Split From Other Topic. Track Day Discussion

[djr81]

Sorry i think you missed what i said...

i was not saying it is hard and i got one myself... i was just saying that in other country's they have realised the attitude you have said... too hard and people cant be bothered... so they made a change to allow anyone to go to a track whenever they feel like without a CAMS, i was saying that yes there are avenues and i agree with them but we need to remember that not everyone want to be part of a group or forum but still like to get out once and a while and they cannot... some avenues are great for some but not others...

I agree with Brad it is only an hour but what happens if you live in a small counrty town and visit the big sticks and just want a race around?? there is no option unless you plan weeks ahead of time make sure there is a track event and then plan your holiday around it... i agree that is an extreme case but so are a lot of these accidents....

Well the answer to both those points is same.

I live in the country. Unlike the prevailing attitude of just about everyone who lives in Perth/other random capital city I long ago made the realisation that doing stuff takes time, effort & involves some degree of sacrifice. So yeah it is a 3 hour drive to go to Wanneroo, just like it is 2 & a bit hours to go & watch the cricket, the rugby or to attend a decent concert. You will find that most people who live in the sticks understand that & get on with life anyway. It is a city based mentality that requires everything to be presented on a plate.

[Dsturbd]

I agree with Brad it is only an hour but what happens if you live in a small counrty town and visit the big sticks and just want a race around?? there is no option unless you plan weeks ahead of time make sure there is a track event and then plan your holiday around it... i agree that is an extreme case but so are a lot of these accidents....

Collie is only 30min drive and 3hrs to wannaroo as djr81 mentioned and kwinana drags 1hr drive .. Most events are planned well in advance so you have plenty of time to arrange .

[NISMOGTT]

Collie is only 30min drive and 3hrs to wannaroo as djr81 mentioned and kwinana drags 1hr drive .. Most events are planned well in advance so you have plenty of time to arrange .

So i understand... can i drive to collie right now pay $15 and drive around for the hour? if the answer is yes then i will get back in my box and accept i am wrong...

however if the answer is no then my point is made... please read how i wrote it i am not making an arguement i am stating where some people not on the forums are coming from it is not my opinion it is fact.

i know there is events to participate in... i was saying that other country's allow you to go any time no event required or special lisence.

Edited July 20, 2009 by NISMOGTT

[GTS-t VSPEC]

i was saying that other country's allow you to go any time no event required or special lisence.

The simple fact is this country doesn't, and I can't see it is likely too either.

So having dealt with that fact, let's move on, and get down to what the real options are:

1. Go to a legal motorsport venue

or

2. Risk you life and others on the road.

I'll vote for 1 thanks

[Dsturbd]

So i understand... can i drive to collie right now pay $15 and drive around for the hour?

$15 is just enough to get you a drink , burger n chips at those tracks .. So no you wont get track time for $15

[NISMOGTT]

$15 is just enough to get you a drink , burger n chips at those tracks .. So no you wont get track time for $15

thats my point

GTS-t VSPEC i agree with option 1 also

[Ashy Larry]

PC

I vote for Option 3!

[Jess33]

Bubba, Whilst I totally agree that our best wishes are with the victims and there families, I do see this as a good reminder to everyone the consequneces of driving fast cars (whether they were speeding or not), and trying to encourage more people to particitpate in safe driving, and learning how to better handle there cars. I'm sure the families of those involved would want others to reflect on what has happened.

i totally agree with what your saying, the only problem is its not just 'fast cars' i found out 1st hand on the w/e. when a stupid bitch speeding down orrong rd ran red light hit me and yes she blew over the limit but the she only going to see the consequences now that she has to pay for my repairs coz her insurance doesnt cover her coz she was charged with dd. I think Perth has some really bad drivers and its not just people driving hpv that need to participate in safe driving etc etc she was driving a frigin lancer.

[GTS-t VSPEC]

i totally agree with what your saying, the only problem is its not just 'fast cars' i found out 1st hand on the w/e. when a stupid bitch speeding down orrong rd ran red light hit me and yes she blew over the limit but the she only going to see the consequences now that she has to pay for my repairs coz her insurance doesnt cover her coz she was charged with dd. I think Perth has some really bad drivers and its not just people driving hpv that need to participate in safe driving etc etc she was driving a frigin lancer.

I agree that it's not just HPV owners that contribute to the dangers on the road, but we can actively encourage HPV owners to get into motorsport etc, then I feel we're doing our part to help make things better. I'd hope no one here would be silly enough to drink and drive.

BTW, great news to hear that both driver and passenger are doing ok

[And]

It was a relief to hear that both driver and passenger are doing ok. No matter who was right and who was wrong, they are humans, they have families and friends, and I wish them full recovery. Life is priceless.

One more thing that I would like to ask before I go back to my box. It would be nice if someone with knowledge and first hand experience wrote a small post describing what facilities are available, their conditions, what needs to be done to access them, prices, etc. It can be done once and for all, instead of going over and over it in many topics.

I agree with Brad and Paul - it may take only 1-2 hours of your time if you go online and do your own research, but I can also see that some members aren't even aware of what facilities are available and what is involved in getting access to those facilities.

That tread can be made "sticky" and it will be, from my point of view, valuable addition to WA section of SAU forum.

Just my 2 cents.

[R DIRTY 3]

It would be nice if someone with knowledge and first hand experience wrote a small post describing what facilities are available, their conditions, what needs to be done to access them, prices, etc. It can be done once and for all, instead of going over and over it in many topics.

I agree with Brad and Paul - it may take only 1-2 hours of your time if you go online and do your own research, but I can also see that some members aren't even aware of what facilities are available and what is involved in getting access to those facilities.

That tread can be made "sticky" and it will be, from my point of view, valuable addition to WA section of SAU forum.

Just my 2 cents.

And, this is a sensational idea. I will most definately do this for everyone.

I will have it done in the next few days! Thank you for your suggestion.

[djr81]

It was a relief to hear that both driver and passenger are doing ok. No matter who was right and who was wrong, they are humans, they have families and friends, and I wish them full recovery. Life is priceless.

One more thing that I would like to ask before I go back to my box. It would be nice if someone with knowledge and first hand experience wrote a small post describing what facilities are available, their conditions, what needs to be done to access them, prices, etc. It can be done once and for all, instead of going over and over it in many topics.

I agree with Brad and Paul - it may take only 1-2 hours of your time if you go online and do your own research, but I can also see that some members aren't even aware of what facilities are available and what is involved in getting access to those facilities.

That tread can be made "sticky" and it will be, from my point of view, valuable addition to WA section of SAU forum.

Just my 2 cents.

It has been asked and answered any number of times.

The reality is that most people who say they want to participate don't.

They either have unrealistic expectations (eg it should cost next to nothing and be just round the corner) or are put off by it being competitive or by it being a controlled environment or any number of other reasons.

Which is fine. But it is not like there are any secrets about where to go or who to talk to.

[R DIRTY 3]

Djr, you have some good points, but it wont hurt to have the info publicly and easily available for those who have just entered the scene or whatever.

[Ashy Larry]

Gents,

Thread Cleaned.

Keep on topic.

No jokes, no off topic random posts.

This isn't the Wasteland.

Warnings will be handed out to those that re-offend.

[djr81]

Here then.

Facilities:

Wanneroo Raceway.

www.wascc.com.au

Collie motorplex.

www.motoringsouthwest.org.au

AHG centre

www.dtec.com.au

Kwinana raceway (drags)

www.motorplex.com.au

Stuff you need to hit a circuit.

Cams affiliated car club memership eg

http://www.cams.com.au/en/Sport/Club%20Zon...e=WA&page=1

Cams L2S licence.

www.cams.com.au

Licence menu here - you need a L2S for sprints/hillclimbs which in turn requires club membership.

http://www.cams.com.au/en/Development/Get%...ce%20Types.aspx

Series and/or events and/or clubs that runs events (just some of the many)

Speed event series.

www.speedeventseries.com

No limits events at Wanneroo

http://www.nolimitevents.com/news.php (An event on tonight I believe)

State sprint thingies

http://www.dtec.com.au/

That took 5 minutes & was off the top of my head. There are numerous car clubs who want members & organise events too.

The unfortunate reality is very few people can ever be bothered turning up to have a look see, let alone enter, let alone do it properly.

My argument is this (& does not in any way relate to the people unfortunate enough to be involved in the incident mentioned in this thread):

If all you know about someone is that they are happy to disregard road rules why would you want them on a race track anywhere near you or your car? Clearly you don't. So why do people argue that hoons need facilities & that the hard working folk who manage/run them ought to provide their services to fkwits. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but there it is.

On the other hand you will find anyone involved in motorport will be more than happy to help & be genuinely interested if you want to do something properly. Me included.

Edited July 23, 2009 by djr81

[And]

It has been asked and answered any number of times...

Which is fine. But it is not like there are any secrets about where to go or who to talk to.

It, I am sure, was (and is) the case. However, as I said and as you said, people may not be even aware or may have unrealistic expectation. SO I totally agree with Brad - it wont hurt to get that info summarized and EASILY accessible to everyone here, even people like myself - just click on the link, all info is there, all detail are there, just read, digest the info and decide what to do next. And if in a long run that post put few people in a right direction and help prevent at least one crash - it will be time well spent.

Yes I realize - it is not a silver bullet, it is not an answer to all our questions, but it might help people to better use facilities that we've already got here in Perth.

By the way - thank you, Brad, for doing that post.

[Dsturbd]

Djr, you have some good points, but it wont hurt to have the info publicly and easily available for those who have just entered the scene or whatever.

Maybe have list on SAUWA for the newbies , sort of like the workshop thread

[djr81]

It, I am sure, was (and is) the case. However, as I said and as you said, people may not be even aware or may have unrealistic expectation. SO I totally agree with Brad - it wont hurt to get that info summarized and EASILY accessible to everyone here, even people like myself - just click on the link, all info is there, all detail are there, just read, digest the info and decide what to do next. And if in a long run that post put few people in a right direction and help prevent at least one crash - it will be time well spent.

Yes I realize - it is not a silver bullet, it is not an answer to all our questions, but it might help people to better use facilities that we've already got here in Perth.

By the way - thank you, Brad, for doing that post.

Because you can't just click a link.

Roughly in order you need to

Select an event.

Get a membership to a club.

Get a licence (be it for the day or for the year).

Prepare your car for scrutineering with typical requirements over normal roadworthiness being:

Tagged fire extinguisher.

Blue triangle

Valve caps on the tyres.

Tow hooks.

Prepare yourself

Long sleeves in cotton.

Helmet.

Prepare your car for the track typically needing things such as:

New and or proper brake fluid.

Decent brake pads.

Good rotors.

Cooling system up to scratch.

Engine in good nick.

Good suspension.

And all that is before you get to the point of thinking about going quickly.

Which is somewhat more than just clicking on a link. Most people look at that & think it is too hard. Which it isn't really.

A selection of what events are on soon:

http://www.cams.com.au/Sport/Events/Event%...;to=&page=1

Edited July 23, 2009 by djr81

[GTS-t VSPEC]

I agree that getting into motorsport requires more than a little bit of effort, it like any good sport requires a genuine interest, and you need to be prepared to spend a few $$$ to get in there an do it.

Obviously there are a number of different level which you can compete in, and so it can be as simple as bring long sleeves and a helmet, all the way through to category racing.

I still think it would be a good idea to have the sticky thread which contains facilities, events, and requirements to enter, so we make it as easy as possible for people to get involved in motorsport, but at the end of the day it does boil down to individuals making a choice.

In the upcoming SAUWA General Meeting, we'll be proposing that for members to continue annual membership, that they'll be required to complete a driver training course (or compete in a motorsport event). We hope that this will in some way improve the overall standard of driver skills, and open up more opportunities for people to get into motorsport.

[Pal]

and would the club be organizing the driver training or is it off our own back?