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This is getting pathetic really.

Lets get one thing clear.

The product is less than 6 months old and in now way has it returned any profit during the formative period. I cove things in the Australian car scene and make Motive DVD OUT OF MY OWN POCKET

So, if forums want to help Motive DVD grow by spreading the word, then i can cover more events and hold more challanges etc and help support the car scene.

If a forum wants to treat me like someone selling chinese intercoolers on the net to make a quick buck and try and make me pay ( which this one doesnt) then fine, I wont cover any event or cars linked to that forum. I already have that problem with some other forums.

On the flip side, If you want I can put more advertising in my DVD to cove teh costs of my advetising? How does that sound? Exactly. I pay out of my own pocket to keep advertising to a bare minimum as no one likes watching advertising in the DVD.

Now by now you would have realised that if the forum owner and moderators had a problem with Motive DVD they would have binned this thread ages ago, but they havn't.

The only thing ruining this forum now is people complaining about something that really has nothing to do with them.

And while we're here, thanks to the moderators, owner and members for supporting Motive DVD!!!

One of very few automotive titles, and the only DVD, in Australia that is privately owned and funded by a car enthusiast and not run by an accountant.

Now it should be safe to say, if its OK with you [200] , that this discussion is finished......now.

You can put what ever advertising you want on the DVD - I couldn't care less because I will never watch it.

I have made my point before. To recap I think it is unfair that a registered trader has to pay SAU for them to advertise. I will guess my question will remain unanswered by those that made forum rules.

Good day.

throws [200] 50 c so he can call someone who cares.

Knowing how much Andrew has put into the care scene over the last few years with Ignition and now with his own Motive DVD i know he will be covering a lot of costs himself.

at first he wasn't really advertising on here he was just informing the market of a new product.your sooking and whinging has been the best positive advertising for it because so many have been reading this thread to laugh about your comments

PS Andrew another great DVD keep em coming and hurry up n get back to Perth for another Hillaries style meet up .That was so much fun with the cops blocking all the exits and entries :P

My question still hasn't been answered my any admin / mods and I think it was a very legitimate question to ask.

Why would they bother wasting there time on a muppet like you, the running of these forums has nothing to do with you, you dont pay the bills, have any sort of ownership and clearly absolutely no input into the running of it, the fact that you are the only one complaining tells me that no one gives a shit apart from you, if no one cares, and in fact by the look of the posts a lot of people are glad that this thread made them aware of this dvd then your question is mute and all this pointless arguing from you is just showing you as the mental midget you are.

Why would they bother wasting there time on a muppet like you, the running of these forums has nothing to do with you, you dont pay the bills, have any sort of ownership and clearly absolutely no input into the running of it, the fact that you are the only one complaining tells me that no one gives a shit apart from you, if no one cares, and in fact by the look of the posts a lot of people are glad that this thread made them aware of this dvd then your question is mute and all this pointless arguing from you is just showing you as the mental midget you are.

I am sure there would be people that agree with me, even though I express my thoughts in a very direct and abrupt way.

I am sure there would be people that agree with me, even though I express my thoughts in a very direct and abrupt way.

mate, just accept it. You're an idiot.

Andrew puts alot of time, effort, and MONEY into producing this DVD to help our community. I know this cos i've literally seen him take money out of his own wallet to cover expenses.

As we've covered before..this is a "you scratch my back, i'll scratch yours" scenario.

Andrew covers SAU event (such as 10th Anniversary R34 GT-R Cruise in MotiveDVD #3).

non-SAU associated people watch dvd and see SAU

Ppl then join SAU cos they want to be involved.

ppl then donate/join club because they like the forum

SAU profits

SAU keeps running.

I admit, i haven't donated to SAU...yet.

I will be buying another skyline as my next ride, and will then be joining the NSW Club to help support the forum.

I would personally like to see you produce a better DVD, and sell it, without the support of forums and a like.

99% of people on these forums love these sorts of DVD's, and love that Andrew is doing it for them. he's not in it to get $$$$$$$, he does it for the love of the industry.

The guy owns 3 imports for f*ck sake..he loves them

Ok, this is getting silly now, you must have some sort of personal grudge to keep going on like this. Enough already and buy the DVD, it will make you feel better

Like I said before, I have no intention of even watching it let alone buying it and once again incase you've forgotten what I said a few pages back, there is no personal grunge. I will repeat, I have never met you, I have no intentions in meeting you and therefore couldn't care less about you.

I have made my point.

Feel free to continue with the name calling if it makes you feel better about yourself.

ASIO:- "Look (200); we've brought you in here to-day because your number's up! What have you got to say for yourself?"

(200):- "I've been trying to generate an awareness that JET200 has been exhibiting narcissistic behaviour by promoting his film footage yaddayadda without even being a registered SAU Retailer"

ASIO:- "You've posted up 8 times already. Where has it got you?"

(200):- "As I said, other people and not just myself would agree with myself that myself being an activist for what is right myself is being myself"

ASIO:- "You mean, being yourself, yourself, is a form of 'acting out' behaviour?"

(200):- "Well that MOTIVE DVD #3 is definitely NOT something that I myself will be watching; and 2 million others in this country like myself will not be watching it either - starting with myself"

ASIO:- "So this means that if 20 million other Australians watch or even buy MOTIVE DVD #3 (since we passed the 22 million mark to-day), you don't mind that; because being yourself is the most important thing yourself?"

(200):- "I've made my point perfectly clear already - Good Day"

ASIO:- "Yes we noticed that you've said 'Good Day' before. Did you notice that with all this controversy you've created, there are more MOTIVE DVD #3s selling now than if you never piped up at all? That means that JET200 is the one having a really 'Good Day' doesn't it?"

(200):- "Huh?"

ASIO:- "Yes, and we here at the Australian Skyline Impramatur Officialdom congratulate you (200) for stirring up so much sh/t that MOTIVE DVD #3 has now become a resounding success! :)

This is getting pathetic really.

Lets get one thing clear.

The product is less than 6 months old and in now way has it returned any profit during the formative period. I cove things in the Australian car scene and make Motive DVD OUT OF MY OWN POCKET

OK, lets make something very clear.

Is MotiveDVD being released as a part of a commercial enterprise? I notice from its web site that its being run by a production company. Not individuals working together. Not a non-profit organisation. A company. Which is a type of business. Hence why you'd have an Australian Business Number, which lists a "trading name".

As per the forum rules:

Any business sellers who try to advertise their parts without becoming a trader will have their threads close or removed immediately without warning

Your profitability is irrelevant. The place I work for lost money in the last financial year, but that doesn't make them any less of a business.

The amount of money you invested into your business for a production that happens to include the site isn't a listed exception to the rule either.

The forum's other sponsors also go over and above the call of duty to help foster this community. They'll post up specials. Arrange group buys. All kinds of things that have them "add" to this community. Some also offer discounts to paid club members, which helps attract membership. I have no idea how profitable they are right now. They don't exactly publish their PnL statements, but times have been tough. However, their ability to advertise goods or services on this site still incurs a charge.

You're advertising your business' product. It doesn't get any more clear cut than that.

I've got nothing personal against you; I don't even know who you are. I couldn't care less about your DVD one way or another. Philosophically, as a car nut, I hope that you succeed and expand the market for automotive multimedia. I'm just pointing out that, as much as [200] is being aggressive about it, he's technically correct.

It's a shame that so many other members, apparently dazzled by their (vicarous) 15 minutes of fame on a multimedia release you can find in a local bricks-and-mortar shop, are missing the lack of consistency.

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