Can A Stock R33 Beat A Civic/integra Type R/s?

[Ultimategtr]

lol, its funny reading a few stories.

I still think the gtst will win, plainly cos the honda is stock.. however it would be a close race I say.

I once raced my mates 2000 2.2 prelude vtec with catback/pod/vtec controller @ 5k. Race 0-160kish. My 25t had fmic/full exh/ebc set to 7psi and my turbo was on its way out.. hence the stock boost. He was always begging me to race him.. saying how bad he would smoke me.. and his car felt quicker and tighter then mine.. so yeh.

He launch from around 2-3k, i didnt.. he jumped ahead for maybe 2 secs.. By the time i hit 2, he was at least 1 meter behind mine, and the gap increased to around 3-5 meters by the time we hit 150k. He was full revving his out, where as I was limiting my shifting to around 5700rpm(I didnt want to rev too high cos of turbo).

I couldnt beleive it... so he tried it again but this time rolling start.. same thing happened. lol. He said that he noticed i wasnt revving mine out. He never gained up on me.. if i revved higher then I would have pulled away easily.

Also, on the motorway @ 100k, going uphill, we were both side by side.. Im in 5th @ stock boost(7psi). He was also in 5th, We both floor it and i easily pull away.. he had to chop to 4th to keep up and pull away from me. We both had a full interior, an extra passenger and around 1/2 tank gas(BPU in both).

[Granthem]

all i can say is dead stock s2000s are f**king quick.

If VTEC kicked in before 6000rpm, my R34 could have been in trouble. they are quick

[MBS206]

He said more or less even in 1st and second, that doesn't mean faster - and I was running a laggier plain bearing VG30 turbo at the time due to my stock turbo blowing.

A VG30... is not laggy...

I have a turbo that doesn't come on full song to around 4000RPM and that's in a roll on 4th... Doesn't really get right up on boost in 1st... But by second it snaps immediately to full boost and just romps all the power down...

A VG30 is SLIGHTLY laggier then stock (IE, a couple of hundred RPM at WORST, IE full boost at like 2800RPM) if it's taking you 2 gears to get your VG30 up on boost, I think you also f**ked it up.

As I said, the Honda's are really only "quick" in the first 2 gears, after that, they have no legs...

You guys commented "side by side in 1st and 2nd then I pulled away" IE, the R33 is the same speed in the 1st 2 gears as the Honda, but the R33 keeps pulling in the upper gears, where as, the Honda runs out of power...

Oh and to the guys quoting "A honda puts out XXX KW" stop with the bullshit about power! It might win bragging rights, but it FAILS at the strip.

Torque wins races!

My car was only "claimed" at 250RWKW... In the short time that it ran, my tuner passed the comment it would obliterate most 300RWKW skylines... if it ever got traction...

Brad (RISKIN) even commented it seemed to have more straight line go then his GTR... (PS, last I heard it makes 480AWKW... )

[XRATED]

Seriously people... has it come to this?

Really.

[MBS206]

Seriously people... has it come to this?

Really.

Yes... Yes it has...

So how about those N/A skylines too...

[mad082]

it really does come down to the launch. when i took my v6 magna to the drags i raced a turbo 33 and beat him by about half a car length. on that run he ran a 14.95 (was his first time to the drags, same with me) and i ran a 15.02 but because i had gotten a slightly quicker reaction time i won. by the end of the night though he was down to low 14's or high 13's while i only got down to 14.8 and my worst run was a mid 16. my point is that it comes down to the individual run. if you get a slightly bad launch or don't get a clean gearchange it's all over. also your driving skill comes into it as well. the same night i was at the drags a mate was there and there were 2 people taking turns of driving his car and the difference between the 2 of them was noticeable.

[Lithium]

A VG30... is not laggy...

As I said, the Honda's are really only "quick" in the first 2 gears, after that, they have no legs...

You guys commented "side by side in 1st and 2nd then I pulled away" IE, the R33 is the same speed in the 1st 2 gears as the Honda, but the R33 keeps pulling in the upper gears, where as, the Honda runs out of power...

OK its all relative, you have to keep into account what we were talking about when such comments were made. I said myself that black and white a modded turbo Skyline will deal to a stock Honda - what kind of stupid comparison would that be to make though. My Skyline was making nearly 200rwkw when me and gotRice? did that comparison.... I'd not have liked to have thrown a stock 25T into that mix. My reference to the VG30 being slightly laggier than STOCK (I didn't say laggy as an absolute) was due to the fact that when I had the stock S2 RB25 turbo I could launch from 2500rpm and be at the tyres traction limit all the way through first, got 2.05s 60ft on street tyres?? I couldn't easily go faster than 2.2 with the VG30 turbo as I had to use more load for launching, mean I couldn't just drive off the line at low revsand nail the throttle like I did with the stock turbo.... lag isn't purely based on rpm....

I have a turbo that doesn't come on full song to around 4000RPM and that's in a roll on 4th... Doesn't really get right up on boost in 1st... But by second it snaps immediately to full boost and just romps all the power down...

A VG30 is SLIGHTLY laggier then stock (IE, a couple of hundred RPM at WORST, IE full boost at like 2800RPM) if it's taking you 2 gears to get your VG30 up on boost, I think you also f**ked it up.

As I said, the Honda's are really only "quick" in the first 2 gears, after that, they have no legs...

The taking until 3rd gear to start pulling away wasn't due to lag, it was the fact that the two cars were close enough in acceleration that the 25T needed time to make a bit of a speed difference... for what its worth both gotRice? Honda and R33 trap within a couple of mph of each other. I am sorry you are getting a bit excited about the fact that what you want to believe is being challenged, but trying to argue something with someone who has clearly been around both types of car in question for far longer than you have been around either of is not a wise idea.

Oh and to the guys quoting "A honda puts out XXX KW" stop with the bullshit about power! It might win bragging rights, but it FAILS at the strip.

gotRices R33 and Type-R both did high 13s with boltons...

I have a turbo that doesn't come on full song to around 4000RPM and that's in a roll on 4th... Doesn't really get right up on boost in 1st... My car was only "claimed" at 250RWKW... In the short time that it ran, my tuner passed the comment it would obliterate most 300RWKW skylines... Brad (RISKIN) even commented it seemed to have more straight line go then his GTR... (PS, last I heard it makes 480AWKW... )

Umm, 250rwkw - barely making boost in first, and somehow being faster than cars with way more power? I have made 280rwkw with mine, I have no issues making full boost in 1st, and full boost at around 3500rpm rolling on in 4th... it doesn't sound like yours is a magically efficient 250rwkw - though if you reckon its comparable with a 480awkw GTR, take that thing to the drags! Be good to see some a 250rwkw 25T running comfortably over 130mph trap speeds!

Edited September 5, 2009 by Lithium

[MBS206]

OK its all relative, you have to keep into account what we were talking about when such comments were made. I said myself that black and white a modded turbo Skyline will deal to a stock Honda - what kind of stupid comparison would that be to make though. My Skyline was making nearly 200rwkw when me and gotRice? did that comparison.... I'd not have liked to have thrown a stock 25T into that mix. My reference to the VG30 being slightly laggier than STOCK (I didn't say laggy as an absolute) was due to the fact that when I had the stock S2 RB25 turbo I could launch from 2500rpm and be at the tyres traction limit all the way through first, got 2.05s 60ft on street tyres?? I couldn't easily go faster than 2.2 with the VG30 turbo as I had to use more load for launching, mean I couldn't just drive off the line at low revsand nail the throttle like I did with the stock turbo.... lag isn't purely based on rpm....

The taking until 3rd gear to start pulling away wasn't due to lag, it was the fact that the two cars were close enough in acceleration that the 25T needed time to make a bit of a speed difference... for what its worth both gotRice? Honda and R33 trap within a couple of mph of each other. I am sorry you are getting a bit excited about the fact that what you want to believe is being challenged, but trying to argue something with someone who has clearly been around both types of car in question for far longer than you have been around either of is not a wise idea.

gotRices R33 and Type-R both did high 13s with boltons...

Umm, 250rwkw - barely making boost in first, and somehow being faster than cars with way more power? I have made 280rwkw with mine, I have no issues making full boost in 1st, and full boost at around 3500rpm rolling on in 4th... it doesn't sound like yours is a magically efficient 250rwkw - though if you reckon its comparable with a 480awkw GTR, take that thing to the drags! Be good to see some a 250rwkw 25T running comfortably over 130mph trap speeds!

It gets up and onto boost in 1st, but if you're trying to keep traction, you'll never see boost...

I struggle to climb onto boost in 2nd with out shredding the tyres...

Actually... Ask Brad (RISKIN) about it... It also struggled to do any form of accelerating in 3rd down the main straight of OP GP... Purely because just by touching the throttle in 3rd at 130km/h, it stepped out sideways... Yes, I love the fact I have this thing called torque...

Also, sounds like gotRice can't drive if he's done the bolt ons, and is running high 13s...

Most others with bolt ons on a R33 are doing super high 12s/ flat 13s... (With a good driver)

And you magically know how long I've been around cars for? Maybe you feel like you're having trouble understanding what people are telling you...

PS: Pushing 200 at the rears on my 25, I was side stepping the clutch, on street tyres, at 3500RPM... Tyres would chirp, rear would bog down... Car would launch... Wouldn't spin again after that... Maybe you needed to invest in better tyres?

[jase-r34]

Bah wtf is with these Honda vs skyline debates? My honda does a bit over 100 in first and will smash any stock skyline ever made

But seriously, I have driven one of the newer honda integra's. (Couldn't tell you what model or yeah tho as I really don't care) Don't know about a 33 but my 34 stock was a lot quicker than any honda car I've been in/driven.

[zebra]

somthing to think about.

whether or not the race was staged or not is another thing. however i know for a fact that my 33 wont wind off the clock as quickly as the civic does does

[kwickr33]

If you have a 3inch exhaust and Pod filter you should be able to rip him

[hypergear]

The Supra vs Civic video is interesting. Once again the Supra is a lot heavier car. Close friend owns a Civic Type R I dragged him with my 344rwkws CA18det Sil180 lol. If both cars are moving I drove pass him like he's stationary. From a red light I wasn't be able to over take till 3rd gear.

[gotRICE?]

zebra, LOL You cant compare an EG Civic that has a K20 conversion in it to an R33 GTSt! Thats around 160fwkw in a car that weighs 1000kg.

MBS206, your right, I cant drive.

[Bond]

That civic would be fun to drive

[Tony de Wonderful]

The Supra vs Civic video is interesting.

Fake.

[topher_]

LOL @ that video. So fake

[Johnny]

LOL @ that video. So fake

Dont wanna be a pro turbo kinda guy but a stripped out honda with fully tuned 9000+ rpm motor getting a head start in 1st gear (5000+rpm) against a potentially stock automatic supra; looks automatic to me cos if it was manual, we would have seen some wheelspin.

the car comes stock 280hp, it says 400 but how'd they know that; a guess because it has an exhaust lolz

hondas are geared high too, 6th gear on the freeway at 100km/h is over 3000rpm; top speed is limited to probably 200kph which is where the race stopped and the supra was gaining some ground.

again love hondas vtec engines and cars but why do they have to prove the whole drag thing ? dyno queen blah blah

reminds me of that chick member with an NA r34 and a signature saying how she'd rather have a fast NA than a slow turbo? what the hell does that mean...phoa phoa some people give you such an ego boost cos they are soooooo lost n ignorant.

[Lithium]

And you magically know how long I've been around cars for? Maybe you feel like you're having trouble understanding what people are telling you...

I didn't say cars full stop, but its clearly obvious you and a lot of the other people here know very little about Hondas.... that Civic is powered by the same motor as in the car this thread is about and as I have mentioned before, have huge potential with boltons.

I was pretty much expected people to be in denial about that K20A vid, so here's another which shows a time etc:

113mph is NOT no top end, I am unaware of anyone getting that kind of trap speed using a stock turbo on an RB25 without NOS... so no, I don't have trouble understanding what people are trying to tell me - I'm just making the mistake of getting into a debate with someone who clearly knows so little about the topic that they don't realise they're wrong.

Edited September 6, 2009 by Lithium

[GTRsean]

Bah wtf is with these Honda vs skyline debates? My honda does a bit over 100 in first and will smash any stock skyline ever made

How about a stock R35 GTR??!

[MBS206]

I didn't say cars full stop, but its clearly obvious you and a lot of the other people here know very little about Hondas.... that Civic is powered by the same motor as in the car this thread is about and as I have mentioned before, have huge potential with boltons.

I was pretty much expected people to be in denial about that K20A vid, so here's another which shows a time etc:

113mph is NOT no top end, I am unaware of anyone getting that kind of trap speed using a stock turbo on an RB25 without NOS... so no, I don't have trouble understanding what people are trying to tell me - I'm just making the mistake of getting into a debate with someone who clearly knows so little about the topic that they don't realise they're wrong.

If you're unaware of it, then you're not reading much of the forum are you?

Time to go read a few of the drag threads...

Oh, and I never said they weren't quick once worked.

But to compare a fully stripped out, with a heap of work done Honda, to a factory one, now that would be dumb wouldn't it?

You're suddenly starting to use facts that lie OUTSIDE of the box, to win you're arguement?

The question was lightly modded car, that with a good driver, could crack it into a very high 12/flat 13, versus a standard car that would do what, mid 14s at best?

Then suddenly you make it stock for stock, then it's suddenly an exhaust + boost vs a modified Honda, now it's "let's use completely stripped out and worked honda's to show how awesome they are"

I have no problem with the whole they can go, but really, they don't for all the hype they get.

Like comeon, why buy a honda, bolt ons and strip it to run 12s, when instead you could buy a commodore, throw an exhaust on, wack a cam in, and go run flat 11s?