R32 Gtr With 300 Kw Or Genuine R32 Gtr N1

[writeoff]

Pretty hard for us to comment without knowing any of the details of these cars or your intentions. I'll refrain from voting for the time being.

To give a considered opinion I need to know what you want the car for and more details. You need to know this as well and whether you have intentions to modify further, return to standard or remain as it is and to you have the $ for maintenance? I've said this many times before but too many people can afford to buy a GTR now and not enough of them can afford to maintain them. I have no idea if you fall into this category but you need to know.

The N1 will probably appreciate in years to come if it is completely stock, has a full service history, has never been crashed and you spend the money maintaining it in original condition. To look at the N1 is no different to many other R32 GTRs. The wheels on the example Chef is promoting have been changed. What else has? Do you know? Are you buying the car as an investment, a daily driver, a weekend fun car or a track weapon?

Do these are two 300kW 'plain' GTRs have steel wheeled turbos, forged internals, service history, twin plate clutches, have they sorted out the oil issue, has the stock suspension been replaced, timing belt?

[JMW]

Thanks guys, you have all raised some really valid points.

The GTR's im looking at are as follows

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/privat...me&__Nne=15

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/privat...me&__Nne=15

And of course the N1 that Kristian has.

I can see everyones point of them all being close on 16yrs old and that its more of a maintainance up keepp with GTR's thats the killer. I figure if i get the N1, it will be restored, km's kept low and never tracked. But if i go with one of the others i can use it a lot more and not have to worry so much about the kilometers or accidents. Either way the up keep on these will be similar, But David raised a really good point about modifications done on the other two, i will have to do my research and contact the owners to find out these details.

Kristians N1 is a very clean car, only mods being wheels and pod filters, slight wear on the drivers seat, but other than that its totally original N1 goodness.

Thanks again for your input guys, i guess it does really come down to what i see as a more practical car, it will not be a daily driver no matter which i choose.

[Madaz]

the white one is awesome and he doesnt drive it much as i have never seen a white GTR up this way only dohmar

just the gear box in the white one would be considerable coin, i also lean towards 320km speedo

EDIT

not asking about your financial status but are you rich enough to own a car and hardly drive it because you don't want to clock up km's

[JMW]

Yeah a few has said the white one would be the go. Think im really going to have to sus both of the GTR's out, Kristian has provided me with some great info on the N1.

Not rich but sensible enough to know that a rare car only sees daylight every so often. Hell i hardly drove the 33, in the 5yrs i had it i only clocked up 50,000km's!

[rad100]

james,

jarrad looked at both of those cars only 2 weeks ago when he was looking for a gtr..

ask him what he thought.

he declined both for a stock gtr. im sure he said something about the straight cut being noisy and would draw BIG attention and the interior of the other one was well lets say not in character.

but yeh ask him he will let u know what he thought when he looked at them

[JMW]

No worries Adrian, thanks for that info mate, will get in contact with him.

[TALBO]

I can see everyones point of them all being close on 16yrs old and that its more of a maintainance up keepp with GTR's thats the killer. I figure if i get the N1, it will be restored, km's kept low and never tracked. But if i go with one of the others i can use it a lot more and not have to worry so much about the kilometers or accidents. Either way the up keep on these will be similar, But David raised a really good point about modifications done on the other two, i will have to do my research and contact the owners to find out these details.

Kristians N1 is a very clean car, only mods being wheels and pod filters, slight wear on the drivers seat, but other than that its totally original N1 goodness.

Thanks again for your input guys, i guess it does really come down to what i see as a more practical car, it will not be a daily driver no matter which i choose.

That's the way I'd be looking at it too and I think that pretty much sums it up regardless of the fact that the N1 is the more desirable (well at least to me) car.

If you had a stock (non limited ed) GTR would you want to mod it and take it to the track? If not, then without question I'd go for the N1.

Just my 1c. Good luck making the decision, I know it can't be easy.

[Fishpaste~]

Thanks guys, you have all raised some really valid points.

The GTR's im looking at are as follows

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/privat...me&__Nne=15

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/privat...me&__Nne=15

And of course the N1 that Kristian has.

I can see everyones point of them all being close on 16yrs old and that its more of a maintainance up keepp with GTR's thats the killer. I figure if i get the N1, it will be restored, km's kept low and never tracked. But if i go with one of the others i can use it a lot more and not have to worry so much about the kilometers or accidents. Either way the up keep on these will be similar, But David raised a really good point about modifications done on the other two, i will have to do my research and contact the owners to find out these details.

Kristians N1 is a very clean car, only mods being wheels and pod filters, slight wear on the drivers seat, but other than that its totally original N1 goodness.

Thanks again for your input guys, i guess it does really come down to what i see as a more practical car, it will not be a daily driver no matter which i choose.

the white one has false KMs and no pic of the engine bay!!! but is worth investigating more as it has the better turbos, also condition of seats/wheel indicate while the KMs are false its still a low-ish km car

I dont think i'd beleive the black car owner... all those mods and its never been tracked?!?!? the mod list screams like a track car, but perhaps it was just a show car that has been hillsed alot?? Hard to tell the exact age as the engine bay has had lots of work done and lots of stuff re-painted, this might indicate that the engine has already had a rebuild. BUT it'll need a 100,000 km service... more $$ (tho u might be able to neg him down a bit coz of it)

i'd personally want more info and pics of the white car before making the decision but in the end seems like the one i'd lean towards, still ask both owners lotsa questions - esp the black one, like what all the mods but no track work? my initial thought was the black car just because of the details listed and its visible condition, but perhaps the white one may turn out to be the better car (hopefully the engine bay might give u a better idea of how it was looked after and a true indication of its KMs)

hope this helps

[Inline 6]

that gtr sign on the speedo is not stock by the way. obviously he's pulled it out at some stage

n whys everyone mention how old the 32 is but then act like the 33 is brand new they were made in sequence you know. at that kinda age i hardly think 2more years is really gonna change much in terms of reliability.

if it really is low k's potentially it could be reliable but yeah anything breaks on the n1 look forward to a potential expensive bill

Edited October 31, 2009 by Inline 6

[Import S13]

buy one or both of my cars for half the price of the others

[J - Rad]

James, I've told you what Weazy and I's impressions of the white R32 were but I won't air them out on here. Just incase someone knows the person. But for a car that would be streeted you wouldn't last very long. Straight cut box, triple plate clutch and HKS GTS-S make Regency your second home.

[writeoff]

IIRC the 1994 R32 GTRs had the crank & oil pick up from the R33 GTR. This is better than the 1989-1993 crank & pick up but does not completely solve the oil issues of the RB26 as even R34 GTRs have spun the big end bearing. It is just less likely that it will go the first time you hit the rev limiter. You will also probably be able to rev the 1994 model slightly higher assuming that all three cars have standard internals (and none have indicated forged pistons, conrods or conrod bolts). I wouldn't say the owners are lying about kms or whether the cars have been tracked or not as they might be telling the truth as far as they know (ie they don't know what previous owners did with the cars in Japan).

I would ask where the cars have been serviced and look at the receipts carefully. I would also ask to get a compression test & mechanical check done before handing over cash.

IMO if you own a GTR and never intend to track it you are committing a crime against yourself and the car. Remember N1s were built to be track day specials.

[rhys5169]

i cant agree with rhys

while 32s are more common, they are slowly getting whittled away

now the question is not which model to pick, its moreso which model is more practical for the goal of the owner

for a track car I personally would never use an N1 - nor would I drive one on the street

why? because its easy to remove parts from a stocker but impossible to replicate historic pedigree to a particular chassis

thats the downside of being a fanboy

dont get me wrong, I'd apply ALL the upgrades the n1 had, however I'd do it to a stock gtr, and i'd do it from the chassis up

Daily Road use vs Track/Tarmac Racing vs Drift vs Show car - loads of variables in all mechanical parts

Many goals and many tweaks. There is no way you can make a single car to fit all applications. Ever. Oh that is excluding those with big wallets who can afford a murcielago and drop another half a mil on upgrades - but hey even then it'll bottom out on an SA road which makes it totally impossible to drive to a fishing charter for example (even without cargo).

I loved the countach until I drove one last month. its a cop of a car. Thats about the sum of it. the way a car looks is not relevant to the way it handles...

-D

lul wut? you cant agree with me because you made no reference what so ever to my post.

i never talked about "daily usage" or "tracking it", i made a simple point of comparison, but whatever...... and yes, 32's are getting whittled away, but a molested 32gtr will hold sweet F all value compared to its stock concourse brethren in years to come.

[SLED]

lul wut? you cant agree with me because you made no reference what so ever to my post.

i never talked about "daily usage" or "tracking it", i made a simple point of comparison, but whatever...... and yes, 32's are getting whittled away, but a molested 32gtr will hold sweet F all value compared to its stock concourse brethren in years to come.

err look again Rhys, he's not agreeing with you,

"i cant agree with rhys"

I think you may have meant "you can't disagree with me"

[D_Stirls]

well it depends on what you want the car for.

If you want the N1 then you want a car to look at mostly and drive occasionally and never mod. If you want to mod a GTR then an N1 is a waste because as soon as you start modding things it isn't an N1 anymore. Before you say that you are happy driving a stock GTR get some people to take you for a drive in their's, 1 stock and 1 modded.

The reason i say this is because i'm used to driving modded cars and i recently drove a mates stock R33 GTR back from melbourne for him and i must say that i was severely disappointed. My mildly modded 180sx would eat a stock GTR any day of the week, they are a very doughy car.

Having said that it doesn't take much to get them to a point where they will beat most, but that means modding.

My vote is for the non-N1 GTR + mods if you want a quick car and the N1 if you like telling people you own an N1.

Personally because i like building and driving quick cars i wouldn't even look at the N1.

Edited October 31, 2009 by D_Stirls

[Dohmar]

+1 on all stirls said

he summed it up well

N1 for museums and for investment

GTR Modded for everything else

-D

[Weezy]

IMO, I would buy the N1 - and do mods to which you can change back for when ever it is time to either sell the car or put it into storage or that type of thing so maybe a set of wheels, exhaust, bit of boost maybe, and some pods whatever because they can all be simply changed come time to return it to stock. Everything else I would leave as per N1 because the chances of being able to get your hands on a mint N1 while you have the cash are pretty slim .

[dark.sky]

But if youre going to change it, even that much just get a regular GTR. The last thing you want is modifications on such a rare piece of automotive history! Think of that car like its a house thats heritage listed lol

[Fishpaste~]

I wouldn't say the owners are lying about kms or whether the cars have been tracked or not as they might be telling the truth as far as they know (ie they don't know what previous owners did with the cars in Japan).

Part of buying used car, to me, is trying to get an accurate idea of the cars history... if the owner of the white car doesnt know its got false KMs then its pritty poor on his behalf (aftermarket speedo automatically = false KMs). What false KMs actually means to the individual buyer will change but it is something you should at least note in your pro/con's of the car.

with regards to the N1, the more you drive it the greater chance things might break and if you blow a turbo or spin the bottom end (drop a valve, do a head gasket, anything that requires major parts to change, perhaps including a 100,000km service) in it you can kiss the whole investment thing goodbye. But on the other hand, if the N1 is a better car than anything else you can find then why not buy it and treat it like any other gtr? sure you might anoy some of the purists but at the end of the day its you car.

[Dohmar]

with regards to the N1, the more you drive it the greater chance things might break and if you blow a turbo or spin the bottom end (drop a valve, do a head gasket, anything that requires major parts to change, perhaps including a 100,000km service) in it you can kiss the whole investment thing goodbye. But on the other hand, if the N1 is a better car than anything else you can find then why not buy it and treat it like any other gtr? sure you might anoy some of the purists but at the end of the day its you car.

And theres a risk of driving an N1 on the road of getting written off by someone elses lack of attention - normal GTR's can be replaced - bit harder to replace an N1 (your insurance would be killer too)

-D