32gtr Upper Control Arms

[NISMO]

ok, to begin with excuse my ignorance cause i have NFI when it comes to suspension. and many other things

I went to have a rego check done for my 32 on the weekend and the guy said that my front right upper control arm needed replacing.

What i want to know is

- Are "control" arms and "camber" arms the same thing, except camber arms give you adjustment?

- I do a few track days a year, but the plan is to keep the car as stock as possible, i.e no coilovers/lowering. So should i go stock again?

- I think i have seen kits from nismo that replace the worn parts on the stock arms - Am i imagining this:-) ?

If I'm not imagining this, is it a good option?

- are there down sides to going adjustable such as different steering feel, knocks, noises vibrations?

Cheers

Bobby

[bnr#@]

The nismo link kit for the front will replace the whole arm adn a few other bits, they are excelent upgrades for street but are not cheap normaly

[Zardos]

Hey Mate ,

I had the very same problem , Car started to squeak a bit , took it down to CenterLine in Melbourne.

Spoke to Chris ( Awesome group of guy's to deal with by the way) and we decided that it was time to replace every bush, includes new sub frame bushes, lockbar, new coilovers ect....

I do plan on making a tread about the build.

Anyway this may help you to do with bushes ect...

bushers.pdf

[NISMO]

Thanks guys,

I'm leaning towards OEM replacements.

Adriel, in your attachment you had the front upper control arms with a 250.00x2 next to the picture. Is that the price you got for the stock arms?

cheers

Bobby

[NISMO]

Found the NISMO bushes - $48 each and i need 8. That works out cheaper than new stock arms, and may be a better option, as i don't think my arms need replacing.

[MrStabby]

I went to have a rego check done for my 32 on the weekend and the guy said that my front right upper control arm needed replacing.

What i want to know is

- Are "control" arms and "camber" arms the same thing, except camber arms give you adjustment?

- I do a few track days a year, but the plan is to keep the car as stock as possible, i.e no coilovers/lowering. So should i go stock again?

- I think i have seen kits from nismo that replace the worn parts on the stock arms - Am i imagining this:-) ?

If I'm not imagining this, is it a good option?

- are there down sides to going adjustable such as different steering feel, knocks, noises vibrations?

I havent heard them referred to as camber arms, but if you get an adjustable control arms (or replace the bushes in the standard arm with adjustable ones) you will get more adjustability. No shit eh? This is important if you're lowering the car, but you'll probably be able to get the alignment right without them at stock ride height. If you get adjustable bushes or adjustable arms with neoprene/nolathane/whatever bushes, the only downside is that they need to be greased around once a year or they get squeaky. If you were to get rose jointed arms then they will increase harshness and wear out much more quickly (probably not legal for the street anyway).

If the nismo ones are rubber they shouldnt squeak so that sounds like a good option, tho 8 x 48 is 384 so maybe get a price for whiteline adjustables to see how it compares. The arms themselves dont wear out at all so no need to replace the whole arm.

[NISMO]

Excellent, thanks Adam.

I'm leaning towards the NISMO items more and more. Yep they're a little more expensive but one of my goals as stated is really to keep the car as stock as possible. There's no doubt i can benifit from adjustables but it will take away from the originalness of the car (if thats a word)

The whiteline one's I've found for around $260 a set, but not sure if a set is one side or both.

[Zardos]

Thanks guys,

I'm leaning towards OEM replacements.

Adriel, in your attachment you had the front upper control arms with a 250.00x2 next to the picture. Is that the price you got for the stock arms?

cheers

Bobby

Yeah they were the prices i was quoted.

I ended up going with these

[Beer Baron]

sorry to be the bearer of bad news but I have tried 2 brands of those dog bone aka midori type arms and one set lasted a little bit till I sold it, the other set one bent after 1 trackday and the bearings failed after 2 trackdays and about 800 road kms... they will fail sooner rather than later AND even worse the don't give all that much neg camber. though you could get more by taking out the two ends and cutting their rods a bit shorter as one set of mine actually touched in the middle with still more room before they'd be touching the centre 'cuff'.

they are cheap, and cheap for a reason.

[Beer Baron]

ok, to begin with excuse my ignorance cause i have NFI when it comes to suspension. and many other things

I went to have a rego check done for my 32 on the weekend and the guy said that my front right upper control arm needed replacing.

What i want to know is

- Are "control" arms and "camber" arms the same thing, except camber arms give you adjustment?

- I do a few track days a year, but the plan is to keep the car as stock as possible, i.e no coilovers/lowering. So should i go stock again?

- I think i have seen kits from nismo that replace the worn parts on the stock arms - Am i imagining this:-) ?

If I'm not imagining this, is it a good option?

- are there down sides to going adjustable such as different steering feel, knocks, noises vibrations?

Cheers

Bobby

bobby, probably the most suitable option for you is to get a set of replacement R32 GTR front upper control arm bushes from whiteline. you can just get standard bushes or some adjustable bushes that will give a little adjustment to your wheel aligner. the adjustable idea is not a bad one. and no they wont really add any NVH to your car.

[Zardos]

sorry to be the bearer of bad news but I have tried 2 brands of those dog bone aka midori type arms and one set lasted a little bit till I sold it, the other set one bent after 1 trackday and the bearings failed after 2 trackdays and about 800 road kms... they will fail sooner rather than later AND even worse the don't give all that much neg camber. though you could get more by taking out the two ends and cutting their rods a bit shorter as one set of mine actually touched in the middle with still more room before they'd be touching the centre 'cuff'.

they are cheap, and cheap for a reason.

Thanks for the heads up

Only time will tell, What do you think of the ones in the group buy?

[Russman]

Most I could get out of the offset whiteline bushes is 2.5deg neg camber. Heaps for a road car but I want more. Not sure what to buy to achieve this...

[_Ryan_]

bobby, probably the most suitable option for you is to get a set of replacement R32 GTR front upper control arm bushes from whiteline. you can just get standard bushes or some adjustable bushes that will give a little adjustment to your wheel aligner. the adjustable idea is not a bad one. and no they wont really add any NVH to your car.

I second the whiteline bushes, I run them in both my cars, and being replacement bushes makes them street legal IIRC, where a replacement arm(eg. cusco) would not be. Similar cost to OEM bushes and you can get adjustment, around 220 Trade price. http://www.whiteline.com.au/product_detail...t_number=KCA336

[Duncan]

bobby I ran the nismo bushes for years because that's all I was allowed to run. If you want to stay stockish (and I'm glad you do) they are a very good option.

I now run the whiteline adjustable bushes and they give me extra camber. But they flog out very quickly with race use (3-4 races only), probably OK for street

[Beer Baron]

Thanks for the heads up

Only time will tell, What do you think of the ones in the group buy?

do you mean the new type ones that pivot in the centre that UAS is selling? they look to be a good design. I haven't used any yet so can't comment on how well they last or not but I would think they will be a good thing. up till now the only other decent option was the noltec arms, the big chunky ones that slide in an out. they take urethane bushes and have grease nipples at both ends so you can lube them up as needed. they are the only ones I've had that lasted and had good adjustment. but I don't think they are being made anymore. the old adjustable nismo ones look to be the same design.

[ali-turko]

hey zardos

any chance you can gimme a price on replacing every bush in the car??

[Duncan]

you probably don't want to know, especially if you include install cost....will be worth it though the improvement is amazing

[Zardos]

hey zardos

any chance you can gimme a price on replacing every bush in the car??

As Duncan said it is not cheap, Plus we found that some bushes seem to be still in good condition, so we did not replace them.

I got most of my bushes through a friend who works a Nissan.

I have to go through my invoices and tally it up for you.

I'll try and do this tomorrow.

[bozodos]

is it possible to buy any bush kits?

[NISMO]

As in 1 kit for the whole car? Probably not.

You would need to buy the individual kits for the individual parts - eg the kit I'm getting for the upper control arms