this $700 (or potentially $3700 if it fails the first time) test in order to be legal. Thats more than the conversion itself, and its certainly not covered by the gov'mnt grant. I thought the government was trying to promote LPG conversions???

Read about the test here: http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/mediafiles/lic_ib...ht_vehicles.pdf

and some discussion on the LS1 (commodore V8) forum here: http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=121352

This test marks the end of modified cars in WA.

Yeh I'm seriously considering the future of this turbo project now.

That said, its not exactly that easy to just undo what I've done already (fuel pump, intercooler, exhaust, manifold and dump pipe that's bin custom made, BOV, injectors, the turbo itself and even the catch can!). I'm not going to be able to sell all of this stuff (especially with the new laws) and thanks to our lovely, helpful government, a hard working, law abiding, tax-paying student is thousands out of pocket.

To say I'm annoyed would be an understatement.

I'm not sure about the status of cars that are already modified pre-April, but from what it sounds like, it gives police the power to whack a $700 or $3700 test on ANYONE, even if the car is stock and/or they just suspect an exhaust modification has bin carried out.

The only bit if hope us WA'ers have, is that the test is under review in 12 months time (next April), all it takes is a smart lawyer from a car company to pipe up, and plead that the test undermines their company's ability to sell cars, that are considered "legal".

What do you guys think?

[Marco-R34GTT]

Holy sheet, I can't believe this... Madness...

[GTS-t VSPEC]

Simple, don't go through the pits to do your mods, just do them, then hope you don't get yellow stickered

The one of more impact is

In addition, the following applications require an IM240 test from 1 December 2009:

o Newly imported vehicles manufactured prior to 1989.

Which is a way to stop grey imports under the 15year rules etc.

With only one place in WA that can do it, the queue will be a couple miles long

[StealthX]

Simple, don't go through the pits to do your mods, just do them, then hope you don't get yellow stickered

thats what i plan

[R DIRTY 3]

Kostecki's?

Heard some bad rumours about this f**ked up rule already.

Its funny how the engines they build always pass with flying colours.

[StealthX]

Kostecki's?

Heard some bad rumours about this f**ked up rule already.

Its funny how the engines they build always pass with flying colours.

you guessed them

and conveniently, they 'new' 'ADR compliant' cat converters.

fkn government.

[Dsturbd]

Hope you do it , be interested to see the end result as i have 06 ST manual..

[syfon]

Thia is completely farrked and i work for the bloody dept of transport......completely stuppid

[R DIRTY 3]

you guessed them

and conveniently, they 'new' 'ADR compliant' cat converters.

fkn government.

Did you know that if a test fails, and you move the sensor to a different location in the exhaust, it will get a different reading. Do this enough times and sooner or later it will give a "PASS"

Just saying. hahaha

[2LV8ETR]

Simple, don't go through the pits to do your mods, just do them, then hope you don't get yellow stickered

And if you do get labelled, return to stock, return to the pits, do what you can to pass, bolt your mods back on.

Screw them. If they want to be stupid about it, there's always a solution.

A cow fart cause more greenhouse gases than the time it takes for a vehicle's cat to warm up.

Don't they realise that there are normal people out there with average sized wallets?

Somehow, I think this venture may fail if 2 in 3 cars failed.

[R DIRTY 3]

Somehow, I think this venture may fail if 2 in 3 cars failed.

Nope, this is exactly what they want.

[syfon]

They want all the modified cars to fail these tests so it forces us to go back to stock.

Easiest thing to do is hide your power fc's if you have them, and when they can't find any evidence of an aftermarket computer system/ecu/boost controller you say to them, "But still no banana!"

[br3ndan]

so anyone with a aftermarket exhaust (most of us skyline drivers at least have a cat back) may need to do this test?!

[StealthX]

so anyone with a aftermarket exhaust (most of us skyline drivers at least have a cat back) may need to do this test?!

in short, yes.

it gives the police the power to make you have an IM240 if they suspect you have any emission's affecting mods (cams, bigger turbos, exhausts, cat deletes etc)

and if you get a yellow sticker, and you go over the pits with any of the above mods, youl need am IM240.

[R DIRTY 3]

so anyone with a aftermarket exhaust (most of us skyline drivers at least have a cat back) may need to do this test?!

If you get a yellow sticker, then yes.

Syfon, they dont need an obvious reason to yellow sticker your car.

All they need is a suspicion that something is not right and they can defect the vehicle to basically send you to the pits for a 'check'.

Im not against the rules as such, but i think they need to open the approved testing to more than 1 company who is a know 'over charger'. We need choice and should be able to find some one who we are comfortable to play with our cars.

If i had a v8 i would consider Kostecki's....but for a Skyline, Silvia etc? Nope.

[2LV8ETR]

The cars were a MY09 Subaru Impreza WRX, a 3.6L V6 base model VE commodore, and a VE SS (6.0l V8) ute. ONLY THE V6 COMMODORE PASSED THE TEST. You read correctly.

Nope, this is exactly what they want.

Were the WRX and SS tested, stock or modified?

The link to the DPI test won't open for me here.

[StealthX]

If you get a yellow sticker, then yes.

Syfon, they dont need an obvious reason to yellow sticker your car.

All they need is a suspicion that something is not right and they can defect the vehicle to basically send you to the pits for a 'check'.

Im not against the rules as such, but i think they need to open the approved testing to more than 1 company who is a know 'over charger'. We need choice and should be able to find some one who we are comfortable to play with our cars.

If i had a v8 i would consider Kostecki's....but for a Skyline, Silvia etc? Nope.

EXACTLY!

the rule's not the problem, the single company that charges $700 for the first, then $3000 for every one after that, is the f**king joke/problem.

[syfon]

Brad, yeah i know, the police don't need a real reason to defect your car. But at the end of the day the police always have and always will abuse their powers. We just have to live with it i guess

[R DIRTY 3]

EXACTLY!

the rule's not the problem, the single company that charges $700 for the first, then $3000 for every one after that, is the f**king joke/problem.

But if you fit a Kostecki ADR Approved Cat, your guaranteed to pass.

Thats nice isnt it?

[Passive]

Oh wow this is bs.

Mainly the prices...

Have to admit, i don't believe in global warming the way it is advertised on the news etc.

So this new rule...This is the first i've heard about it. Something like this shouldnt be implemented without people knowing about it... or am i just naive?