Want New Brakes (including Calipers) For R33 Gts-t.

[Spunky Munky]

Hi fellas,

It's time for me to upgrade my brakes. I want new everything - new brake pads, calipers, rotors the lot - the only thing I will leave is obviously the brake disc.

However, I do not want to go Brembos for two simple reasons; 1) they are too expensive - I'm aware a new set would cost around $8K. I've seen a few alternatives out there. Can you some please remind me some good types and where to get them from.

If you have pictures of what they look like on your car, please also post them up. I've through with all the cosmetics on the car, e.g. Bodykits, wheels etc, it's now time for the performance, so I want to have good braking to handle the increase in power that I'm endeavouring to increase.

I was thinking of going for the APP 6-pot brake calipers. However, $4,800 is still a bit steep. Any slightly cheaper alternatives that run around the $3K mark?

Thanks.

http://www.nengun.com/app/brake-caliper-kit-6-pot

[Moodles2]

I've read people have had alot of success with the D4/G2 brake kits in their Skylines.

[DaGr81]

Forget new

Pick up some Porsche cayenne 6 pistons for 1k the fronts then add rotors,pads and lines then new mounts that should do 3k me thinks, yellow Porsche callipers are hot!

[mad082]

ummm, you do realise that rotor and disc are the same thing yeah? you can't get new rotors and keep the old discs, LOL.

[Spunky Munky]

Forget new

Pick up some Porsche cayenne 6 pistons for 1k the fronts then add rotors,pads and lines then new mounts that should do 3k me thinks, yellow Porsche callipers are hot!

I was thinking of this too - also used AMG ones...where to get these from?

[Spunky Munky]

ummm, you do realise that rotor and disc are the same thing yeah? you can't get new rotors and keep the old discs, LOL.

Not going to pretend to be an expert on brakes mate...no I didn't realise that actually...so when people upgrade their brakes...it's just the calipers and the pad or what else?

[SLY-25T]

i havent seen too many people upgrade the calipers unless its being used for track days and stuff. heard that the skyline standard calipers are pretty sufficient at doing their job. people mainly change discs and pads, braided lines and new fluid.

these look pretty good http://www.shiftperformance.com.au/product...cts_name=Nashin 330mm Upgrade S15/R33&category_name=Brake Upgrades

come with braided lines, bigger discs and the mounting brackets for standard caliper.

but as shane said, porsche would be good or you can use these http://www.rocketindustries.com.au/descrip...?partno=PWR9023

Edited November 11, 2009 by SLY-25T

[scathing]

How big are your wheels? Your brakes can only be as big as what will fit under your rims.

How much power are you aiming for? Kudos for doing support mods before ramping up the power.

What is your intended use for the car? I'm assuming if you riced up the car first, you're not planning on attacking the track every weekend in it.

JustJap used to sell G4/D2 brakes, which have had positive reviews on here by people who use them for actual motorsport use. I can't find them on JustJap's site now, but they sell "K Sport" kits for the same price. Which are also around $2000 per pair. I have yet to find a review of them yet.

Alternatively, used OEM isn't a bad idea. OEM Brembos off a R34 GT-R / 350Z / V35 Skyline will fit under 17" wheels, and provide reasonable performance as long as you're not making a shitload of power and using the car on the circuit. They're going for around $2K front and rear, last I checked.

OEM Evo Brembo brakes are apparently cheaper than OEM Nissan Brembos, and still work reasonably well. I haven't really looked though.

The V36 370GT Sport Skyline and 370Z run a 14.1" rotor with massive calipers from the factory. I've seen pics of one person in the US destroy the dust boots on the track (thanks to craved), but for normal use they'll do fine and the size will fill out a 18" wheels. Riverside Infiniti in the US sells them for a not a great deal. Maybe $2.5K for a full kit front and rear, if I remember correctly. Add shipping and the cost for custom brackets, and you might be up $4K for OEM quality big brakes.

[scathing]

i havent seen too many people upgrade the calipers unless its being used for track days and stuff.

I got OEM Brembos off a 350Z courtesy of someone upgrading to a Project Mu setup for AutoSalon.

It happens more than you'd think.

Small rotors and calipers don't fill out huge diameter wheels, and weight (even unsprung) is a good thing to hold your car in place while you stand next to it, or as you roll down Chapel St.

[SLY-25T]

Small rotors and calipers don't fill out huge diameter wheels, and weight (even unsprung) is a good thing to hold your car in place while you stand next to it, or as you roll down Chapel St.

lol true that Alan. I was simply speaking from experience in seeing pics of lines still with standard calipers, just upgraded dics pads and lines. But, as you asked, it all depends on the purpose of them.

[alr33x]

ummm, you do realise that rotor and disc are the same thing yeah? you can't get new rotors and keep the old discs, LOL.

becos that was helpful...

[scathing]

lol true that Alan. I was simply speaking from experience in seeing pics of lines still with standard calipers, just upgraded dics pads and lines. But, as you asked, it all depends on the purpose of them.

Yeah, I'd agree. There's nothing wrong with stock brakes using upgraded consumables on most light tune cars that aren't getting raced.

And big brakes, in general, aren't going to provide you with that much more decelerative ability than the stock ones unless you're decelerating forcefully on a frequent basis.

The cheapest braking solution for someone who is primarily interested in aesthetics would be:

1. Buy these "caliper upgrades"

2. Knock up the same kind of rotor shields that Honda uses on the back of their their Civic Type-R

Edited November 11, 2009 by scathing

[Spunky Munky]

Thanks all...you guys have been great...to respond in general to some questions raised...

I have 18 inch rims with 25mm adapter spacers on both front and rear. I am aiming to make around 275 kws at the wheels. I don't take my car to the track, but I'm considering brake upgrades because I may be doing this next year and I just want added safety to be honest.

From what I've read here, so you guys think just some upgrades to the existing stock calipers would be sufficient, i.e. pads and lines?

Thanks.

[Spunky Munky]

How big are your wheels? Your brakes can only be as big as what will fit under your rims.

How much power are you aiming for? Kudos for doing support mods before ramping up the power.

What is your intended use for the car? I'm assuming if you riced up the car first, you're not planning on attacking the track every weekend in it.

JustJap used to sell G4/D2 brakes, which have had positive reviews on here by people who use them for actual motorsport use. I can't find them on JustJap's site now, but they sell "K Sport" kits for the same price. Which are also around $2000 per pair. I have yet to find a review of them yet.

Alternatively, used OEM isn't a bad idea. OEM Brembos off a R34 GT-R / 350Z / V35 Skyline will fit under 17" wheels, and provide reasonable performance as long as you're not making a shitload of power and using the car on the circuit. They're going for around $2K front and rear, last I checked.

OEM Evo Brembo brakes are apparently cheaper than OEM Nissan Brembos, and still work reasonably well. I haven't really looked though.

The V36 370GT Sport Skyline and 370Z run a 14.1" rotor with massive calipers from the factory. I've seen pics of one person in the US destroy the dust boots on the track (thanks to craved), but for normal use they'll do fine and the size will fill out a 18" wheels. Riverside Infiniti in the US sells them for a not a great deal. Maybe $2.5K for a full kit front and rear, if I remember correctly. Add shipping and the cost for custom brackets, and you might be up $4K for OEM quality big brakes.

Hi mate,

Many thanks for your help!

Yes, I did a search on Justjap's website and found those K-Sport ones you spoke about...sent them an email for more info...if all things fail, I might look for a set of OEM Nissan Brembos. However, would would on 18 inch wheels?

Thanks.

[TR33GT-001]

Gday,

I think a more practical solution is to replace your rotors with decent slotted items and use decent brake pads.

From the changes I made to my car, I think that the stopping performance has been bettered by around 50%.

DBA slotted rotors and Bendix Ultimate pads.

See the attached data.

You might find this upgrade a lot more cost effective.

Jim

R33_Disc_Brake_Rotors.pdf

R33_Bendix_Brake_Pads.pdf

[mad082]

becos that was helpful...

someone had to tell him. so what if i added LOL at the end. i have been more useful in this thread than you.........

[DRD-00F]

I agree with what half the people here are saying. I was looking at upgrading brakes, and I did. I did rotors, pads and fluid. My stopping power was MILES ahead of what it was previously. It was quite inexpensive too.

I would start with slotted rotors and decent brake pads first, give that a try. Then, if it's still not enough, buy some GTR Brembos or something.

Even a year after doing this mod, I was still under estimating my braking at the clubs motorkhana where we had a Go-To-Whoa. I stopped up short every single time...

[Spunky Munky]

Gday,

I think a more practical solution is to replace your rotors with decent slotted items and use decent brake pads.

From the changes I made to my car, I think that the stopping performance has been bettered by around 50%.

DBA slotted rotors and Bendix Ultimate pads.

See the attached data.

You might find this upgrade a lot more cost effective.

Jim

Thanks Jim....I think I will go down this path...I really want to feel safe when braking...so will definitely do this, I think!

Thanks mate! May I ask how much all this ended up costing you and where did you get it done?

Thanks.

[SLY-25T]

theres constantly an RDA slotted disc group buy going and theres a group buy thing for QFM pads too. unsure of where to get the braided lines though.

i plan to eventually go down this road when funds allow

[gotRICE?]

Id say that with 275rwkw you wouldnt need to change calipers.

R33 GTSt's OMHO are quite over-braked from factory. Even TT Supras dont have twin piston rear calipers.

I changed my brakes in a wierd way. Like, changing things to see/feel the difference each time to see what was working the best. Just started tracking the car with the stock setup and some 'race' pads, and upgraded fluid. (RBF 600 i think).

Didnt get fade as such, but just decreased braking ofter a few laps.

Warped the rotors in the end, so changed to some Zonellis.

The increase in stopping power and bite was un-believable. Stayed with the same pads, and flud. I couldnt believe the change. And the pads arent even hard core race pads. At one stage i thought i got fade, so i pressed the pedal harder and almost hit the windscreen lol.

I was braking later from 200km/h on street tires, than an EF Civic on semi-slicks.

Another cheaper option for more stoppage would be a big rotor kit. There are places that make an adaptor kit for a 320mm rotor with the stock caliper. A great way to better the stop power is by moving the bite further out. Depend on what your into i guess in the end

So i can stil get better pads, braided lines and better fluid before attempting lager rotors and/or calipers. Maybe even a master cylinder brace. So much to do for so much less $!

Thought id add my 2c. I just hate seeing people throw money at something when its not really needed! Could be better spent ya know?

Edited November 12, 2009 by gotRICE?