Track Report: Rota Rims And P-cup Slicks..

[Adelaideprosound]

that's fair enough, just trying to show what good quality wheels can take, people need to understand the difference between low and high quality wheels, and understand the difference in terms of real life examples.

Hang on a minute. How can you speak for a quality of any wheel unless you have had it. You have never owned a Rota wheel, neither have i for that matter. I am going with Forgestar, not Rays or Volk but do you see me constantly beating my head against a brick wall trying to say something negative about a product i have never even seen?

Very immature posting from your end, and unless you can back up your posts with some of your own testing of these Rota wheels, i think its time to shut the f**k up.

I can punch letters into Google and bring millions of posts of all kind of failures but i wont, i go by using products myself before i open my big wide trap.

[nisskid]

Hang on a minute. How can you speak for a quality of any wheel unless you have had it. You have never owned a Rota wheel, neither have i for that matter. I am going with Forgestar, not Rays or Volk but do you see me constantly beating my head against a brick wall trying to say something negative about a product i have never even seen?

Very immature posting from your end, and unless you can back up your posts with some of your own testing of these Rota wheels, i think its time to shut the f**k up.

I can punch letters into Google and bring millions of posts of all kind of failures but i wont, i go by using products myself before i open my big wide trap.

Well here's the great thing about information, it's quite versatile, it can in fact be learned and in fact passed between parties, you don't even have to experience it all first hand to acquire said information. Then once you possess this information, you can use it to directly influence your own actions, or even pass it on to another person to help them influence their actions.

See you now live in the time of the greatest information highway, the internet, where there are less and less excuses to be ignorant, i use information from around the world to form an opinion on something, then i pass that opinion onto others. Say what you want about the process, but it worked this time.

[LSX-438]

fact of the matter is nobody actually knows EXACTLY why the rotas cracked on my car. It's mostly piss and wind (even on my part). these arent the only rims that have cracked at the track, and they will not be the last.

[2lazy]

fact of the matter is nobody actually knows EXACTLY why the rotas cracked on my car. It's mostly piss and wind (even on my part). these arent the only rims that have cracked at the track, and they will not be the last.

Its stress from weak materials and poor casting....but thats just piss and wind...untill you get yourself a 3rd opinion from an engineers perspective on how these failed, maybe you could go to a place here that does rims and pay their engineer for his opinion.

Or you could buy another pair with spacers and see how long they will last.

What did rota say?

[mxfly]

Hey LSX,

I have a spare TE37 in 18x10.5+15 lying around somewhere in the garage. Come around and we can fit her on and see what the clearance is. I'm in Wahroonga.

At least you can see for yourself if the TE's are a better option for you. Fyi, I had them on my Z33 a few years ago with Endless 6 pot racing fronts and 370mm rotors and they had more than enough clearance.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b158/mxf...0954_resize.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b158/mxf...0960_resize.jpg

[LSX-438]

Hey LSX,

I have a spare TE37 in 18x10.5+15 lying around somewhere in the garage. Come around and we can fit her on and see what the clearance is. I'm in Wahroonga.

At least you can see for yourself if the TE's are a better option for you. Fyi, I had them on my Z33 a few years ago with Endless 6 pot racing fronts and 370mm rotors and they had more than enough clearance.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b158/mxf...0954_resize.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b158/mxf...0960_resize.jpg

Many thanks for that, the 15mm offset is for the rear, the calipers are smaller and there is no clearance issues on the rear. It's the front (25~30mm offset) which i need to try.

[mxfly]

Many thanks for that, the 15mm offset is for the rear, the calipers are smaller and there is no clearance issues on the rear. It's the front (25~30mm offset) which i need to try.

Np mate, I have 18x9.5+30 (I think), if you want to try that out you're most welcome.

[LSX-438]

Np mate, I have 18x9.5+30 (I think), if you want to try that out you're most welcome.

that would be great, i will send PM, many thx

[Adelaideprosound]

Well here's the great thing about information, it's quite versatile, it can in fact be learned and in fact passed between parties, you don't even have to experience it all first hand to acquire said information. Then once you possess this information, you can use it to directly influence your own actions, or even pass it on to another person to help them influence their actions.

See you now live in the time of the greatest information highway, the internet, where there are less and less excuses to be ignorant, i use information from around the world to form an opinion on something, then i pass that opinion onto others. Say what you want about the process, but it worked this time.

Well you can sit here and debate the atoms and molecules of products made in china and products SUPPOSEDLY made in Japan, because even though you seem well versed on the internet geek tactics, i can tell you SAFELY that most of your Japan made products are actually engineered in Japan and made in Taiwan as a blank item before it goes to Japan and the stickers and Logos get put on. And all this happens due to a confidentiality clause in the signed contract between the company and factory.

How i know this? Well im a stupid dumb ass that chooses not to sit on the internet but make money instead, because according to you people that can afford GTR's and the like are not smart just because they have money. So this dumb ass has actually travelled in these places and i know what happens.

Since your so smart go make your own money use the internet for something more than TIME WASTING and stop posting heresay instead get the product use it and then bitch about it and then show us that you have a brain not only to just talk shit but to also make money. Because according to you making money doesnt require a brain so you should be a gazillionaire in no time.

And instead of using sentences that i have to decipher why not be upfront with what your saying.

Oh and here are my cars, gtr uses Volk TE37 Progressive in 19x10.5 +15 and the Supra uses Work Seeker 18x9, 18x10 +15

So before you call me a cheap ass, ask me how much the rims on the gtr cost.

Edited June 12, 2010 by Adelaideprosound

[FineLine]

So before you call me a cheap ass, ask me how much the rims on the gtr cost.

More than the combined value of both of his cars.

Or, Perhaps you could tell him they cost a gazillionty dollars and because he read it on the great super highway of information it will be an irrefutable truth.

[nisskid]

More than the combined value of both of his cars.

Or, Perhaps you could tell him they cost a gazillionty dollars and because he read it on the great super highway of information it will be an irrefutable truth.

cool, keep up your theory of money buys smarts, it destroys any credibility you had for anyone with half a clue and in turn helps my argument.

[nisskid]

Well you can sit here and debate the atoms and molecules of products made in china and products SUPPOSEDLY made in Japan, because even though you seem well versed on the internet geek tactics, i can tell you SAFELY that most of your Japan made products are actually engineered in Japan and made in Taiwan as a blank item before it goes to Japan and the stickers and Logos get put on. And all this happens due to a confidentiality clause in the signed contract between the company and factory.

How i know this? Well im a stupid dumb ass that chooses not to sit on the internet but make money instead, because according to you people that can afford GTR's and the like are not smart just because they have money. So this dumb ass has actually travelled in these places and i know what happens.

Since your so smart go make your own money use the internet for something more than TIME WASTING and stop posting heresay instead get the product use it and then bitch about it and then show us that you have a brain not only to just talk shit but to also make money. Because according to you making money doesnt require a brain so you should be a gazillionaire in no time.

And instead of using sentences that i have to decipher why not be upfront with what your saying.

Oh and here are my cars, gtr uses Volk TE37 Progressive in 19x10.5 +15 and the Supra uses Work Seeker 18x9, 18x10 +15

So before you call me a cheap ass, ask me how much the rims on the gtr cost.

oh, highimpact, k. lol

before you embarrass yourself, check ur facts, my last 2 wheels have been italian and german, built in germany and italy, not in taiwan, not in japan. before that? yes japanese, volk gt-p's, forged disk, spun rim, made at one of these locations (the forging factories)

Headquarters

7-11-12 Nagayoshi Deto, Hirano-ku, Osaka-shi, Osaka

Yao factory

4-4-17 Minamikamei-cho, Yao-shi, Osaka

Second factory

2-3-15 Minaminocho, Atobe, Yao-shi, Osaka

Nara factory

Nara Kogyodanchi, Techno-park, Sumikawa-cho, Gojo-shi, Nara

i have no allegiances to japan, i base products on their own merit, hence my car is made up of parts from over 10 different countries. i agree that most wheels branded with japanese companies are built in china/taiwan, your point? rays are not built in a mass production chinese factory, cheap, with a bunch of other brands, they are built in-house in their own factories.

[Adelaideprosound]

cool, keep up your theory of money buys smarts, it destroys any credibility you had for anyone with half a clue and in turn helps my argument.

Once again if you know anything about me, you will know that i dont give a toss about any kind of credibility on the interweb. Its full of people like you. As i said i am giving you an example of my two current cars, and what they have on them. Before that if i were to list the countless Work, Volk, BBS, Forgeline, CCW that i have had, bro i had more wheels than you had hot dinners.

And what i said SMART PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO MAKE MONEY hence the cars they drive, i didnt say THEIR MONEY BUYS THEM BRAINS.

So since your so smart why is your rear bumper falling off that 32. Isnt that dangerous.

And once again before you start sounding like an even bigger wanker, as i said i dare you to find one factory in Japan that doesnt outsource their product. Obviously they still have their factories but these days they are mainly used for quality control and sticking badges on the parts that come in from Taiwan.

And also since your so smart, Taiwan has a higher level of quality control than China, two different countries, China doesnt have a licence to build OEM brakes for cars whereas Taiwan has.

[Adriano]

I think it may be an interesting test to see if the hardness of the front spokes have changed relative to the rears(or a new rim) easily tested non destructively. Maybe the heat of the brakes(which due to this only happening to the front wheels) has affected the heat treatment and made them brittle. Most cylinder head shops(NAS at thornleigh) have one for checking if heads have gone soft.

[nisskid]

Once again if you know anything about me, you will know that i dont give a toss about any kind of credibility on the interweb. Its full of people like you. As i said i am giving you an example of my two current cars, and what they have on them. Before that if i were to list the countless Work, Volk, BBS, Forgeline, CCW that i have had, bro i had more wheels than you had hot dinners.

And what i said SMART PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO MAKE MONEY hence the cars they drive, i didnt say THEIR MONEY BUYS THEM BRAINS.

So since your so smart why is your rear bumper falling off that 32. Isnt that dangerous.

And once again before you start sounding like an even bigger wanker, as i said i dare you to find one factory in Japan that doesnt outsource their product. Obviously they still have their factories but these days they are mainly used for quality control and sticking badges on the parts that come in from Taiwan.

And also since your so smart, Taiwan has a higher level of quality control than China, two different countries, China doesnt have a licence to build OEM brakes for cars whereas Taiwan has.

firstly, look at who the money buying smarts post is directed at, FineLine. afaik, you're not FineLine.

2ndly, why are you trying to turn this into a pissing match? try and have an argument where you just argue your point, i dont care about how many wheels uve had, why is that relevant? from what it looks like, your basically saying that you only buy good brand wheels, if anything, shouldn't that make you on my side? lol

and no, the rear bar protruding from the standard position, but still being secured properly is not dangerous, relevance?

as far as taiwan vs china, ill have to quote from an earlier post in 2009:

taiwan is better than china, but its kind of like getting syphilis and being happy u didnt get aids.

yes taiwan is better, relevance?

as i said i dare you to find one factory in Japan that doesnt outsource their product.

thanks to a pm that was sent to me with this quote:

MADE in JAPAN

Decisive advantages result in winning wheels.

Complete confidence won from painstaking Japanese industrial skills.

Made in Japan is also integral to the decisive appeal of RAYS. It underlies confidence in RAYS wheels as winning wheels and drives the growth of RAYS in the aftermarket. Made in Japan creates more value than cost saving that might come from overseas production. Keeping production in Japan ensures speedy development, efficient decision making, and enables the management of the company to stay in tip-top condition. RAYS believes that Made in Japan will remain a decisive advantage through the coming generation.

RAYS possesses plenty of advanced forging equipment, including a world-leading 10,000-ton forging press. At the same time, to remarkably improve the performance of cast wheels, the company rapidly established patented wheel-making technologies such as RCF forming and RM8000 forging methods. Along with highly efficient manufacturing processes, these exclusive technologies have enabled the production of wheels with superior performance and extremely fine quality. RAYS can offer a variety of styles and sizes owing to its advanced technology and expertise. This has enabled RAYS forged wheels and sports cast wheels to establish a reputation as supreme products in the aftermarket for wheels. Besides taking pride in its Made in Japan policy, RAYS is also proud that, from design to manufacture, all its wheels are completely produced by RAYS. This goes for the company’s won brands and its OEM products. It is true for all types, from inexpensive cast wheels to custom-made forged magnesium wheels for racing.

RAYS is able to add so much value to its products because of the success of RAYS racing wheels and by employing exclusive methods at advanced production facilities maintained entirely within Japan. This has allowed the company to consolidate a system to stably supply the market and earn the trust of buyers ranging from end users to corporations.

summing up, you argued a point which wasnt directed at you, you then argued 3 completely irrelevant points, then you argued a point that's just completely factually untrue, and has just been proven wrong.

[Adelaideprosound]

And once again you rely on pm and email. Man do you just beleive everything thats written, for gods sake.

Anyway what i am saying is, ur posting up photos of your cars and telling us how shit hot they are, i posted my cars to tell you im being unbiased towards any product. Hence why i am not here using my cars as an example to say Rota is shit. I dont know because i have never had a set.

And since your not old enough i remember the days when people used to say DONT BUY MADE IN JAPAN. How has that changed.

Once again i will try to bring my point across a little clearer, as a businessman that has travelled a lot take it from me anything you buy from Japan these days ask where its actually coming from. Because the company will always say that they make it, due to the fact they have signed confidentiality contracts with their manufacturers. I can go to Taiwan and buy you an identical product unbadged that also comes out of a Japanese tunings house, and can also test both products to show you they are the same right down to metal breakdown.

But anyway im arguing because your bagging the product but you know nothing about it.

Edited June 13, 2010 by Adelaideprosound

[nisskid]

nd once again you realy on what you got in a pm or20. w0mai0

http://www.rays-msc.com/html/concept.html

[nisskid]

Anyway what i am saying is, ur posting up photos of your cars and telling us how shit hot they are

pics of my car? where? i posted a link to my cars to prove that i dont run copy items, as thats what i was being accused of. completely relevant.

And since your not old enough i remember the days when people used to say DONT BUY MADE IN JAPAN. How has that changed.

its changed because we are no longer at war with them... you being old enough as to remember that period, should also remember the reason people didnt buy products from japan were due to that little grudge we australians held from that whole killing each other and having our own soil bombed thing.

Once again i will try to bring my point across a little clearer, as a businessman that has travelled a lot take it from me anything you buy from Japan these days ask where its actually coming from. Because the company will always say that they make it, due to the fact they have signed confidentiality contracts with their manufacturers. I can go to Taiwan and buy you an identical product unbadged that also comes out of a Japanese tunings house, and can also test both products to show you they are the same right down to metal breakdown.

wow, weird, i guess all those big factories i saw in Japan are big fronts. yes a lot outsource to china and taiwan, to say they all do is naive however. even then, thats not to say all companies that outsource are shit, R&D, design and intellectual property play huge roles, but each product is different, each product requires different balances between design and manufacturing to achieve what is considered a quality product, wheels for example rely heavily on the manufacturing for the quality of the product.

[Adelaideprosound]

shakes head

[Chris Rogers]

APS ,

give up