N/a R33 Vs N/a R34

[boofhead1234]

hey all, im new on this forum so take it easy

I am looking to buy a skyline. I am on my red P plates in Vic, thats why I am in the N/A section No other reason I would be here. Would get turbo if I could.

Unfortunately I can get a turbo till im 22...

Anyway, I love the look of both the Skyline R33 and R34, so im wondering which is quickest out of those 2? Both using the RB25DE, the R34 with the NEO head.

I know the R34 is heavier, but does it make up for it with a newer/slightly different engine, or is the power delivery to the wheels better (less power loss)?

I currently have a Mitsubishi Lancer MR 1.8L, so either of these should be a massive upgrade Im sick of the lack of torque, power and RWD of my car.

Any help appreciated

[R34GTFOUR]

When my brothers r33 was still na, it was a close run to 120ish against my r34. Mine is awd so its abit heavier but its not too bad for a comparison.

Although if we were going 60kmhr and we both went back to 2nd, he would kill me, especially peaking 3rd. The r34 just ran out of puff after 5400rpm and his still pulled all the way to limiter, both simular mods. Although his was a freek na (used to crack 14.6's down the strip)

Torque difference is huge, in favour of the r34. We actually tested it once, 2000rpm 4th gear and stomped on it. The 34 absolutely ate him all the way to 5000rpm, but thats not a big suprise because the 34 has lower duration cams and higher lift compared to the r33, so lower end torque is too expected.

For everything else, interior, exterior etc i prefer the r34, but i am bias

[R34 -_-]

i also must say that the rb25de is not suited for awd.

if it was r33 rwd vs r34 rwd the r34 would win every time.

[mad082]

yeah the r34 has more torque than the r33, but it is a bit heavier, but still will be a bit quicker (only by a little bit though). while they both will be quicker than your lancer and feel more powerful, don't expect it to be ubber different. they are still a small engine and still require revs to make the power. on the other hand a commodore or falcon will feel totally different (feel much more powerful) due to the torque, despite being not much quicker than your lancer.

[alex1991s]

Having driven both and own a R33 GTS myself id definitely go the 34 if you have the cash, they are a lot nicer to drive and a lot smoother compared to the 33 in every department. Plus there a lot newer etc.

[boofhead1234]

thanks to all the replies.

Sorry I should have been more specific. I was comparing the r33 RWD and the r34 RWD. So in this case, the r34 would always come in front? Even though its quite a bit heavier?

If so, i will see if i can afford the r34, if not, the r33 should be good.

mad082, I have seen in a few threads that you say to go for a falcon or commodore if going N/A. I understand that they have big engines and lots of torque, but I would never get one of those. They are more of a family car, and i dont really like the look and feel of them, just personal opinion. I know they would probably beat an N/A skyline but it isnt my type of car

I also hear the gear ratio's on them are not so great, which gives skylines a bit of a chance.

Is there any other N/A cars out there that I could be looking at? Here are my requirements:

- No turbo

- No performance modifications

- Nothing over 6 cylinder

- Something quicker/more powerful than an N/A skyline

The only other car I can think of is the Toyota Supra 3.0L V6 no turbo, which puts out a lot of power, but Im not really fond of the looks of that car. Looks a bit rice to me (i know skyline is too, but not as bad. just my opinion).

What other N/A cars should I consider?

[mad082]

thanks to all the replies.

Sorry I should have been more specific. I was comparing the r33 RWD and the r34 RWD. So in this case, the r34 would always come in front? Even though its quite a bit heavier?

If so, i will see if i can afford the r34, if not, the r33 should be good.

mad082, I have seen in a few threads that you say to go for a falcon or commodore if going N/A. I understand that they have big engines and lots of torque, but I would never get one of those. They are more of a family car, and i dont really like the look and feel of them, just personal opinion. I know they would probably beat an N/A skyline but it isnt my type of car

I also hear the gear ratio's on them are not so great, which gives skylines a bit of a chance.

Is there any other N/A cars out there that I could be looking at? Here are my requirements:

- No turbo

- No performance modifications

- Nothing over 6 cylinder

- Something quicker/more powerful than an N/A skyline

The only other car I can think of is the Toyota Supra 3.0L V6 no turbo, which puts out a lot of power, but Im not really fond of the looks of that car. Looks a bit rice to me (i know skyline is too, but not as bad. just my opinion).

What other N/A cars should I consider?

i was simply using the commodore falcon as an example, not saying to get one. their power deliver is totally different to smaller engines. as for gear ratios, they are well suited for the engines. i have owned both a commodore and falcon and for everyday use they are fine.

as for a car that is quicker than NA skylines, manual 3.5L v6 magna. but again, family car. something that would be similar in speed to a NA skyline would be a n15 SSS pulsar. put a set of extractors on it and they go very well (i have one). down a little bit on torque compared to the skyline though, but handle very well. i have driven a lancer and the pulsar is a much better car to drive (i actually hated the feel of the lancer and would rate a falcon and commodore as much better to drive). much more sporty feel, nice direct steering. feel a lot like a skyline as far as basic handling goes (steering weight, speed and feedback). they are very much an underated car as far as 4 cylinders go. subaru impreza's aren't a bad car either. i have driven an awd 2.0L one and it goes pretty well, handles ok (prefered it to the lancer). also driven a liberty and they go ok as well.

then there is the hondas. plenty of quick hondas out there that will put NA skylines to shame. they do have the stigma of being boy racer cars though, and i personally don't like them, although they aren't too bad to drive. however they suffer from a similar problem to subarus. they are good as long as you don't have to buy any genuine parts for them, asn that requires you to have to mortgage your house you buy the simplest part.

another option would be a NA silvia or 180sx (preferably with the sr20). they handle well, go well, look good. only let down is a slightly dated interior.

as for supra, i think if got one i would be driving with my eyes shut. the interior is hideous. it's a trend with a lot of their cars (such as soarer). they seemed to put all their effort into making great engines and then got a grade 6 class from a nearby school to draw up plans for the dash.

[boofhead1234]

thanks mad082. Sorry i forgot to add in the requirements that it must be RWD. Another major reason for upgrading from the lancer. Im sick on understeer and spinning front wheels..

So the magna, pulsar and honda's are knocked out. I know they may have awesome engines, but I would really not like to get another FWD.

And yeah I really dont like the looks of the supra, inside and out. Wish i could steal the engine from one though

Another option is the 300zx, but they are big heavy cars with big engines, and wouldnt be too quick N/A. Also not too fond of the looks of those either :S

The only silvia that I dont mind is the s14. The s15 is awesome, but I cant afford it, and I dont particularly like the s13. It looks very old and cheap IMO. Im very fussy

I "LOVE" the r33 and r34, but the lack of power is the only thing putting me off.

To people here who have an N/A r33 or r34 and have driven it without any modifications, how did it go? Were you annoyed by the lack of power?

thanks for the help!

Edited August 14, 2009 by boofhead1234

[mad082]

the NA skylines aren't exactly gutless (except for maybe the the rb20, LOL).

300zx are heavier, but they do put out more power. don't know if they would be quite as fast, but they would still go alright.

i prefer the looks of the s13 over the s14. i had a 180sx and it isn't that bad looks wise. some look crap though. the early 'pig nose' fronts are bad, and 90% of bodykits for them look like crap. i prefer the stock look of them. i prefer them to the r32

i think that the skyline is probably going to be what ticks the boxes for you the best.

[R34 -_-]

For starters R34 rb25de with some minor mods is not gutless, its got a descent amount of power for an N/A.

Im surprised no ones mentioned the 350z, save up some money and you could get a slightly older one, iv seen some go for as little as $24k lol...

if your on a budget then id go for the face lift S14

[UNR33L]

no 34 has beaten me yet but then again i do have 123 rwkws in a 33

[mad082]

pfft, is that all? i had 127kw in my magna and it just had a full exhaust, LOL

but back on topic, what is the budget for buying a car? because that alone may be the deciding factor. r33's are generally much cheaper so getting a tidy 33 is going to be better than getting a dodgy 34

[boofhead1234]

well my budget is very small because i am in year 12 and only work 1-2 times a week But I am not planning to get the car until i get my green's next year.

I definately dont want to spend more than 14k. But the closer to 10k the better.

I can get some r33's and r34's for that price (non turbo) and also s14, 180sx ect.

I looked at the 300zx, and the non turbo makes the exact same power/ton as the r33, but the r33 makes more torque/ton.

So on the debate about N/A R33 vs N/A R34, both RWD and no mods, what would be quickest and by what margin?

Are we still saying the R34 is faster, even though its heavier? Must be more powerful engine?

And im guessing the 34 is better with handling etc?

Edited August 14, 2009 by boofhead1234

[R34 -_-]

The weight difference isn't really that much, and the r34s are newer etc so you wouldn't have to worry about replacing much when it comes to maintenance/reliability.

And every model skyline Nissan made has more power than the previous model.

In the end it comes down to personal preference and how long your having the car and what your doing to it.

To be honest i would buy a cheap car to start with and when you can, get a turbo because N/A cars can get pretty boring after a while.

No point spending all your money on a car and then trying to sell it later on to upgrade and find out its depreciated a shit load

[Reggi34dr]

no point in sussing out which model is quicker than the next and then finding out you can't even afford it.

by the sounds of it you can't even afford one now.

[boofhead1234]

lol good point Reggi34dr.

Also, to R34 -_- I wont be able to get a turbo until I am 22, so I want to find a decent N/A car now and keep that for a while, doing little things to it.

I would like something N/A with a little more go than a r33 skyline, but I dont know what to look at.

Throw me some ideas of some good N/A cars:

- under 14k

- RWD

- the same or quicker than an r33 skyline

And i will do some research on those cars and see if i like em. All i got now is the r33 and s14

[GTR-32U]

What about something totally different to allthose that you mentioned. Howabout an AE86 Sprinter ? weighing in at around 900 kgs or so and being rear wheel drive. Plus you got the " Old school " styling as well. Plenty of choices for engine conversions at a later date also.4age 123 kw 20 valve blacktop engine would give such a light car a really good power to weight ratio to boot as well.. And to be honest as time goes by , These cars are only gonna increase in value

PS a 20 valve sprinter would mop the floor with an NA skyline

Edited August 14, 2009 by GTR-32U

[R34 -_-]

I know you don't want a FWD but a Toyota Celica (new shape) with some visual upgrades would look pretty nice, and with 180hp (approx) for a 1.8l engine it should be pretty quick. They are also pretty cheap too.

[mad082]

What about something totally different to allthose that you mentioned. Howabout an AE86 Sprinter ? weighing in at around 900 kgs or so and being rear wheel drive. Plus you got the " Old school " styling as well. Plenty of choices for engine conversions at a later date also.4age 123 kw 20 valve blacktop engine would give such a light car a really good power to weight ratio to boot as well.. And to be honest as time goes by , These cars are only gonna increase in value

PS a 20 valve sprinter would mop the floor with an NA skyline

i have been in a sprinter with a 4age in it. they go pretty well. although they still handle like an old car unless you are prepaired to throw some coin at it for new suspension. i haven't been in a NA skyline so i couldn't say if it would 'mop the floor with it', but they would be capable of very high 14's or low 15's (depending on tyres).

I know you don't want a FWD but a Toyota Celica (new shape) with some visual upgrades would look pretty nice, and with 180hp (approx) for a 1.8l engine it should be pretty quick. They are also pretty cheap too.

only downside is that while they put out decent power (141kw or whatever it is), it is all very high in the rev range. low in the rev range that aren't very quick (kind of like hondas with v-tec). as a comparison, over the 1/4 mile they are only about as quick as a SSS pulsar which only puts out 105kw.

[r32na]

r32 with a rb25de, set of extractors, coilpacks, gtr lsd, and a power fc.... dicks both r33 and r34 by car lengths