Aug Deca - Wrap Up

[_Ryan_]

I might have semi's by then too, kinda had a few grip problems.

I would of thought cold semi's would grip less than RE001's? or have they been heat-f**ked? Mine are 40k km old and have been through many a heat cycle in the hills(hot to touch after a drive), Then again, I have never had semi's(havent driven on the KU36's yet)

What pads/rotors/fluid are you running? I find some pads alot harder than others to recover from a lock-up...

[llama_au]

Heat-f*cked. They've seen 3 or 4 track days (can't remember) and 1.5 DECA's. They've been melted a couple too many times.

And yes, my brakes are shit and need attention. I'm running SSS brakes front and rear, I haven't changed the master cylinder and brake booster and I've got no ABS. My car stock basically has a drum rear end and tiny calipers up front. It now has bigger calipers (still single piston) up front and discs on the rear. Normally I can deal with them being really touchy but at DECA last weekend they just kept locking up. Obviously the last straw was the sweeper on the Long Wang, locked them up and I was gone.

Pads are Bendix Advance front and Nissan OEM rear, Rotors are DBA slotted front and Nissan OEM rear. I noticed today when I drove the car to the panelbeater that the fluid has boiled over. I've obviously cooked it.

So on my to do list is fixing it cosmetically and mechanically (which is what is happening now), and them paying some attention to my brakes and tyres. Should be there for DECA in November, Long Wang will make me a little nervous though.

[{TUBZ}]

i didnt see Romans flat spot but he told me about it!! thats when ABS helps!! lol

ima disconnect the ABS next time and see how i go....my semis are re55s but they dont have much tread left so they will be in the bin after November DECA

[180Roman]

i didnt see Romans flat spot but he told me about it!! thats when ABS helps!! lol

ima disconnect the ABS next time and see how i go....my semis are re55s but they dont have much tread left so they will be in the bin after November DECA

ha ha yeas ABS does help prevent flat spots, but it cuts in way too much and slows you down. after doing 2 DECAs with ABS i actually like no ABS. The flat spots are mostly coz my tires are shit and only 185s which is smaller than stock.

hopefully I'll have some 17x9s and some federals before November

[cmccolgan27]

Where are all the times posted?

[180Roman]

Where are all the times posted?

page 12 or 13

[femno]

If I were you guys I would save my money and spend it elsewhere rather than on expensive semi slick tyres hoping that will make you a better driver, fix all your problems and get you faster times.

Semis = faster corner speeds which means lesser margins for error and also = much harder hits when you collide with something.

Most (not all) of the time cheap semis that have gone through a few hard heat cycles, stick worse than street rubber.

Get decent sized street tyres that will last substantially longer than semis, and save on regular fitting and balances, and spend money on the basics; good pads, good fluid, coilovers and or swaybars, and suspension links that will give you better turn in and decent camber (castor/tension and camber rods). Those get you faster times and arent consumables like tyres.

But hey, if you wanna run semi slicks and be cool, then thats ok too, just my 3c.

[Drift SX]

I shall be driving this time in November and as always without semi's!

& a bit more kilowattage

Oh, and as always i love to bring lots of limiter along with me!

[Al]

If I were you guys I would save my money and spend it elsewhere rather than on expensive semi slick tyres hoping that will make you a better driver, fix all your problems and get you faster times.

Semis = faster corner speeds which means lesser margins for error and also = much harder hits when you collide with something.

Most (not all) of the time cheap semis that have gone through a few hard heat cycles, stick worse than street rubber.

Get decent sized street tyres that will last substantially longer than semis, and save on regular fitting and balances, and spend money on the basics; good pads, good fluid, coilovers and or swaybars, and suspension links that will give you better turn in and decent camber (castor/tension and camber rods). Those get you faster times and arent consumables like tyres.

But hey, if you wanna run semi slicks and be cool, then thats ok too, just my 3c.

Wise words

Sarah those pics came out awesome!!

[ssxRicho]

7th...i would have thought a $50 to each time keeper would have been enough for 1st...damn global financial bs. maybe $100 next time team??

great day as always from the DECA team. there is alot of keyboard heros in this thread...or is it just me?

well mick and the guys will be hearing from me, hrm tyre wall. HH on saturday is going to be a struggle me thinks.

[dave1200]

If I were you guys I would save my money and spend it elsewhere rather than on expensive semi slick tyres hoping that will make you a better driver, fix all your problems and get you faster times.

Semis = faster corner speeds which means lesser margins for error and also = much harder hits when you collide with something.

Most (not all) of the time cheap semis that have gone through a few hard heat cycles, stick worse than street rubber.

Get decent sized street tyres that will last substantially longer than semis, and save on regular fitting and balances, and spend money on the basics; good pads, good fluid, coilovers and or swaybars, and suspension links that will give you better turn in and decent camber (castor/tension and camber rods). Those get you faster times and arent consumables like tyres.

But hey, if you wanna run semi slicks and be cool, then thats ok too, just my 3c.

I've had quite good experiences with used semis. Sure if you get them at 30% they're pretty shagged and slippery but it's not uncommon to find 60%+ tyres for a fraction of the cost new and they will have more grip than all but the most expensive streets. At deca you don't really get them hot but for actual track work, used semis will outlast any street tyre. Street tyres get hot and fall to bits.

Nobody is saying semis will make you a better driver. They will make the same driver go faster and unfortunately that's the game we're in!

[Sass]

Sarah those pics came out awesome!!

Thanks Al

[paulr33]

agree with femno and al on the street vs semi tyres

nothing wrong with doing it in street tyres

plenty of the guys have and do

the last thing you want to do is come to something like deca

with semi's on and have no idea how its going to handle

[adgey]

I think what femno was relaying was semi's are a thing to buy but just not the first. Improving your cars suspension while improving your driving skills and then once you have hit the limits of street tyres you will definitely be ready for semis. What's the point of putting them on to take corners at 180km/h when you can't even control the car? Much better to spin out at low speed and learn then spin out at high speed with semis and potentially damage things

but then again you vic people are odd

I've had quite good experiences with used semis. Sure if you get them at 30% they're pretty shagged and slippery but it's not uncommon to find 60%+ tyres for a fraction of the cost new and they will have more grip than all but the most expensive streets. At deca you don't really get them hot but for actual track work, used semis will outlast any street tyre. Street tyres get hot and fall to bits.

Nobody is saying semis will make you a better driver. They will make the same driver go faster and unfortunately that's the game we're in!

[_Ryan_]

If I were you guys I would save my money and spend it elsewhere rather than on expensive semi slick tyres hoping that will make you a better driver, fix all your problems and get you faster times.

Semis = faster corner speeds which means lesser margins for error and also = much harder hits when you collide with something.

Most (not all) of the time cheap semis that have gone through a few hard heat cycles, stick worse than street rubber.

Get decent sized street tyres that will last substantially longer than semis, and save on regular fitting and balances, and spend money on the basics; good pads, good fluid, coilovers and or swaybars, and suspension links that will give you better turn in and decent camber (castor/tension and camber rods). Those get you faster times and arent consumables like tyres.

But hey, if you wanna run semi slicks and be cool, then thats ok too, just my 3c.

Thats what I thought too... and some pad compounds are a lot easier to recover from lockups than others.

[{TUBZ}]

is anyone making a video compilation and posting it up??

[AGE]

LOL, ah the good old days when WRX drivers couldnt get out of bed the morning after a night out with SAU

Amen. 3 WRX drivers went out, only 2 could (just) compete.

[Belsil80]

If I were you guys I would save my money and spend it elsewhere rather than on expensive semi slick tyres hoping that will make you a better driver, fix all your problems and get you faster times.

Semis = faster corner speeds which means lesser margins for error and also = much harder hits when you collide with something.

Most (not all) of the time cheap semis that have gone through a few hard heat cycles, stick worse than street rubber.

Get decent sized street tyres that will last substantially longer than semis, and save on regular fitting and balances, and spend money on the basics; good pads, good fluid, coilovers and or swaybars, and suspension links that will give you better turn in and decent camber (castor/tension and camber rods). Those get you faster times and arent consumables like tyres.

But hey, if you wanna run semi slicks and be cool, then thats ok too, just my 3c.

I think what femno was relaying was semi's are a thing to buy but just not the first. Improving your cars suspension while improving your driving skills and then once you have hit the limits of street tyres you will definitely be ready for semis. What's the point of putting them on to take corners at 180km/h when you can't even control the car? Much better to spin out at low speed and learn then spin out at high speed with semis and potentially damage things

but then again you vic people are odd

Well said guys.

I am a believer in semis for track but not deca. they are an advantage if they have life in them but a nightmare when they dont (especially on the skid pan). also, cold semis are worse than cold streets, 1 little lock up on the mini wang or the basketball court say hello to way bigger flat spots and canvas if they are low. i normally run semis simply because they are always on the car but i ran streets this time and it was a good reminder that they can teach you things at a still fast but not too fasta speed.

Tubs, i would be bring 3 sets if i was you

[Rekin]

Just got back from Nissan Datsun Sports Owners Club Vs. FOrd XR club motorkhana and would like to share some ideas which was used in their format.

Their skidpan runs are based on official cams motorkhana circuits

http://cams.com.au/en/Sport/Disciplines/Au...sts%202002.ashx

They split the skidpan in 2, and had 2 seperate skidpan courses on each side (Instead of sauvic having one large skidpan event taking up the whole pan)

The Cams circuits (for example "Happy Birthday" and "World Tour") are small but have plenty of turns in order to do a lot of sideways fun or aim for quick timing. It's also good for the low-powered cars as they dont need huge amounts of power to get from one side of the skidpan to the other.

A couple of goods one are "crossover" and "Straight slalom" etc all small in size but are quite difficult and dont require a lot of power to be quick.

Also at the end of the day, they had a knock out challenge which consisted of slalom up and then back down to the finish line (an idea for future knock outs for sauvic?)

So just throwing out some suggestions for future deca's

Cheers

[Gazelle D]

interesting read.

i was thinking semi's for november but i'm opting out as even my road tyre's were different cold and hot. Might look into some more suspension work even tho i was very happy with the sliding and steering omg where was my wheel alignment last deca ???? (its soooo much better) but iv'e already spent to much money on my car to just have fun in.

also the question was asked how happy we were with the new format and difficulty which is why i responded. i did watch cars ahead of time and did review the map/layout but minutes in advance. I was able to iron out alot of bugs on the weekend, a problem with only drivin the car on track days.

And if roman wins the type X catagory, i think i win the modified Club Q catagory, lmao how many in the class were there ?

lmao glad i got rid of NA, auto, hicas, abs, 15" tyres and now sunroof