Sorry Guys, Went With A Gt2

[Kujotk]

They be Amway words my friend...quit regurgitating your seminar material.

Cause it's a forum section devoted to a circa $170,000 car...plonked in the middle of a circa 5k-40k car forum. You can't mix those demographics with the idea of free public speech and expect to come out of it without dicks in full view

True and true..... lol at the Amway comment, i thought I was the only one who noticed Amway going on about crap. My warehouses are right next door to amway head quarters in sydney and god there the biggest knobs around. I go to their gloria jeans in there premesis and the guys in the suits (look like $25 ill fitting suits) treat me like crap because I dress up as a bum when i'm at the warehouse. Then i think to my self (Amway is the only thing making money here, not these guys in there cheap suits on a meger wage with stupid smug smiles who keep talking up how they have just bought a house with a mortgage and think there king shit).

Modena seems to live a little in a fantasy world sometimes, but one post he put up a while ago sticks in my mind when i go to amway gloria jeans.... he said something along the lines of "if you work for somebody else on a wage, you will never get rich, you will just be comfortable at best" which is mostly true, guess the smug amway kids havent listened to Modena and his wisdom

[Kujotk]

oh and Merry Christmas online punching bags, hope all is well out there in cyberspace

[BlackSix]

Cause it's a forum section devoted to a circa $170,000 car...plonked in the middle of a circa 5k-40k car forum. You can't mix those demographics with the idea of free public speech and expect to come out of it without dicks in full view

Wow, Birds. I've just read this thread from start to finish and this was the same conclusion I came to. Only difference is you managed to put it into words, complete with phallic analogy. Thanks for the profound observation.

Khaled

[MGS996TT]

Whilst not in the business of disclosing our full IP on the tuning side, we do use the most advanced tools available for editing the raw native hex code back up with a top of the line OLS real time emulator

Thanks, comments noted. Can you please post before & after dyno data from recent 997 GT2 tunes you have performed. I looked at your website but could not find any reference to Porsche tuning. Thank-you.

[Martin Donnon]

No problems, when I go back into work in the new year.

Just to let you know Mark, I have been reverse engineering factory management - and that of Porsche in particular - for 20 or so years now on and off, its not a new hobby I just decided to get into last week. If you want to know something re the management in your 997 Im happy to tell you what I know, but your dyno figures will be similar to those I have mentioned. Thats nothing to sneeze at for sure. Not quite tuned GTR territory, but not bad either

Its always impressed me how the more that folks spend on a tune the less they need to see a properly calibrated dyno sheet or 'proof of life'. Some numbers knocked up in an Excel graph or a simple +60kw +100Nm warms the cockles of the heart, but most of these results are at best....optimal, and mainly guessed

There are some Eurocar tuning results of mine at http://www.dwtuning.com.au, but sadly I have not updated it in some time

Hopefully this is not in contravention of forum sponsorship rules, simply an example

Edited December 25, 2009 by Martin Donnon

[1q2w3e4r]

Seat of the pants is always difficult….can feel the additional low/mid torque. But Performance Box data is the best method. Will give additional comment after cats & headers are fitted.

Will check with Ben re fan capacity. If he has the cooling capacity will put it on the dyno for the hell of it.

I'd expect it'd throw up a pretty reasonable number, Fitzgerald do them (being in Melb you've probably had experience with them with the 996?) Who if you don't mind me asking who did you find was the best local vendor to go with? Or did it wind up being easier to just source OS?

If you want a crack with the PB at the strip and don't have one, happy to shoot it down for you to have a crack with. I'd like to get my nugget out to WSID with it but I reckon I'd run all the way through the braking area before I hit 130 in it!

Its always impressed me how the more that folks spend on a tune the less they need to see a properly calibrated dyno sheet or 'proof of life'. Some numbers knocked up in an Excel graph or a simple +60kw +100Nm warms the cockles of the heart, but most of these results are at best....optimal, and mainly guessed

There are some Eurocar tuning results of mine at http://www.dwtuning.com.au, but sadly I have not updated it in some time

Hopefully this is not in contravention of forum sponsorship rules, simply an example

For sure, but that's the same with anything. A dyno number is just that I'm sure you'd agree the most effective way to measure performance gains are via trap speed at the drag strip if all the other parameters are within an acceptable variance.

What was done to the E46 M3? 25+kw at the wheels out of tuning has to be conservatively 40 at the flywheel. Pushing it close to the 300 kw region, quite a substantial figure from a 3.2 ltr straight six (120+hp per litre without FI)

Edited December 25, 2009 by 1q2w3e4r

[Birds]

Wow, Birds. I've just read this thread from start to finish and this was the same conclusion I came to. Only difference is you managed to put it into words, complete with phallic analogy. Thanks for the profound observation.

Khaled

LOL you're welcome mate. I try to speak the truth how I see it...it's not always correct but it's nice when there's someone who agrees with me

Kujo, I had a "friend" from high school who tried to get me in on Amway when I was 17. Destroys friendships because they no longer value you as a friend but a potential "business associate". Still got the MSN messenger conversation from it; it's pretty hilarious...PM me if you wanna read it. Basically ended with me telling him I earned more stacking shelves at coles than his passive income and motivational tapes were providing him. He had dreams of retiring at 35, as did the poor bastards above him and the poor bastards above them and the poor bastards above them and...well you know how pyramid schemes work.

Anywho, I'm going to leave this thread to MGS996TT and his GT2 because people like me are carrying it away from its intended purpose

[MGS996TT]

I'd expect it'd throw up a pretty reasonable number, Fitzgerald do them (being in Melb you've probably had experience with them with the 996?) Who if you don't mind me asking who did you find was the best local vendor to go with? Or did it wind up being easier to just source OS?

re the 996TT, Kevin at UMW (Seattle, USA) did all the remapping via OBD. I used Durametric for key point data logging & we e-mailed files back & forth.

From my limited search RS Tuning (Germany) had the better equipped tuning process. They use an engine out process. They use water cooling as a means to replicate 'road driving conditions'. This addresses the issue of heat sink. Like most tuners they do a lot of data logging while on the road. They have extensively tried many components under road conditions. Could a local tuner do a similar or better job? Maybe, but for the 7GT2 the larger majority source an OS tune anyway.

[MGS996TT]

If you want to know something re the management in your 997 Im happy to tell you what I know,

Any info you are able to share would be greatly appreciated.

1. Intake temps vs hp. (What are the proven intercoolers to deliver significant reduction in temps for the 7GT2)

2. Pump gas (98) vs VP109 (What is the actual gain).

[Martin Donnon]

Any info you are able to share would be greatly appreciated.

1. Intake temps vs hp. (What are the proven intercoolers to deliver significant reduction in temps for the 7GT2)

Depends on the IAT (Intake Air Temp) vs Fuel and Ignition corrections in the mapping you get. They are quite aggressive stock, hence your references to needing properly simulated road speed to get genuine power readings. This isnt so much the actual heat buildup, but rather the massive dive in power that occurs at higher temps as commanded by the mapping. This is a typical Porsche/Mercedes FI strategy they have opted for a conservative approach over many years

2. Pump gas (98) vs VP109 (What is the actual gain).

If you dont tune for VP109 there is very little gain at all UNLESS your current tune is already belting against the knock sensors, detonating, and pushing the management towards a permanent low octane condition, which can occur with 'canned' tuning. One needs to be careful adding VP109 untuned to a turbo engine at any time without measurement on a chassis dyno as it will enlean the engine around 0.25 lambda at full load courtesy of its oxygenation. Keep away from it unless you are tuned for it

Edited December 26, 2009 by Martin Donnon

[N1GTR]

Any GT2 updates?

[MGS996TT]

Any GT2 updates?

Yep, fitted up the RS Tuning ECU & Cargraphic headers & 100 cell cats. Very good performance gain since fitting the headers & cats. But not happy with the fit & workmanship. Have ordered a complete Titanium Akrapovic system, should arrive in Oz next week.

[rehab2010]

LOL you're welcome mate. I try to speak the truth how I see it...it's not always correct but it's nice when there's someone who agrees with me

Kujo, I had a "friend" from high school who tried to get me in on Amway when I was 17. Destroys friendships because they no longer value you as a friend but a potential "business associate". Still got the MSN messenger conversation from it; it's pretty hilarious...PM me if you wanna read it. Basically ended with me telling him I earned more stacking shelves at coles than his passive income and motivational tapes were providing him. He had dreams of retiring at 35, as did the poor bastards above him and the poor bastards above them and the poor bastards above them and...well you know how pyramid schemes work.

Anywho, I'm going to leave this thread to MGS996TT and his GT2 because people like me are carrying it away from its intended purpose

I'd really love to know what his intended purpose is - posting on a Skyline forum stuff about his 500K gt2, which pretty much nobody on this forum can even dream about let alone afford.

[MGS996TT]

I'd really love to know what his intended purpose is - posting on a Skyline forum stuff about his 500K gt2, which pretty much nobody on this forum can even dream about let alone afford.

Forget the price tag. It is about people that enjoy cars.

[Gibbo_R35]

Agreed, I love hearing about peoples cars and their passions. I really admire the GT2 and considering the comparisons they draw daily of thh GT2 versus the GTR I love to hear of a GT2 owners opinions and what that car is capable of.

Keep us updated, especially when you are looking at tracking it.

[Gunnar_11]

NICE car.

[NickR33]

Yep, fitted up the RS Tuning ECU & Cargraphic headers & 100 cell cats. Very good performance gain since fitting the headers & cats. But not happy with the fit & workmanship. Have ordered a complete Titanium Akrapovic system, should arrive in Oz next week.

your not happy with the product or the way its been installed?

looks good from the pics but hard to tell without having a close look I guess

How much gain from changing exhausts, I would have thought the standard system was already pretty good on a GT2?

[Kujotk]

I'd really love to know what his intended purpose is - posting on a Skyline forum stuff about his 500K gt2, which pretty much nobody on this forum can even dream about let alone afford.

don't be a hater, if the guy can afford a $500k car and post it here then good on him, They recon the 997 is directly comparable to the R35 so that is probably why he is here, also from memory he was deciding over the r35 vs the gt2.

And with the r35 price tag at close to 200k, then my guess is allot more people than you think can afford a gt2 on this forum.

At the end of the day if your a car enthusiast you will be welcomed by the masses on SAU forums, we all appreciate good cars no matter what model or make they are, a good car is a good car and nothing less.

Besides having said the gt2 and the r35 are comparable, they arn't really, the new gt2 shits all over the r35 in my own opinion, but not to say the r35 isnt a crazy well priced car in its own right, the gt2 is better, but it also comes with the price tag aswell

[NZM.031]

I'd really love to know what his intended purpose is - posting on a Skyline forum stuff about his 500K gt2, which pretty much nobody on this forum can even dream about let alone afford.

thats why its great that he is here.. i for one have very little knowledge of porsches, especially the later stuff.. and the fact that he is here on our humble little forum shows that money aside, he is a regular person, who enjoys his cars, he just has the means to be able to afford more expensive cars, also he is willing to share it with us, he is truly proud of it and so he should be.. hes not rubbing our noses in it, but allowing us to see porsche ownership in real time.

[mad082]

ahahaha, i love where this thread has gone. i also love how while modena is saying how poor people think that better off people are rich and greedy, but at the same time he is showing the trait that most better off people have, that they are somehow superior to people who aren't as rich as them. however it seems to be the mildly rich and the people from rich families (born with a silver spoon in their mouth so to speak) who are the worst at this. they spend their days living to show off just how good they are. everything is about their image. my father is a prime example of this. however his father was the oposite and i more take after him. he was rather well off and when he gave up driving he was still driving a 30 year old ford fairlane, and lived out his days in the house they had build back in the 60's that still used a wood fire stove to heat up the hot water.

now this is not directed at the owner of the GT2, as all i have seen from him is on topic posting.

now as probably the most financially worse off person on this forum (thanks to a few choices that didn't work out as expected), i wouldn't trade the experiences i have had for an easy life, because in this economic climate where things can change at the drop of a hat, i have seen that the bigger they arem the harder they fall and the worse they handle it. and i know that, thanks to what i have been dealt in life, i could probably cope better than most people on here with the worst possible outcome.

at the end of the day, nothing brings me more joy that watching people with their expensive boat trying to load in crab pots and swearing when they gently tap the side and leave the tiniest scratch as i go full tilt into the mangroves in my $600 hunk of crap not caring what happens to it.

anywho, back on topic, i think i may have posted early on in this thread that i agreed with the choice of the gt2 over the r35. for me the r35 is just a mass production supercar, and that's where i find it lacking to things like the porsche. while the porsche isn't much better in that reguard, it still maintains somewhat of an exclusivity about it. it's like nissan built a car to be good on paper. they built a car that appeals to the kind of people who buy a car based of what it can do on paper. that isn't to take anything away from the marvelous car that the gtr is, but to me it is too cold and clinical and doesn't have the emotion that other supercars do. for me the r35 doesn't get the bloody flowing like other supercars do. for me other supercars have something about them that gets to some primal part of you and makes you ignore all other flaws that the car may have, even if there is lots of them. sure it may be different actually driving one, but i wouldn't actually go out of my way to drive a r35 compared to other supercars if i was in the market to buy one. i would actually take much more inferior cars for a drive before taking a r35 for a drive.