Out Of Puff...2l Turbo Vs 3.5l Na

[scathing]

1. I was gobsmacked that he could catch up with acceleration (when I was leading)...

Not that difficult.

As others have said, it's really easy to wind up the wick on these things with no hardware changes.

A mate of mine in the UK has a Seat Leon Cupra (same Golf V platform). With an ECU reflash and stock everything else, he's pulling 220kW at the flywheel and more torque everywhere. He took me for a ride in it, and its a weapon.

On a rolling start, "chipped" Golf platform turbo cars have the ability to embarrass much "finer" machinery. It's nearly always on boost, pulls all the way to the limiter, and makes very good power for the size.

The vRS also has some pretty nice suspension. If the front end wasn't uglier than a sack full of poo, it'd make a good "stealth daily" for someone who wanted a Golf GTi without the lairiness.

[jaxt]

Not that difficult.

As others have said, it's really easy to wind up the wick on these things with no hardware changes.

A mate of mine in the UK has a Seat Leon Cupra (same Golf V platform). With an ECU reflash and stock everything else, he's pulling 220kW at the flywheel and more torque everywhere. He took me for a ride in it, and its a weapon.

On a rolling start, "chipped" Golf platform turbo cars have the ability to embarrass much "finer" machinery. It's nearly always on boost, pulls all the way to the limiter, and makes very good power for the size.

The vRS also has some pretty nice suspension. If the front end wasn't uglier than a sack full of poo, it'd make a good "stealth daily" for someone who wanted a Golf GTi without the lairiness.

was thinking the same thing too about the golf cars in particular the Volkswagen 1.4 Litre TSI Twincharger...don't know if it'll keep up with a v-line (no bus joke intended) but an interesting motor nonetheless.

[scathing]

For those interested, here's the dyno graph of my mate's Cupra.

Stock standard hardware, ECU remap.

217fwkW with a mechanically stock car is nothing to sneeze at. That's more power and less weight than a bolt-on NA Z33/V35.

The thing hits almost peak torque at about the same level our engines do, and holds it for the same rev band. Unless you caught an owner cruising at low speed in a high gear and you both decided not to cog it down, we'd pretty much get munched.

[Pummy]

For those interested, here's the dyno graph of my mate's Cupra.

Stock standard hardware, ECU remap.

217fwkW with a mechanically stock car is nothing to sneeze at. That's more power and less weight than a bolt-on NA Z33/V35.

The thing hits almost peak torque at about the same level our engines do, and holds it for the same rev band. Unless you caught an owner cruising at low speed in a high gear and you both decided not to cog it down, we'd pretty much get munched.

I recognise that RR graph

Although what he is not telling you is that the car comes as std with a K04 Twin scrol Borg Warner Turbo whereas the Skoda will probably have a K03. Max headroom on that is around the 310hp mark with the same torque. The 30th Edition GTI, Audi S3 and Leon Cupra with the K04 have max headroom of something a little shy of 400hp on std internals. The Audi can get to around 450PS as it has a closed deck, but the weight and drivetrain losses (which are not bad at around 22% for the quattro) hold it back a little.

And the cost in old world money? Realising this is in Rip Off Britain, around £2000 and you have at full boost by 2.7k, with a minimum of 300 ft/lbs from 2k to the redline at 7.1k.

(Apologies for not converting from hp to kw, not sure of the math, sure that scathing will correct me )

[rs73]

i own a is250 its actually quiet fast and very responsive..

I'm sure it is but I've seen people selling their IS250 as 2.5ltr is just not enough grunt and moved to V35 or something else...

Don't get me wrong I was strongly considering the IS250 before buying the V35....

problem is I won't settle any less than Sports Luxury variant and last year they were all asking $60k for even a 2nd hand ones.

$60k vs $30k-ish V35 - I will take V35 any day...

[xtc]

my mate bought a is250 a few months ago, had a test drive and it wasnt bad...not as good as the v im afraid but is very luxury and a refined ride. however i would choose the v, more of a sports luxury and unique...well at least for now until the market swarms with them hence the reason why ive stayey with this car for almost a year now i used to change cars every 2-3months.

[rs73]

well I can't afford to burn money by changing car every 2-3 months :-) not with a mortgage and a toddler growing up.

I would have to stick with v for a few years considering sports luxury is250 is still over $45k these days for a good example.

and coming from a 230rwkw r33 turbo, i needed a stepping stone down the power ladder, cos i'd definitely would die of boredom

if I get something less than stock r33 power all of a sudden :-)

V fits the bill, power wise (206kw not bad), half the price of is250 sports luxury back in 2007, engine is non-turbo so I don't

get tempted to spend money in the engine bay, and in a few years when I decided to step down the power ladder again and

can afford to buy a more common shopping trolley euros/luxury with sub-150kw I might just be very content, cos I have been

seasoned with such a 'slow' car.

[siu_loong_bao]

Rianto...

You need a 4 door family car...should have bought the 4 door V35 (aka Maxima)...hehe..like me...

[rs73]

Mmm. actually my wife started to hint to consider 7 seater....

now, not even your maxima can come to the rescue of that..

[whtbox]

NIssan Elgrand Rianto it's nice and thinking of getting one too

[rs73]

my gosh, what happen to you? planning to have triplets?

[Jetwreck]

want to blow Skoda's or whatever away in a family wagon?????

Go with a M35....the wife will love it!....you'll love it!.... basically the V35 with alot more go top end and more room.....it's just f#$ked out of the hole(till 20km's anyway).....but we are working on it.

P.S. Yes it does go around corners.....I did a 1.56 around Eastern creek in mine(shutup Andy...lol).

[rs73]

it's gotta be in 100% UNMODIFIED condition though...

how would it handle with no boost increase, and stock shock & springs?

[whtbox]

my gosh, what happen to you? planning to have triplets?

Nah My mum want one for our big family and grand kids

[Jetwreck]

it's gotta be in 100% UNMODIFIED condition though...

how would it handle with no boost increase, and stock shock & springs?

Damn good question......lol!!!......from experience!...the AR-X was like a bus on cross-pliers standard.....that being said it was still far better than a Liberty, or an Holden Adventurer.....it's just got a weight issue(It's a fat cow in other words...1,780kg's dry weight)

The RS or RX are pretty good straight out of the box(alot lighter too)....with a good set of pads and tyres(not semi slicks either) I reckon I could crack 2 minutes at EC.....no way with an UNMODIFIED AR-X though!!!...but if it rained the AR-X would be quicker.

[rs73]

and another 'killer' question is: is it a 7 seater?

[Jetwreck]

and another 'killer' question is: is it a 7 seater?

I have seen pics...but it's pretty much the same setup as a Commalcon wagon....which is crap.

Edited October 18, 2009 by Jetwreck

[rs73]

I'd guess the extra 2 seats are 'jump seats' facing backwards with lap seatbelts only?

[Jetwreck]

I'd guess the extra 2 seats are 'jump seats' facing backwards with lap seatbelts only?

nah....thats what I didn't get...they face forward.....it's a crap setup.

[53XYN]

do what i did ...STROKE it 221RWKW NA power ready for forced induction and the cost ... 8500 incl labour mind you the weakest thing in VQ35DE is the Harmonic balancer .. like the RB26's .. it uses the same style... my mods are not wild all it is is a forged rebuild with CP flattop pistions , apr harmonic balancer, cam is standard , billet cam gears. My auto is on the way out soon to SA for a rebuild and a 3500rpm stall converter , unfortantly i cant afford a TT install at the moment otherwise id do it in a heart beat.. im running a autoronic ecu copgybacked to the stock one just controlling Air / fuel and timming curves

If you have the VQ35HR dont bother stroking it or forced induction i have heard they dont respond to well to either of the things ..