Bang For Buck Tyres.

[scathing]

There was a BMI test a while ago, where they shod the MX-5s Mazda uses for their annual endurance race with different S-Comps. It should be on Youtube somewhere.

I think that the Z1s won, just beating the RE11s. There's still a lot of variables (like driver skill, and the condition of the car they were on, and the car itself) but they all came out reasonably close.

[The Dan]

You are talking about endurance racing. If the Z1's outperform in an endurance race then they will probably do well in short track events but probably not the best.

What you need to ask yourself is what is the car being used for?

The Dunlops, and Bridgestones are stickier tyres than the federals and kumhos for sure but put them into a long term race environment and they will fall short.

Each tyre is built for a purpose, buy your tyres for what you intend to use the car for

[_Ryan_]

from what i've heard the RE-11's are amazing, but as always they will be bloody expensive, and doubt they will be sold in aus. the Z1 star specs are a good jump from the KU36's without going too ridiculous with the $$

Tyre Power hawthorn(5mins from me) has them in stock.... they are also a rays dealer haha.

[scathing]

You are talking about endurance racing. If the Z1's outperform in an endurance race then they will probably do well in short track events but probably not the best.

I guess I wasn't 100% clear. At least you didn't jump down my throat because of that misunderstanding, start a shit fight, and then later "play" dumb when its pointed out that you're the one that went off half cock for no good reason.

My meaning was that they borrowed the cars Mazda Japan uses in the endurance race for their test and fitted the various tyres to them. They didn't compete in Mazda's actual endurance race with a variety of tyres.

They only did about a half a dozen laps, as per the standard format BMI uses for their "races" in their videos.

[scathing]

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[nisskid]

There was a BMI test a while ago, where they shod the MX-5s Mazda uses for their annual endurance race with different S-Comps. It should be on Youtube somewhere.

I think that the Z1s won, just beating the RE11s. There's still a lot of variables (like driver skill, and the condition of the car they were on, and the car itself) but they all came out reasonably close.

yeh there are variables, but the fact that they can be shown to be competitive with the RE-11 yet cost nowhere near the same, according to tirerack, for 235/45's, Z1's are 5/8 the price of the RE-11's

[nisskid]

Tyre Power hawthorn(5mins from me) has them in stock.... they are also a rays dealer haha.

cool, they didnt bring the RE-01R here so it's promising that there is a market for high end tyres here, hopefully it's not just them importing privately, and that bridgestone Aus is actually supplying them here.

[scathing]

cool, they didnt bring the RE-01R here

They did near the end of the tyres' life (maybe even after they were discontinued, it wouldn't surprise me if they used Australia as a dumping ground for old stock).

I'm pretty sure I saw them in Stuckey's web site earlier this year (or was it last year?) and Bridgestone Australia still has them on their web site.

[scathing]

FYI Stuckey's is advertising Dunlop Z1s.

As an official Dunlop Motorsport dealer, it would seem unlikely that they're parallel importing them.

[The Dan]

I guess I wasn't 100% clear. At least you didn't jump down my throat because of that misunderstanding, start a shit fight, and then later "play" dumb when its pointed out that you're the one that went off half cock for no good reason.

My meaning was that they borrowed the cars Mazda Japan uses in the endurance race for their test and fitted the various tyres to them. They didn't compete in Mazda's actual endurance race with a variety of tyres.

They only did about a half a dozen laps, as per the standard format BMI uses for their "races" in their videos.

Thanks for clearing up the endurance thing. My post still stands though. Tyres are built for purpose so it's still important to know how they will perform in different events.

I have no idea what you are talking about in the first part. I've got nothing to do with previous posts from other people. Keeping in mind, also, that it's in the past and I was sure I clarified everything for everyone so there shouldn't be any need for anyone to bring it up again. Or at least not to me.

[JD_CEF]

hey guys, just wanted you all to know that we have the last and only 6 x 235/40/18 KU36's in Australia.

I would really love to set up something here so you all can know what we have and when we have something to offer you specificly.

PLEASE one of the mods or admins help us out.

so how are you still legally selling these? did you buy them from kumhos or are these the side imported stock you brought in and were supposed to forfeit to kumhos?

im just curious that is all

btw there are more ku36's in the country... just to let you know

[Full Lock Motorsport]

so how are you still legally selling these? did you buy them from kumhos or are these the side imported stock you brought in and were supposed to forfeit to kumhos?

im just curious that is all

btw there are more ku36's in the country... just to let you know

Hi thanks for the question

We ONLY deal with Kumho Australia when it comes to Kumho.

All tyres we get are only from authorized Australian distributors, we do not believe in unauthorized parallel importing stock.

There are more KU36's but that size we bought the last of Kumho Australia's stock.

[NISMO]

Well picked up a set of KU36 yesterday for the GTR.

Will probably go on the car this weekend, and will hopefully do Oran Park at the end of this month, will let everyone know how they go.

I had Michelin Pilot Sports II on my old V35, which to date is the best street tyre i have ever driven on. Gotta say that the rubber on the KU36's feels very similar to the touch but obvioulsy is more "semi" orientated in the tread pattern.

If they perform like the PS II's i'll be a very happy man!!

[JD_CEF]

Hi thanks for the question

We ONLY deal with Kumho Australia when it comes to Kumho.

All tyres we get are only from authorized Australian distributors, we do not believe in unauthorized parallel importing stock.

There are more KU36's but that size we bought the last of Kumho Australia's stock.

ah ok then, so u didnt have to forfeit your stock??

kumho must have been lying then

[ssxRicho]

just changed to a set of ku36.

before

r17 235x45 on 17x8's

federal 595rs, from brand new ( ~$250/corner )

r33 standard turbo & pfc, 180rwkw

warm day ~25'ish

winton short

1.10.69

5 3 John Richardson John Richardson Nissan Skyline 2500 C 8 2 1:10.6900 0:01.6600

http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results..../09/2009.WIN.S3

now

r17 235x45 on 17x8's

kumho ku36, from brand new ( ~$180/corner )

r33 hypergear highflow & pfc, 215rwkw

hot day 30'ish

more cars and hot day compared to the CSA day, so that track would be HOT.

winton short

1.11.06

10 33 Skylines Australia Vic John Richardson Nissan Skyline R33 2500 D 25 15 1:11.0590

http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results..../12/2009.WIN.S1

notes:

federal when new have good rear lateral grip, little bit of movement on turn in and mid corner but nothing major. as the tyres wore this reduced and

the car started to push. tyres were rotated very often.

federal had great grip on the front in breaking and turn in, bust lost a little and generally pushed in the corner as they wore. as the tyre wore they

started to squeal heaps.

as the tyres wore they lost some feeling the in rear and while sliding would bite hard wen you didnt expect.

in the rain...totally awsome. grip under breaking, mid corner. not as much while on the gas though.

the tyres would last 3-4 hot laps, then start to side around a little. they are down below the markers now.

kumho, ive only run once at winton short.

it was fun...the ass was out all the time.

um, lateral cornering grip was less than the federal. braking was great, better than the worn federals. but on turn in the rear was walking all over

the place, was a nice change from the understear of the worn federals.

no understear to speak of, the front didnt push at all. the federals would vibrate like crazy while pushing, non of that from the kumho.

the kumho heat up real quick and fade off real quick. i could really feel em moving around compared to the federal ( maybe due to the tyre

pattern on the kumho, the federal is more like a yoko pattern).

this was more of a fun day than the CSA day. and i had been in understear land for a long time with the federals, so sliding around the corners

was too much fun.

more updates to come on the kumho's. but for performance vs cost, they look to be just a little ahead of the federal atm. the wear will be a big

comparison...

[some_cs_student]

just changed to a set of ku36.

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What tyre pressure did you end up running?

I've read somewhere here that people are running 38-40 psi (hot) in the ku36's but not sure of the exact size of the tyre they were referring to...what are you running?

[_Ryan_]

What tyre pressure did you end up running?

I've read somewhere here that people are running 38-40 psi (hot) in the ku36's but not sure of the exact size of the tyre they were referring to...what are you running?

I run 38-40ish in mine. 235/45/17

I found they got better after a few decent drives.

Would be interested in a follow up after another track day or two John?

[ssxRicho]

ya will keep this updated. this was there first run, so they would be a little 'waxy' i think.

i ran the federals at 38hot, same with the kumho. trying to keep the sidewall up around the corners.

[The Dan]

Please post up your wheel alignment specs

[ssxRicho]

ah bugger, know i missed something.

same on the federals and kumho.

front

height = way too low, would be 20mm lower then the 350mm at least, but want the camber

toe = 1-2mm out

camber = -2 deg ( the most i can get from pedders bush, would love to run more )

castor = unknown

rear

height = way too low, would be 20mm lower then the 350mm at least, have to keep the balance good with the front

toe = level

camber = -1.5 deg