Rb26 Built For Drift- Which Top Mount Turbo Is The Best Option?

[TiTAN]

nismoid is going off 98 you are going off E85. whats the point of the argument?

[R31Nismoid]

nismoid is going off 98 you are going off E85. whats the point of the argument?

I'm not sure he has one to be honest. He knows full well you wont make the figure on PULP, the ole smoke and mirrors trick perhaps?

PULP is what everyone talks about with regards to fuel, power output and requirements unless otherwise advised.

If someone makes more power on a specific fuel (which happens), it is clearly stated.

Everyone knows E85 is not a commonly accepted fuel, it is no different to any other boutique fuel and is irrelevant to 99% of applications discussed here on a daily basis.

If the OP is going to use E85 then of COURSE he will make 360-370rwkw, and i would agree with that.

Anyone will tell you that as its the typical 40rwkw gain from using that fuel.

However E85 was not stated as a requirement or part of the scenario, nor is the equipment list supplied upto the task. So one of course assumes the norm, PULP.

Every power estimate thread, every "what will this turbo make" thread all assume PULP.

News to me if E85 is now a commonly available fuel.

Cerbera just enjoys trying to make people he doesn't like look silly any chance he gets, must be some kind of childish game those WA people play from time to time, but that's ok as long as i get to play too.

[DRD-00F]

700cc injectors says that he won't be making 350rwkw on E85, they're not up to the task. Dave (NYTSKY) is on 1000cc injecotrs now, and so is Anthony (Guilt-Toy) I believe. Anthony also has a 3L bottom end. And I don't think he's running a 3076R, I thought it was a 3540...

So with the combined facts that a 3076R won't make 350 unless on E85, and the fact that 700cc injectors won't run 350 E85 rwkws, and that the original poster never mentioned E85, Nismoid is right.

That turbo, with those injectors, and either fuel, will not make 350rwkws... E85 will get you closer, but then you will have to up your injectors...

[bigmikespec]

If the OP is going to use E85 then of COURSE he will make 360-370rwkw, and i would agree with that.

Anyone will tell you that as its the typical 40rwkw gain from using that fuel.

Sorry to detract from the entertaining argument... but assuming capable engine and appropriate head work etc from an RB26, would it be possible to make 350kW or more using N1 turbos or GT-SS's (or Garrett equivs.) taking advantage of the higher octane of E85 with timing etc...?

Mike

[Lithium]

Fact. A GT3076 will not make 350rwkw on PULP. Nor will it make 360rwkw, or 374rwkw on PULP.

That may depend on dyno....

Shows how ignorant those with the incorrect facts really are.

Was this a dig at me? Not sure what you think of me but I try to help cut through the shit where possible.

[R31Nismoid]

^ lol no dude, not you

Sorry to detract from the entertaining argument... but assuming capable engine and appropriate head work etc from an RB26, would it be possible to make 350kW or more using N1 turbos or GT-SS's (or Garrett equivs.) taking advantage of the higher octane of E85 with timing etc...?

Mike

I reckon you should be able to do it, there is no reason you can't. Same would be said for any other boutique fuel - Martini, Sunoco

If you can get 320-330rwkw from GT-SS's on PULP, then you are looking at around 360rwkw give/take?

Every result i've seen from E85 skylines, EVO's, WRX's - once you get to the 300rwkw marker, to approx an extra 30-40rwkw.

Just gotta remember the offensive fuel consumption of course.

So you could probably apply that percentage to below 300rwkw and workout the gains there as well, should be "near enough" for the intents of results projection

[SimonR32]

Cerbera just enjoys trying to make people he doesn't like look silly any chance he gets, must be some kind of childish game those WA people play from time to time, but that's ok as long as i get to play too.

not at all, love a good debate and dont like people slinging "facts" that may not be true!!!

[juggernaut1]

OK to summarise this thread.

1. A 3076 .82 will get you there however you will need to run E85 and your injectors will need to be upgraded to 1000cc items and upgraded fuel pump to reach your desired hp goals.

2. If however you are prepared to accept a laggier setup a GT35 will acheive your power goals on PULP and you can retain your existing injectors.

3. Members from Perth don't get on with members from Collingwood.

[R31Nismoid]

Ok i agree with 1 & 2... 3 - arguable.

[SimonR32]

just to stir nismoid up a little bit more...

joeyjoejoe just made 320rwkw with 555cc using E85

now my maths may be a little off but does that not translate to 700cc injectors capable of 403rwkw

OUCH!!!

[Brockas]

Oh snap.

ps. on topic, go a GT30R, you don't need massive HP for drift, instead you need lightning throttle response, a 35R will take too long to spool in your application.

3. Members of the human race don't get on with members from Collingwood.

Fixed.

[Butters]

Cerbs is wrong ... as usual .. hehe

If its PUMP the gt3076 it won't make 350rwkw ... lets see some TIME, WEIGHT AND MPH to back a car that has ?

It its E85 far out run the GT35. If you understood E85 you would know why ..... oh wait you don't have a car tuned on E85 do you cerbs ?

Just FYI b4 mods freak, having a friendly rib from one Simon to another !

joeyjoejoe just made 320rwkw with 555cc using E85

now my maths may be a little off but does that not translate to 700cc injectors capable of 403rwkw

You will get around 375rwkw depending on rail pressure and your chosen AFR.

ps. on topic, go a GT30R, you don't need massive HP for drift, instead you need lightning throttle response,

Agree 100 %

a 35R will take too long to spool in your application.

Disagree 100 %

[Cjmartz2k]

Why not do the GT3076 on pulp with 700cc's and water/meth injection?

[SimonR32]

It its E85 far out run the GT35. If you understood E85 you would know why ..... oh wait you don't have a car tuned on E85 do you cerbs ?

Your argument is invaild if you can't speak english

[Butters]

lol fair point.

[Brockas]

Disagree 100 %

Simmo, I know you have had the 35R like I have, but you've used it in a drag application.

On the track, I found the 35R to be a bit lazy when coming on/off the throttle.

You can disagree all you like, but thats just my experience

[Butters]

Hey Brockas

There a few points around this discussion.

Our setups are not apples and apples. As you have a china mani and t4 rear. So I would expect yours to be more laggy.

One interesting thing we both have is the OS gearset ratios. Man they do make 1st n 2nd feel a bit laggy when your caught off boost.

Remember we are talking drift(not track or drag) which neither of us have actually done. So I am using Bangers setup as an example.Its an RB25 and gt35 turbo and yer we both know he's one of the top level performers in perth.

An rb26 would be better again !

Finally for track setup, yer I would use E85. Thats a whole new world again !!

Hoping to one day soon, get my car on the no limits night. So find out for myself what you mean.

Guess again it will be different though as my car is a lot lighter. I just need to get a sway bar fitted to my car lol.

[SimonR32]

banga is a invalid argument, his rpm range is between 10rpm below limiter to 10rpm above so respnonse isn't really needed

i remember sean talking about tuning the various wa drift rb25 powered cars and they all make a bit over 400rwhp on his hubber with the 3076R's making shit loads more mid range that the 3582R's

[Brockas]

Hey Brockas

There a few points around this discussion.

Our setups are not apples and apples. As you have a china mani and t4 rear. So I would expect yours to be more laggy.

One interesting thing we both have is the OS gearset ratios. Man they do make 1st n 2nd feel a bit laggy when your caught off boost.

Remember we are talking drift(not track or drag) which neither of us have actually done. So I am using Bangers setup as an example.Its an RB25 and gt35 turbo and yer we both know he's one of the top level performers in perth.

An rb26 would be better again !

Yup all valid points, except I'm running a stock gearbox now (after breaking the OS) and it actually makes it feel a lot more responsive than with the gearset.

The on/off transition of the 35R isn't bad by any means, just don't think it feels as sharp as a GT30.

[Butters]

banga is a invalid argument, his rpm range is between 10rpm below limiter to 10rpm above so respnonse isn't really needed

maybe you need to harden up then and stop whining about lag and CLUTCH CLUTCH IT !! hehe.

Yup all valid points, except I'm running a stock gearbox now (after breaking the OS) and it actually makes it feel a lot more responsive than with the gearset.

The on/off transition of the 35R isn't bad by any means, just don't think it feels as sharp as a GT30.

Ahh yer forgot about the broken box

At the end of the day I reckon I agree with you. Big power isn;t really needed for drift. More time should be spent on car setup and driving skill (ps I have none) The GT30 will have plenty for sure.