R35 Gtr Or F360 F1?

[666-GTR]

gtr

[GT-R32]

Whilst it is nice you are quoting figures, I have say that Wikipedia is not what I would be quoting to back up performance figures.

Road tests for this car ranged from 4.3 to 4.5 (More commonly 4.5) for the 0 - 60 sprint.

Either way we are comparing vastly different cars, either way I would not be using Wiki for my sole resource as to what is right and wrong.

It wasn't a sole resource, merely an indicative example for all those bashing the 10yo F360 for being 'slow'. I also noted the record holder at WP.

[Birds]

Wikipedia isn't the only source that details similar times to those he posted.

[Smitty213]

gtr by far

[Drift Motorsport]

Drive both and make your own assumptions. Who gives a sh.it about what some computer geek, who cant afford either car, writes on a forum? The majority of the people on the road could not GIVE A F.uCK what you drive. Never buy a car to get the look of others - buy a car to satisfy your own needs.

Whilst in Japan, get the Ferrari and buy the GTR when you're back in Australia when its about 80k. The 360 Modena will not go under 100k in 5 years, where the GTR could due to depreciation. Use your noggin and generate a depreciation chart, features vs benefits analysis of both to make an informed decision.

Alternatively, you can grey import F360s from the UK, SA, HK and ASIA for around 100k at todays prices. Australia has high car prices due to Luxury Car Tax an the fact that we are at the arse end of the world. LCT should be abolished - it is punishing people who have worked hard to earn a better ride with better safety features.

IMO the GTR will always be a Nissan regardless of its performance. Just like Lexus will always play second fiddle to the Euro Giants BMW and Merc in the luxury market, the prestige of the marque and 'badge' street cred will always have the euro cars higher than the Japanese cars. Both cars are special, but the F360 is sex on wheels and the GTR is a high performance gadget that will keep you amused for years.

I've owned and driven comparable lexus and BMW cars and Lexus has my vote for making a car that is not a POS, uses excellent materials and will last a long time - enough to hand down to your son. BMW make a nicely deigned car with some flawed engineering in the electronic and suspension department and their engines can be a bit fragile when pushed hard.

If you want to race and really daily drive a performance car - the GTR is something that should not let you down. The F360 is like an Italian Supermodel - always needs attention, money and work and doesnt want to be pushed hard without the right maintenance. Buy the one that suits our needs now and buy the other when you can afford it. Its a lot harder to make 100k the first time, but easier the 2nd and 3rd time.

Keep in mind that both cars will always be around and depreciate heavily - there is no great rush to get into it right now, especially with the improvements to the next gen GTR and hopefully a gearbox update.

Disclaimer: This is my e-opinion. If you disagree, tough. If you are dumb enough to argue about what someone else should buy for themselves, with their own money, my flame suit is waiting

[Martin Donnon]

especially with the improvements to the next gen GTR and hopefully a gearbox update.

The GTR gearbox is fine, and easily fixable

Much simpler and cheaper to fix than a Ferrari transmission I would expect

[dav0001]

that Ferrari is damn sexy

[Birds]

Drive both and make your own assumptions. Who gives a sh.it about what some computer geek, who cant afford either car, writes on a forum? The majority of the people on the road could not GIVE A F.uCK what you drive. Never buy a car to get the look of others - buy a car to satisfy your own needs.

Your name rings a bell...think I bought my Calibra off your sister Sally? Like 6 years ago lol?

Like many a thread in this section, and on this website for that matter, there wasn't really an answer to the OP's question...nor was much consideration going to be given towards our answers. So I don't think you need to tell him to do what he's already putting into practice, because it's more of a "look what I can buy proposition" than a question. And in return we get to feel important as if we're somehow influencing it

As for on the road...well it's true that other people don't actually care about the person driving it, only the car itself...but there's nothing wrong with buying a car to get the looks of others. For some that is their own need: the need for status. It's quite legitimate there are tons of people out there who utilise a car as an accessory (myself included) in the same way that we wear clothes (dress to impress etc.). But I agree with the rest of what you say about these cars and their values/purposes.

[Kujotk]

everyone on this forum buys a car partly due to how people will percieve them in the car..... if we didn't then we'd all be driving the cheapest reliable car money can buy (1970's carolla anyone?) you can make that go faster than anything, it does the job of A-B quite fine, and with some tinkering it can drift better than most mildly tuned S15's.

We are all influenced by peer pressure or how other people will perceive us, if we didn't we wouldn't have an economy or society like we do today.

And if anyone says otherwise tell them Uncle Tom said to stop being knobs

[iamhe77]

everyone on this forum buys a car partly due to how people will percieve them in the car..... if we didn't then we'd all be driving the cheapest reliable car money can buy (1970's carolla anyone?) you can make that go faster than anything, it does the job of A-B quite fine, and with some tinkering it can drift better than most mildly tuned S15's.

We are all influenced by peer pressure or how other people will perceive us, if we didn't we wouldn't have an economy or society like we do today.

And if anyone says otherwise tell them Uncle Tom said to stop being knobs

Can't say that I share that opinion Tom and I am pretty sure there are a few others that would also disagree.

Now, I don't drive a Ferrari, Porsche, Maserati or the like and I couldn't give 2 ounces of bat shit what anyone thinks about my car.

I bought my Stagea because I wanted a reasonably fun turbo charged car that is practical and has AWD.

If I was interested in status, I would have bought an Autech 260RS as it is known as a "GTR Wagon".

If I influenced by peer pressure, I would have bought an RB powered C34 Stagea.

Turns out a bought my car because it suited my needs perfectly, I like how it looks and I much preferred the interior over the older models and Toyota Caldina.

Maybe if less people were influenced by peer pressure or how others perceive them, society on the whole would be much more interesting.

[Kujotk]

if i wasn't interested in status and i had a choice of a stagea for performance, practicality and AWD, i'd choose a subaru liberty mainly because you'll always find parts and it has all the things the stagea has for a much better price (not saying the subaru is better, but it ticks the same boxes). Does exactly the same job, but even if your not consciously thinking it or want to admit it, there are a few cars that are on par with the stagea in every respect.... only difference is they are more rare and you would always know you are one of a few...

there will be people who say they don't give a shit what other people think, but let me ask you, why an import car when their are suitable alternative already in the country? do you own any brand named things that you could have got much cheaper without the brand name being on the product like Nike or logitech?

It's not an attack on you, but in reality very very few people don't give a shit what other people think about them, the people that truely don't care what peers think of them are literally the people you don't see, they have no need to be seen by other people. the car is an extension of a persons personality if you like it or not, the only reason we get haircuts and look in a mirror every now and then is to make sure you don't look like an idiot to the greater majority.

Everybody cares what other people think about themselves, the only difference is the degree of how much it controlls their lives.

Also thats the main reason the economy has been going shit the last couple of years, but its also why the economy was going great for the 10 years prior and will probably go great again for another 10 years after...

Peer pressure isn't always a bad thing, if there weren't laws, what would stop you from punching your next door neighbour in the face? The fact that other people may not stand for it, they will think differently of you? sure its an exageration, and their are plenty of other factors, but peers are an influence, and always have been since nomadic tribes of human beings...

Thats the fact

[On Edge]

Women are not really cluey about which car is which unless she is a car nut.

lmao yeah right they'd probably mistake a ferrari for a camry hey.... lmao you cant be serious

[iamhe77]

if i wasn't interested in status and i had a choice of a stagea for performance, practicality and AWD, i'd choose a subaru liberty mainly because you'll always find parts and it has all the things the stagea has for a much better price (not saying the subaru is better, but it ticks the same boxes). Does exactly the same job, but even if your not consciously thinking it or want to admit it, there are a few cars that are on par with the stagea in every respect.... only difference is they are more rare and you would always know you are one of a few...

there will be people who say they don't give a shit what other people think, but let me ask you, why an import car when their are suitable alternative already in the country? do you own any brand named things that you could have got much cheaper without the brand name being on the product like Nike or logitech?

Whilst the Liberty is a nice car, the model I liked at the time came with a higher price tag. The other issue stopping me from buying one is I have never really been a huge fan of Subaru's (just a personal thing).... Can't think of another turbo AWD wagon around the 20k mark that was AUS delivered.

To (sorta) answer your question, it is not a price tag point. I am much more interested in the quality of the product, what goes into it and how suitable it is for what I will be using it for.

No Logitech in my house and I think I only have 1 Nike T-shirt

Can't really think of any brand name I would buy just to have/wear that brand name.... Nope, not one, and I actually did think about that one for a while.

It's not an attack on you, but in reality very very few people don't give a shit what other people think about them, the people that truely don't care what peers think of them are literally the people you don't see, they have no need to be seen by other people. the car is an extension of a persons personality if you like it or not, the only reason we get haircuts and look in a mirror every now and then is to make sure you don't look like an idiot to the greater majority.

Everybody cares what other people think about themselves, the only difference is the degree of how much it controlls their lives.

That's cool, didn't take it as an attack.

Help me understand, what do you mean by "the people that truely don't care what peers think of them are literally the people you don't see"?

Just because you are "seen" by others doesn't mean you have a need to be "seen".

I do agree very much that a car is an extension of a persons personality. All the more reason for people to buy what they want and not what will make their peers jealous... unless or course, that is what gets them off.

lol... Haircuts? nah, just get the Mrs to shave it as I just don't see the point of going to a hairdresser/barber.... Maybe I am missing something?

Peer pressure isn't always a bad thing, if there weren't laws, what would stop you from punching your next door neighbour in the face? The fact that other people may not stand for it, they will think differently of you? sure its an exageration, and their are plenty of other factors, but peers are an influence, and always have been since nomadic tribes of human beings...

Thats the fact

My own morality.

I am a pretty laid back guy and will tolerate a lot, but if I am given reason enough to punch my neighbour in the face, then a punch to the face he will get.

I understand what you are saying with this example, Tom but the decision would be based on my perception of the situation and certainly not on what others may think.

Cannot argue with your fact, but I feel that for the vast majority it is a shame that it is so.

Having said that, there have always been "outcasts" which, in certain times were merely free thinkers/believers who bucked the ideals of the time.

Without excessive peer influence, maybe there would have been more of this throughout history let alone in society today?

[Kujotk]

Whilst the Liberty is a nice car, the model I liked at the time came with a higher price tag. The other issue stopping me from buying one is I have never really been a huge fan of Subaru's (just a personal thing).... Can't think of another turbo AWD wagon around the 20k mark that was AUS delivered.

To (sorta) answer your question, it is not a price tag point. I am much more interested in the quality of the product, what goes into it and how suitable it is for what I will be using it for.

No Logitech in my house and I think I only have 1 Nike T-shirt

Can't really think of any brand name I would buy just to have/wear that brand name.... Nope, not one, and I actually did think about that one for a while.

That's cool, didn't take it as an attack.

Help me understand, what do you mean by "the people that truely don't care what peers think of them are literally the people you don't see"?

Just because you are "seen" by others doesn't mean you have a need to be "seen".

I do agree very much that a car is an extension of a persons personality. All the more reason for people to buy what they want and not what will make their peers jealous... unless or course, that is what gets them off.

lol... Haircuts? nah, just get the Mrs to shave it as I just don't see the point of going to a hairdresser/barber.... Maybe I am missing something?

My own morality.

I am a pretty laid back guy and will tolerate a lot, but if I am given reason enough to punch my neighbour in the face, then a punch to the face he will get.

I understand what you are saying with this example, Tom but the decision would be based on my perception of the situation and certainly not on what others may think.

Cannot argue with your fact, but I feel that for the vast majority it is a shame that it is so.

Having said that, there have always been "outcasts" which, in certain times were merely free thinkers/believers who bucked the ideals of the time.

Without excessive peer influence, maybe there would have been more of this throughout history let alone in society today?

hahaha all good, guess you could very well fit into the "outcasts" as you put it. I don't know you and have never met you so I was only having to try and find the most common ways people express how they want to be seen by others but wouldn't really think of it like they are trying to, like haircuts and what not... I wouldn't call those types of people outcasts though... as you said, if society wasn't so obsessed about other people, we would most probably be living in a much better world than we are at the moment.

For thousands of years humans have been obsessed with how others see themselves, it is very very mainstream so many generations down the track...

Oh and I was refereing to the monks and nuns who are the people who really don't care how they are seen by mortal humans, they only tend to care what God, Budda, Ganesh ect... think of them.

So basically we are both right, just depends on how you view certain things in life aye?

[Kujotk]

lmao yeah right they'd probably mistake a ferrari for a camry hey.... lmao you cant be serious

if a woman doesn't know what a Ferrari is, then she's not of legal age lol, and get the hell out of there...

[On Edge]

if a woman doesn't know what a Ferrari is, then she's not of legal age lol, and get the hell out of there...

lol true hey

[Harey]

Yes the R35 is good value compared to other new supercars, but if you want real value get a $18k R32 gtr, throw $50-70k into it, for under 100k it WILL eat anything else on the road lol, all depends if you want a stupidly fast car, or a fast car with class

Yeah in a straight line the R32 GTR will beat the R35 GTR but not on the track. At sandown a multitude of quick cars had a go at an R35 GTR including big hp R32 and R33 GTR's and they were no match for the R35 GTR.

[Delta.]

Ferrari.... because its not a datsun

[Kujotk]

Ferrari.... because its not a datsun

[Kujotk]

Yeah in a straight line the R32 GTR will beat the R35 GTR but not on the track. At sandown a multitude of quick cars had a go at an R35 GTR including big hp R32 and R33 GTR's and they were no match for the R35 GTR.

but an r32 with a driver that can handle it, right suspension set up can beat an r35 around the track, all depends who is driving what and how heavily modded they are (and if they are set up good).

But on the whole any idiot can jump into the r35 and look decent driving it since all you have to do is steer it and the car does the rest, not really that fun though, the bullet trains are fun and fast the first time you go on them, then after a while they are boring and predictable. Still bloody fast but boring