Foglight Fine

[Owgasm]

If you're talking about 'reality' here rather than 'legality', if the rear lenses are 'clear', I'd expect that you wouldn't get pinged for a 'fog light' and that HP would assume it's a reversing light that has a 'short' (but hey, that's still defectable eh?)

The rear fog light is 'red'. The rear fog light according to the R34 Owner's Manual carries a 55W bulb which is very bright.

Changing the rear lens from clear to red? You'd get pinged for it if it's on whilst weather is NOT inclement I expect!

And for the OP, the Owner's Manual states that it IS a fog light.

Thanks.

Is this 34 GT-Rs or all 34s?

Some, GT-Ts didn't come with the rear fog light as an option, so members have opted to go purchase the "red lense" like the GTR and replaced it, i'm assuming the bulb wasn't actually changed and a button wasn't put in the cabin to use it as a fog light.

So i'm saying that, it pretty much is just a clear light that has had a red cover put over it.

- This affects me me cause, my car isn't actually a 34 and therefore no fog light button on the stalk etc, but i did change the rear light to complete the 34 look. From this, members have requested part numbers for the part from nissan, so i know others have probably done the same thing.

Any cops online ?

I'm guessing it'll be whatever the cop calls.

Just reading to see what defines a fog light.

Cheers

Edited November 17, 2009 by Owgasm

[GTR-N1]

I believe that all R34 GTs had twin reversing lights. One of these could be converted thru a sparkie to a fog light and get a red lens accordingly.

The R34 GT-R has 1X reversing light + 1 fog light.

[grigor]

Question:

Do you think those other people with 34s that get that light changed to a red light will get picked up for it?

It'll be the same bulb as the white light one, so not necessarily a fog light? If a fog light is determined by its bulb.

So is a fog light defined by its colour or bulb?

If a fog light increases visibility, is it the light cover (the red) with a regular light bulb behind it increasing visibility? Its like another break light.

You're thinking way too deeply.

1. You can't have a continuous on, white light facing rearwards in any conditions.

2. You can't have a continuous on, rear facing high wattage (50W) red, unless you're driving in fog conditions.

[gotRICE?]

Its def a fog light.

Alot/most/all of the Euro cars have them, and to be fair, they are f**king annoying to be following during the night. Especially if your driving a long distance, its like staring into a laser pointer.

I can understand that the majority of people dont have any idea they are on, nor would have any idea its there. so getting pulled up and told about it would be better than getting slapped with a ticket.

[W0rp3D]

These will operate like any other car with factory fitted fog lights, it comes on when ever you turn the fog/driving lights on, the fact that you didnt even know that you could turn them off and have been dricing around with them permantly on annoying the shit out of every one is enough for you to get a fine in its self, for some one who spends 40k+ on a car you really should have a better understanding of what all the switches do, thats one of the first things i do when i buy a car, play with all the switches to see what sort of gadgets it has, although most of the time i will already know what they do if its a car i REALLY want to buy.

[GTRNUR]

While the light can be switched on and off independantly the light will only work when the headlights are on. They dont work when the parkers are on or in any other condition. According to QLD transport defination this actually makes it a "driving" light, not a fog light. As was demonstrated by the cops that showed me the "fog" lights on their commodore can be switched on and off independantly of the headlights and parkers.

I bought the car to drive it. Not to play with all the switches, although the MDF held my interest for about 2 minutes. Like ive already said, i dont drive the car that often at night so again like ive said, this is why ive not noticed it before.

[NISMO]

Thanks.

Is this 34 GT-Rs or all 34s?

Some, GT-Ts didn't come with the rear fog light as an option, so members have opted to go purchase the "red lense" like the GTR and replaced it, i'm assuming the bulb wasn't actually changed and a button wasn't put in the cabin to use it as a fog light.

So i'm saying that, it pretty much is just a clear light that has had a red cover put over it.

- This affects me me cause, my car isn't actually a 34 and therefore no fog light button on the stalk etc, but i did change the rear light to complete the 34 look. From this, members have requested part numbers for the part from nissan, so i know others have probably done the same thing.

Any cops online ?

I'm guessing it'll be whatever the cop calls.

Just reading to see what defines a fog light.

Cheers

The issue is not blinding the poor farker behind you on a clear day. You can have the red lens with no prob whatsoever. The only time it will become a problem is if in fact it is switched on and there's no fog.

In your case, being that its just a lens, you don't even have the option to turn it on, and it will only be on when you engage reverse, therefore it won't ever be a "fog" light, so you can never get done for it :-)

Unless your one of those folk who drive backwards!!

[fuzzy_scuz]

If you have been booked for that then every Hyndai i30 and late model excel is fineable!

[jrm]

If you have been booked for that then every Hyndai i30 and late model excel is fineable!

They are...?

How many Hyundai drivers have you seen with their annoying fog lights on? I'm actually glad the police are taking back fog lights as seriously as rear fog lights because they're both annoying as f**k to other drivers. I suspect in most cases the driver doesn't even realise they're on - but that's absolutely no excuse for it.

[DRD-00F]

Those hyundais with those bright ass rear fog lights piss me the shit awf!

God knows how many times I've been following one just to get annoyed and try and get ahead of them... It's distracting and blinding!

[Iron Chef]

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislatio...NAL+FRLI%5D.pdf

[scathing]

How many Hyundai drivers have you seen with their annoying fog lights on?

Pretty much all Excel drivers. It seems like buying an Excel automatically signs you up to the photon brigade, since an Excel driving around with the fog light off is the exception rather than the rule. It's a distraction as a human's focus is naturally drawn to bright lights in the dark, and when you get closer it kills your night vision as a result.

It seems like using the rear fog light on clear nights is directly proportional to cluelessness. Low-spec E36 BMW owners are almost as bad when it comes to that rear foglight. I don't understand how BMW owners can find that little button hidden in the switchgear just above their right knees, but can't seem to locate the giant f**king indicator stalk on the steering column.

[mad082]

i think you will find that the excels you see without the foglight on fall into 1 of 2 categories.

1: accidently turned it off and haven't realised it yet

2: the bulb is blown

[SiR_RB]

well last friday night i was in the city and noticed that my headlights wernt that bright, i jumped out and found my passenger headlight was burnt. so it was my decission to turn my lower driving lights on (r33 series 2) just to componsate for the light being out. i was drivin down george street and i see this cop car chuckin a u-turn with the lights going ! he got stuck in sum traffic few cars behind me but soon as he got the chance he came behind me and pulled me over. he started going on about the "spot lights" i go "lower driving lights" officer. he goes no the fog lights were blinding him and should only be used in the appropriate weather conditions. he got my license details, got breath tested, asked if i had any fines etc, i go no never. few days later i reciever the fine in the mail, $84 for driving with fog lights on !!

[GTR-N1]

^^^ Probably only worth fighting in court if you can get him to commit to saying how far his car was away from yours and then...

Produce evidence from your technician that your fog lights hit the ground 'x' number of metres up the road + the fact that 1 of your headlights had just blown + what you said in your post that you had to turn on those foglights to see (for safety).

And then you may get off; you may not. Hard call.

Morally you're in the right.

Legally you're not.

Commiserations.

[s13_Skyline_inside]

you see more and more people with the bloody fog lights on at dusk with their head lights turned off, i dont know how many of you guys with fog lights have had them by themselves turned on at night but they only illuminate about 2-3 meters of the ground directly infront of your car, this is what they are meant to do because when driving in heavy fog you do about 20km/h and cant see much more than 2-3 meters because if your lights go more than that you get a huge glare from the fog and cant see shit.

they dont look cool they just annoy the fk out of other drivers and are not really nececary in metropolitan area's in aus, and most of rural area's too, I wish they would fine more excel drivers but it propbably goes along the lines of, oh you've go a skyline so ill give youa fine for having them on, and oh your driving a common car (falcodores, excels) ill give you the benifit of the doubt so here's a waring and then they forget about it the next day and the lights are on again,

preparing for the flame, if it was me I would just give everyone I saw that had bloody "fog lamps" front or rear on in clear weather a fine regardless of how good they've been what car etc

ok end rant

Edited November 19, 2009 by s13_Skyline_inside

[gotRICE?]

You know, i always thought that fog lights werent actually so see in fog, it was actually for others to be able to see YOU in fog, without blinding the living crap out of them.

And also, thats usually why real front fog lamps are yellow. Less glare.

[mad082]

you are pretty much right. the standard colour of bulbs is probably the worst for seeing in the fog with. very yellow lights like the s13's are better to be seen in the fog with and if you want to see through the fog you are best off with very blue bulbs (you know the ones that are so blue they make hid's look yellow). the very blue lights will go through the fog much better, but they are shit to drive with at night normally. a mate had some in his 33 as the highbeam lights and you could see better with lowbeam on that you could with the highbeam on because it was so blue it didn't light things up very well.

[R34GT-T]

my wife has a pulsar with a similar light. It comes on with a separate turn switch on the headlight switch stalk

[WRRR]

^^^ Probably only worth fighting in court if you can get him to commit to saying how far his car was away from yours and then...

Produce evidence from your technician that your fog lights hit the ground 'x' number of metres up the road + the fact that 1 of your headlights had just blown + what you said in your post that you had to turn on those foglights to see (for safety).

And then you may get off; you may not. Hard call.

Morally you're in the right.

Legally you're not.

Commiserations.

Terry's got it pretty right there but for $84 wtf let it go.

It would seem a lot of the states are now starting to clamp down on the use of "fog" lights as there are now so many cars coming out with them as standard fitmant and so many people who have no idea what they are for and how they are supposed to be used. Creating nuisance with incorrectly adjusted or improperly used lights on a vehicle is an offence in most/all states, just rarely enforced.

Front facing fog ligts have become a fashion accessory and the w..ker brigade have them switched on as soon as the sun looks like going down adding to the glare (danger/distraction) for oncoming traffic. Ditto for the rear fog high visibility light - most have no idea it is even on but it is dangerous and distracting for following traffic in normal conditions (in heavy fog its a great safety aid).

A true forward facing fog light is set low to shoot a flat beam of light into the clean area just above the ground when there is fog/mist so you can see the road ahead (much further than 2 to 3m as someone suggested) when there is no fog they are useless as a driving light and just add glare for oncoming traffic. Most should be wired to only come on with parking lights and/or headlights (argument is parking lights is the best option).

I have used fog lights extensively they are great for what they are designed for - they are not a driving/spot light for clear conditions and if you need them there are a lot of great driving light arrangements out there (my Ralleye 4000 HIDs for example) but they need to be used correctly to avoid blinding oncoming traffic, melting tarmac and BBQing kangaroos.

Sorry someone on the forum got pinged for incorrect use of the lights but a big yaaaay to the fact there is something being done about the dangerous (and inconsiderate) habit.