nissans should be aloud to race with the holdens and the ford

[Sonic]

Erm, ylwgtr2, the GT500 GT-Rs have run a VQ30DETT for a couple of years now...

Just like the GT500 Supras run V8s (a stroked 5.3L 3UZ-FE Lexus mill), as does the HKS Mercedes CLK (a Merc 5.0L).

The GT300 350Z uses an NA VQ35 and revs out to 850rpm (or near there)

Oh, and the Monaro might make 600hp from 427ci, but it's redline is down near 5-6000rpm so it's not spinning like the other cars in the class (Ferrari, Porsche et al)

If you put JGTC up against Nations Cup, there's no way the Aussies would win considering the level of modification the Japs are allowed. Although, if someone was to bring in a Ferrari 575GTC, Chev Corvette C5-R or Lamborghini Murcielargo R-GT it could be a different story.

[ylwgtr2]

Erm, ylwgtr2, the GT500 GT-Rs have run a VQ30DETT for a couple of years now...

Just like the GT500 Supras run V8s (a stroked 5.3L 3UZ-FE Lexus mill), as does the HKS Mercedes CLK (a Merc 5.0L).

The GT300 350Z uses an NA VQ35 and revs out to 850rpm (or near there)

Oh, and the Monaro might make 600hp from 427ci, but it's redline is down near 5-6000rpm so it's not spinning like the other cars in the class (Ferrari, Porsche et al)

If you put JGTC up against Nations Cup, there's no way the Aussies would win considering the level of modification the Japs are allowed. Although, if someone was to bring in a Ferrari 575GTC, Chev Corvette C5-R or Lamborghini Murcielargo R-GT it could be a different story.

these were taken last year...the great man kazuyoshi hoshino holds a toast to his RB26 engine....

[Guest INASNT]

Oh, and the Monaro might make 600hp from 427ci, but it's redline is down near 5-6000rpm so it's not spinning like the other cars in the class (Ferrari, Porsche et al)

U can make a pushrod 7 litre engine rev more than 6000rpm, if it did rev like the ferraris then it would be scrap metal after a few laps.

[Guest INASNT]

these were taken last year...the great man kazuyoshi hoshino holds a toast to his RB26 engine....

Thats weird coz ever picture i have seen in a magazine over the last 2 years of the GT500 R34's showed the VQ engines

[GTRgeoff]

I actually don't mind my V8....4 cams, 32 valves, 6 bolt mains and 6500 redline.

Thankyou toyota.

Actually a couple of other manufacturers have been interested in V8SC and were willing to build approx 4 litre 4 cam in one of their 4 door variants. Has all gone quiet as the established brands wanted them heavily limited, given the technological advantage and regardless of the 20% less capacity

[GTRgeoff]

strange looking cam covers on that RB26.....

[Sonic]

Ylwgtr2, check out the JGTC web site (www.jgtc.net) from the last two years, they're VQ engines since the GT-R finished production!

[DoughBoy]

strange looking cam covers on that RB26.....

They are magnesium covers, there are a few sets around but they are going for $AU1500+.

[Sydneykid]

sigh, the monaro 427 is completely legitimate. It just has a stroked and bored stock engine, it is not the supercar that holden were planning on making, just a regular monaro with a massiver engine in it. Oddly enough the only thing in that car that is from a monaro is the shell. The race was clearly in favour of the monaros though, the rx7s had to run less than stock boost yet the monaros were able to increase their engine displacement to 7 ltres... bs fair competition

Hi Guys,

The 427 is a Big Block V8, not even close to an LS1, it has a Hollinger 6 speed sequential gearbox, the diff is a Ford 9 inch, the body with roll cage was built by Dencar, the brakes are etc etc There is very little 'Olden in them. Plus the 3 were built by Gary Rogers Motorsport not HRT.

If you want to get into V8dinosaurs, there is more "Ford" in a Commondoor than there is "Holden". The diff is a Ford 9 inch, the gearbox is a H pattern Hollinger 6 speed originally in a Ford Top Loader case, the front suspension is double wishbone (not struts) so they have the same adjustablility as a Ford, the engine has equally spaced inlet ports (copying a Ford) whereas Chevies are siamesed, the rear axle is live (not independant) which Commondoors haven't had for years, the chassis aren't even built by Holden, etc etc.

Someone said the GTR in the JGTC was more Nissan than a V8 Commondoor is Holden, well I agree. At least the GTR has a Nissan engine, the Commondoor has a Chevy with a copy of a Ford cylinder head on it.

[Laurence]

A small block is defined by the bore spacing. The LS1's bore spacing is that of a small block so therefore it is a small block. It uses a motorsport block which has thicker walls (anyone remember the thick wall Group A RB26 block)

I guess GTR700 really sucks because of all the non production and modified parts on it.

[Laurence]

The race was clearly in favour of the monaros though, the rx7s had to run less than stock boost yet the monaros were able to increase their engine displacement to 7 ltres... bs fair competition

The RX7s run lower boost to compete with WRXs, Evos and HSV GTSs. They are not in the same class as the Monaro...

[Steve]

This thread is funny...

[Laurence]

No really, it is ghey. But it all stems from the fundamentally bizarre notion that racing cars should be based on production cars... and not the other way around

[Duncan]

well, not really, if you want a car built from the ground up to race just grab a formula car, V, ford, f3 etc etc.

Production cars have a couple of advantages tho, available base model, parts, 2 seats to scare the crap out of passengers, and ability to keep costs low

[GTRgeoff]

Only if you are expecting sales boosts on the outcome of the racing

"Holden (or Ford) wins!!! See your local dealer for a Bathurst winning Falcodore"

It really is like that here Gojira.

[Guest INASNT]

Only if you are expecting sales boosts on the outcome of the racing

 

"Holden (or Ford) wins!!! See your local dealer for a Bathurst winning Falcodore"

 

It really is like that here Gojira.

so true, when the cheating monaro won bathurst the holden sales pitch was monaro wins game over, trying to say they can beat porsche,lambo and ferrari.

When the reality is that any production monaro would get its ass kicked by a porsche,;ambo or ferrari in every respect!!!

[Laurence]

Does anyone really think that though... Is it just a bogan stereotype?

I certainly don't think the taxi that drops my drunken carcass home on after a Friday night has anything to do with the machines nudging 300km/h down Conrod Straight.

What about Supertourers, did people like them? I mean they were pure racing cars, billet suspension arms mounted about 15cm from the original point, tubbed more than any drag car you have ever seen, sequential gearboxes and funky diffs, 19" wheels back when 18" was still considered massive... They really had nothing to do with the cars they were based on...

[GTRgeoff]

Supertouring wasn't my favourite racing.

And Duncan, I can't fit my bargearse comfortably in a GTR34 seat let alone a formula anymore.......and you race....so you know that inexpensive is a relative term...especially with no sponsorship.

Not sure what I'm trying to say here though....is it time for beer yet?

[Laurence]

Mmmm beer, now that is something we can all enjoy.

I found an GTR34 a bit squeezy too... Not good... Too much good living.

If only they would get on and make an R35 GT-R so we can have a proper argument when PROCAR hobbles it to let the Monaro win

[Doctor]

I enjoy the V8 Supercar series, but I would prefer some variety of vehicles in a highly tuned state. I hear that Toyota were considering entering this competition. Probably some way off yet if it ever happens.

I think that the Holden 427 should never have been able to race in the Bathurst 24hr. Who is going to beat that car? Not one of those things has been on sale to the public. I sure the government were involved somewhere along the lines of that decision.

Politics + Sport = Ghey