What Tuner Should I Speak To?

[Hanaldo]

Hey all,

I did a quick search but couldn't find much, i was just wanting to know who you guys think i should speak to about tuning my car in the future? I am looking to purchase an engine management system, and i would like to speak to a couple of tuners around Perth so as to get their advice on it.

Basically the plan is to keep the car NA for awhile, until im off my P's atleast, and then turbocharge. So i would like an ECU that can be tuned to get the most from my RB25DE Neo, but can also be retuned when i do the turbo conversion. I wanted to contact a few tuners and find out which of them would do my turbo conversion, and what engine computer they would recommend i use for it, just so that i don't go out and buy an ECU that nobody wants to tune.

Any recommendations/personal experiences would be very helpful.

Thanks,

Martin

[GTS-t VSPEC]

Hi Martin,

You'll get flooded with people suggesting one workshop or another, at the end of the day call some people from this thread, have a chat to them, visit them, and choose someone you feel comfortable with. Opinions are like arseholes, everyones got one

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Co...hr-t191756.html

Cheers

Paul

[bubba]

Opinions are like arseholes, everyones got one

And most of them stink!

[Public Enemy]

ROFL

[Hanaldo]

Lol ok, cheers Paul. I just thought i would ask because someone may have done a turbo conversion with a specific tuner and had good or bad experiences that could be useful to me. I know what you mean about other peoples opinions though lol, when i asked what ECU i should be using awhile ago, i got 50 replies telling me eManage Blue was great, another 50 telling me it was shocking, and another 300000000000000 telling me to sell my car and buy a GTT.

Cheers for the help though

[GTS-t VSPEC]

Yeah, I wasn't trying to put you off asking, but ECU choice alone: PowerFC, Haltech, Motec, NisTune, Vipec, Wolf, Emanage, and so on, let alone when you throw tuners into the equation.

Most of the workshops listed in the thread will easily handle a turbo conversion, some I would use, some I wouldn't, but listing them publically always leads to fights. Feel free to PM a few people who's opinions you trust and ask them, that will cut out much of the rubbish

[monga]

Hey Martin,

I've bought a couple of Emanages over and I had no issues and one which was fitted to a R25 R33 made the same power as the PowerFC would. For the value and price they are reasonable however I'm not sure on the power of the unit and modules to tune the vehicle.

If you are going to the extreme of that I'd suggest converting to one of the R34 GT-T models. However, converting the NA to turbo in mild form is pretty simply and can be handled by the normal Nissan engine management.

[Mr Eps]

or u can just *buy* a turbo ECU like i did

it's cheaper and is plug and play - trust me. after putting a turbo kit on - the last thing you wanna have is the headache of tuning an ECU you will prob just wanna get the thing started...

it's a major mind F*ck.

[Hanaldo]

or u can just *buy* a turbo ECU like i did

it's cheaper and is plug and play - trust me. after putting a turbo kit on - the last thing you wanna have is the headache of tuning an ECU you will prob just wanna get the thing started...

it's a major mind F*ck.

Could you explain in more depth exactly what you have done to your car? Could perhaps help me better... Ive been told by someone who has done this conversion on his R34 that the stock GTT ecu isn't the best option for a turbo conversion as even with a turbo, the ecu will be trying to find signals that a GT+T just won't have

[N I B]

Ive done this conversion for people before, Very easy just use factory GT T parts( ECU, Injectors etc) and keep boost at Wastegate value and you will be fine.

Edited October 15, 2009 by N I B

[Hanaldo]

Ive done this conversion for people before, Very easy just use factory GTS T parts( ECU, Injectors etc) and keep boost at Wastegate value and you will be fine.

Well then i think youre the person to talk too

Will send you a PM

[Mr Eps]

yeah i've done it to RB20 i think my advice is a mootpoint here

but i definately think just swap over with standard DET parts, use enzed / pirtek for plumbing and heater lines etc... personally if i was to go through that again... i would just sell the car and buy a turbo one...

but... given the circumstances of owning a cefiro, i simply couldn't replace it because they're so rare

[two.five]

Pick a ECU first, then the tuner. Lots specialise.

Location like north or south helps too.

[AD4M]

Pick a ECU first, then the tuner. Lots specialise.

Location like north or south helps too.

other way round buddy.. pick your tuner befor you purchase an ecu.

most tuners I know wont touch certain ecu's becuase THEY know if it will work for them to acheive the best result's

would be pointless speding 1k+ on a part to be told they dont want to work with it.

[StealthX]

IMO, choose your tuner before you chose your ECU.

like John Hughes, "Choose you dealer before you choose your car! Absolutely."

[N I B]

R34 NA to Turbo swap really needs functional Knock sensors and the only ECU that has Knock control that really works is Factory so that is the safest option, you have the option of Nistune with Factory Nissan ECUs.

[Mr Eps]

like John Hughes, "Choose you dealer before you choose your car! Absolutely."

HEY.

SHUT UP.

anyway, i will divulge "what i did to my car" cos it's exactly the same thing. purchase the following. turbo, dump, wastegate, manifold, oil lines, intercooler, frontpipe etc. - basically anything that you might need for a turbo bolt on.

little things you should be aware of - as in stuff you should consider BEFORE thinking of a tuner

stainless manifolds are relatively inexpesive. so just upgrade to one of these instead of using the bog ugly standard item. (not important really)

injectors. you need bigger ones. your oens suck. so get better ones. if they're second hand standard DET ones (like i got) get them reconditioned and highflowed by an EFI specialist.

plugs. again. your plugs suck. get better ones.

gearbox. again. your gearbox is gay too. buy a better one.

the reason i suggest to "just go standard ecu"

is because - you're going from an NA engine, and your putting a turbo onto it. your particular engine was not designed to have a forced induction system. but you're putting one on anyway because let's face it, you can't help yourself.

because you're making your car undergo a HUGE CHANGE all at once. by swapping injectors. oil lines. manifolds. cooling systems. ECU's. plugs etc etc etc. you're literally changing your entire system over. you're going to learn a lot in this

but if you go putting SARD 550 inj, FMIC, T07 flange GREDDY E-manage and all this crazy stuff. and you put it all together and turn the key... and it DOESNT WORK (and trus me it won't the first few times) you're going to have a much harder time trying to fix it than you would if you just went "stock parts" then built it up from there.

stock parts are good to learn with - and for the engine itself... as i said, it's a DE motor, meaning it runs at a higher compression rate than a turbo motor. meaning it will have more response and faster boost.

when you first start out you dont wanna put your motor under that much stress

..ps..

trust me

...it's not too late to back out and say "i'm gonna go bowling instead" at this point.

[Hanaldo]

Lol im not doing this conversion tomorrow, its definitely something im spending a lot of time thinking about. Doing a lot of research and asking around, hence why i wanted to speak to a tuner. Thanks for the advice though guys

[Mr Eps]

my advice is.... if you want a turbo car - get a turbo car.. this is a major headache..

the only way i can justify turning an NA skyline turbo

is

if the skyline is

ridiculously well mainained

low kilometres

holds sentimental value / irreplaceable

if one or all of these factors are not met, you would save a lot of money, greycovering hairdye, cut hands, and general years of your life will be added due to less stress

if you..

sell your NA to a Pplater and re-purchase a turbo skyline

R34 skylines aren't uncommon - that's why i did it to my cefiro, is because my car is a rare import and rare to find in the condition it was at the time.

[Traitor7]

Buy a complete 25det neo and drop that in, probably a lot easier. If not, sell your car and buy a gt-t.