Sorry Guys, Went With A Gt2

[Kujotk]

modena hasnt replied to this in over a month, i wonder where his Amway group is going anyway?

[N1GTR]

Guys, enough is enough.

Leave the bickering for whorethreads.

Let's continue this thread and not look like a bunch of highschool kids please.

[N1GTR]

Just like nick33, what is it exactly that you're not happy with-people fitting the part or the actual part?

What sort of difference have you noticed?

Also, since you've got the 996turbo, have you had to do any gearbox upgrades after all the hp upgrades to these Porsches?

I know there's a place in Melbourne who sell sandwich plates for porsches and they seem to be popular, but being a Porsche I'd assume the stock gearbox is fairly bulletproof

[paulR32gtr]

that isn't to take anything away from the marvelous car that the gtr is, but to me it is too cold and clinical and doesn't have the emotion that other supercars do. for me the r35 doesn't get the bloody flowing like other supercars do. for me other supercars have something about them that gets to some primal part of you and makes you ignore all other flaws that the car may have, even if there is lots of them.

I agree with this - I have not driven an R35 so not really a qualified comment but from all reports it doesn't have that edge that the more expensive super/hyper/whatevercars have. I like the idea of cars that bite, and must be treated with respect and driven with a combination of ability and what the engineers have made available to you.

At the end of the day a faster lap time through the use of technology is just bragging rights, where as extracting what you can, with your abilities, out of what's available to you, on your own just you and the car is where the true enthusiast likes to be, irrespective of the resultant lap time.

[Beer Baron]

trust me, a talented driver will go quicker than a hack no matter whether we are talking R35s or a F40 LM. sure the gap may be smaller but there will always be a gap between the guys with talent and the guys with less talent...

[Martin Donnon]

I agree with this - I have not driven an R35 so not really a qualified comment but from all reports it doesn't have that edge that the more expensive super/hyper/whatevercars have.

Well if you had driven one you would know the above isnt correct.

GTR is fast, involving, and tricky on the limit - and I have tracked plenty - R35, 997, Gallardo (yet no current Faz unfortunately).

Dont live off the opinions of Jeremy Clarkson and co, not only are they often inaccurate, it also means you stick up for Range Rovers, and we all know how good they are

Edited February 2, 2010 by Martin Donnon

[Kujotk]

ive driven lots and nearly ended up buying an r35 last friday. the R35 is great but it is lacking one thing..... it'll be too reliable to be a supercar lol, but seriously it doesn't feel as special as a real supercar even though it may be better 90% of the time. I'm sure Nissan will keep improving the car, and they have raised the bar for the rest of the supercar world. All i can expect is cars from now on will start becomming even more crazy than they are now.

[Martin Donnon]

ive driven lots and nearly ended up buying an r35 last friday. the R35 is great but it is lacking one thing..... it'll be too reliable to be a supercar lol, but seriously it doesn't feel as special as a real supercar even though it may be better 90% of the time.

What is this special you speak of?

Sorry, I dont get it. I like fast cars, so I suppose each to their own

[MGS996TT]

your not happy with the product or the way its been installed?

looks good from the pics but hard to tell without having a close look I guess

How much gain from changing exhausts, I would have thought the standard system was already pretty good on a GT2?

The pic as shown is the new Akaprovic system currently in transit. The system I will be replacing is the Cargraphic headers & Cats. The problem sits in several areas.

1. Quality. Welding quality (MIG) is very poor.

2. Angle between flange to Turbo vs pipe to muffler was wrong. I cut the cat in two pieces then TIG welded the cat back together at the correct angle (right hand cat only)

3. Sensor @ cat discharge set at wrong angle. Fouling against motor plate

4. Clearance between flange (Cats) to Turbo & cat not appropriate. Needed to reduce stud lengths.

I do ALL my own install work with support/guidance of a local Porsche tech. I could afford to have someone do it for me, but I get more pleasure & satisfaction doing it myself (with tech support). The quality of the Akrapovic system looks to be far superior.

Most of the performance gain comes with changing the cats (less back pressure) The OEM cats are either 600 or 400 cell (honestly I forget). See the difference in the pics below.

And for the record. …In my working life I started as an apprentice Fitter & Turner. After gaining my trade qualification I went back to school (night school) to get an Engineering Degree and in more recent times an MBA. If I was smarter I would have stayed at school longer and taken the easier path, but that’s life. Remember money has absolutely nothing to do with happiness. Happiness (at least for me) is family, health & friends….& cars.

Before removing OEM Cat(s)

After removel of OEM Cat(s)

OEM Cat

100 Cell Cat

Poor welding, note have cut thru weld at blue mark, about to set (rotate) at correct angle & reweld.

[Martin Donnon]

Those cats 100CPi will no longer be emissions compliant so why bother? You could have saved a few thousand and made up some cat delete pipes and retained the stock system for the same/similar power

We fitted a Fabspeed Cayenne TT system as part of a build last week, and its was absolutely dreadful in quality and execution. A real nice way of putting $4500 AUD in a pile and putting a match to it

Akro gear is generally nice.

[Martin Donnon]

Those cats 100CPi will no longer be emissions compliant so why bother? You could have saved a few thousand and made up some cat delete pipes and retained the stock system for the same/similar power and of course the same emissions compliance

We fitted a Fabspeed Cayenne TT system as part of a build last week, and its was absolutely dreadful in quality and execution. A real nice way of putting $4500 AUD in a pile and putting a match to it

Akro gear is generally nice.

Edited February 2, 2010 by Martin Donnon

[tacker]

brave sole to admit having a porsche on this forum lol

[NZM.031]

I agree with this - I have not driven an R35 so not really a qualified comment but from all reports it doesn't have that edge that the more expensive super/hyper/whatevercars have. I like the idea of cars that bite, and must be treated with respect and driven with a combination of ability and what the engineers have made available to you.

At the end of the day a faster lap time through the use of technology is just bragging rights, where as extracting what you can, with your abilities, out of what's available to you, on your own just you and the car is where the true enthusiast likes to be, irrespective of the resultant lap time.

i agree... the best cars are the ones that dont have traction control, automatic gearboxes, flappy paddles, yaw control, abs, dampening control etc. etc.

all driver controlled, AE86 FTW!!!

the r35 just doesnt grab my attention, you cant lift the bonnet and go "whoa!" its all crammed in there, it looks messy, the interior is horrid, the dash is enourmous as is the steering wheel... ive not ever driven one or even sat in one... ive seen 2 driving and 4 in the flesh and they just dont have a wow factor that makes me want to know more about it... it has about as much gravity to me as a golf r32... i have no doubts that they are not an exhilarating drive and plenty fast.. just not my thing.... and they need better colours.. they just look dull and ordinary.

the Nismo GTR is about the only one that ive given any attention to.

100 Cell Cat

WTF is with that flange??? fark me!!! my dog can chew neater than that!

[Birds]

I agree with this - I have not driven an R35 so not really a qualified comment but from all reports it doesn't have that edge that the more expensive super/hyper/whatevercars have. I like the idea of cars that bite, and must be treated with respect and driven with a combination of ability and what the engineers have made available to you.

At the end of the day a faster lap time through the use of technology is just bragging rights, where as extracting what you can, with your abilities, out of what's available to you, on your own just you and the car is where the true enthusiast likes to be, irrespective of the resultant lap time.

Agreed!

I also agree with almost everything in Marc's post, but won't requote it for the sake of staying on topic.

Boy that flange is terrible isn't it...my eBay spec pipes have had better welding and cutting. Shouldn't affect it too much but it's not pretty!

Also on topic of emissions even if the 100 cells don't pass emissions its better to have a cat than no cat at all, atleast for the police who just take a peek without gas analysing.

[NickR33]

wow the cats bolt straight onto the exhaust housings hey... the stock system does look much higher quality... even most japanese a/m parts are designed and welded better than that

thanks for posting, interesting to see underneath the Porkas clothes, not a lot of room back there and you can see from the first pic how much is hanging out past the back wheels... amazing they get them to handle so well

[fungoolie]

i agree... the best cars are the ones that dont have traction control, automatic gearboxes, flappy paddles, yaw control, abs, dampening control etc. etc.

all driver controlled, AE86 FTW!!!

Well my R35 doesnt have any of that except the flappy paddles because I can turn off the VDC, change gears manually, pull the abs fuse and leave my dampers in one setting! Why would I do all that? Dunno, prob the same reason I turn my colour on my new LCD flat screen right off and watch in black and white.....

But seriously, you can dumb most modern cars right down to an "unassisted" level as most manufacturers, (short of mercedes benz and a couple others), allow you to using in-car controls. I see it as the best of all worlds....

[NZM.031]

whats an lcd flat screen??

youre not watching your r35 though... youre driving it... thats why you would turn it all off... so that YOU the driver are the one responsible for the cars actions.... all of them...

youre not the guy hand fabricating delicate parts.... youre the guy standing next to a production machine pressing a button and letting it do most of the work.

[phunky_monkey]

Pretty poor from Cargraphic, I would have expected something a lot better considering the reputation of the company and the price of the gear. Have you spoken with them about it, or their Australian distributor?

[fungoolie]

whats an lcd flat screen??

youre not watching your r35 though... youre driving it... thats why you would turn it all off... so that YOU the driver are the one responsible for the cars actions.... all of them...

youre not the guy hand fabricating delicate parts.... youre the guy standing next to a production machine pressing a button and letting it do most of the work.

But that's my point. You are free to do that if you choose so that when you're in the relative safety of the racetrack you can set all your assistance off and enjoy driving in it's purest sense but then when you revert back to the real world such as residential streets, slippery narrow hills roads, icy regions etc etc you can go back to having whatever assistance you deem necessary. A locked brake results in you running wide in a corner on a racetrack. A locked brake on a winding public road will put you directly into the path of an oncoming car. The "best" cars are ones that allow you the freedom to choose what levels of assistance you would like depending on your circumstances.

[NZM.031]

But that's my point. You are free to do that if you choose so that when you're in the relative safety of the racetrack you can set all your assistance off and enjoy driving in it's purest sense but then when you revert back to the real world such as residential streets, slippery narrow hills roads, icy regions etc etc you can go back to having whatever assistance you deem necessary. A locked brake results in you running wide in a corner on a racetrack. A locked brake on a winding public road will put you directly into the path of an oncoming car. The "best" cars are ones that allow you the freedom to choose what levels of assistance you would like depending on your circumstances.

true... but if you dont have the option... then you just have to man up and take control.... or be like me and smack into a gutter and total your front suspension.... much cheaper to replace my front end at least. no amount of technology could have brought it back.. it happened so quick.