Sorry Guys, Went With A Gt2

[NZM.031]

Linton (or anybody else),

do you happen to know what tyres/breaks do 997 GT2s run?

big sticky ones

some have come with Pirelli P-Zeros and some have come with Michelin PS Cups. noone really knows why or which is coming with which...

the brakes are ceramic/carbon discs with 6 piston fronts and 4 pistons rears

[Max_ST-R]

Rivarly was very alive and very bitter at Mallala today.

Many Porsche owners drove and praised the R32 GTR at Nissan track days in '91 but I doubt that the majority of them even remotely considered being seen in one and not much has changed with the R35 GTR

Do you reckon that is true? To some some extent you'd have to say yes....but I think the R35 is a lot more 'exotic' in appearance (more 2 door coupe than 2 door saloon) and much more upmarket inside than previous generations Globally I think the GT-R has found more than a few homes which includes or even REPLACED a Porsche. You certainly need Porsche money to buy one and I at least know of one customer in Oz who cancelled his 911 order to make way for the GT-R...

[NZM.031]

Do you reckon that is true? To some some extent you'd have to say yes....but I think the R35 is a lot more 'exotic' in appearance (more 2 door coupe than 2 door saloon) and much more upmarket inside than previous generations Globally I think the GT-R has found more than a few homes which includes or even REPLACED a Porsche. You certainly need Porsche money to buy one and I at least know of one customer in Oz who cancelled his 911 order to make way for the GT-R...

thats what i said... just in a different way... the styling is that of a z platform... had they released it has a top spec performance version of a 350z... there would be no dramas... my drama is that they call it a skyline and put the GTR badge on it... the skyline was always boxy, never swoopy or streamlined.

exotic over the old skylines... yes... exotic against an exotic??

naaah... porsche ftw!

[23 GTR]

big sticky ones

some have come with Pirelli P-Zeros and some have come with Michelin PS Cups. noone really knows why or which is coming with which...

the brakes are ceramic/carbon discs with 6 piston fronts and 4 pistons rears

I wander what percentage of road cars (even if you consider the really, really fast road cars) come with semi-slick tyres (or carbon ceramic brakes)?

[tacker]

all of them it Dubai

[Granthem]

thats what i said... just in a different way... the styling is that of a z platform... had they released it has a top spec performance version of a 350z... there would be no dramas... my drama is that they call it a skyline and put the GTR badge on it... the skyline was always boxy, never swoopy or streamlined.

exotic over the old skylines... yes... exotic against an exotic??

naaah... porsche ftw!

they didnt call it a skyline...

[Martin Donnon]

Now this is exotic!

Its all good fun, no one is losing an eye, even MGS would be having a good laugh at this thread

[fungoolie]

Do you reckon that is true? To some some extent you'd have to say yes....but I think the R35 is a lot more 'exotic' in appearance (more 2 door coupe than 2 door saloon) and much more upmarket inside than previous generations Globally I think the GT-R has found more than a few homes which includes or even REPLACED a Porsche. You certainly need Porsche money to buy one and I at least know of one customer in Oz who cancelled his 911 order to make way for the GT-R...

Totally agree. Have had my R35 at Mallalla when the Porsche guys are there as I'm also member of their club and although there's rivalry as there is even between themselves it's definitely not bitter. They have a lot of respect for the Nissan and its capabilities especially noting its price compared with their cars. Lots of disbelieving shaking of heads when you tell them how "cheap" it is. Usually they're poking around underneath it looking for slicks! I know of a few PCSA members who have purchased R35s either in place of or in addition to their Porsches even though they don't advertise the fact openly in the club . It just comes down to brand loyalty. If you've owned and loved Porsches all your life just as if you are a Holden or Ford man you aren't easily going to jump ship just because your competition comes out with something better in the short term. You will grudgingly accept it and just hang out for the next "greatest thing" to appear from your stable to show the new upstart up. Some who have the means to buy the latest and greatest will just add the new wonder to their garage on top of all their other loves....

Edited February 8, 2010 by fungoolie

[fungoolie]

thats what i said... just in a different way... the styling is that of a z platform... had they released it has a top spec performance version of a 350z... there would be no dramas... my drama is that they call it a skyline and put the GTR badge on it... the skyline was always boxy, never swoopy or streamlined.

exotic over the old skylines... yes... exotic against an exotic??

naaah... porsche ftw!

Yeah right, compare a happy snap of a GT-R at a motor show taken from above to a full on studio shot of the Porker with fancy lighting and wide angle lens taken by a midget!! Agreed theres beauty in function and thats why Porsches are so appealing to people who truly understand cars. However their real beauty lies beneath their skin. The raised emotion that their mechanical perfection causes in people tends to taint their view of what the cars actually look like. Honestly if another car maker such as Audi rocked up with something styled like the current 911 when they released the R8 they would have been laughed out of said motor show. Porsches styling is only truly loved by their enthusiasts. To all others they look stuff all different than what they did 20-30 years ago, especially with the "retro" look of the 997. They tried to change it with the 996 and the diehard enthusiasts cried foul. Ferraris, Astons and Maseratis etc are a completely different league to the German marque when it comes to styling revolution. Thank god for the ritual iconoclasts that exist in these other companies, (including Nissan). Imagine the time warp we'd be stuck in...

I go cruising with my brother in his 997 911T and honest to god, the GT-R makes the Porsche fade into the background when they are parked or driving together. And I'm not talking about some subjective opinion from my biased and opinionated viewpoint . I'm talking about the car that gets the blowflies buzzing around it with camera phones in hand and windows winding down while the 911 whumps on in relative anonymity. We were at a random breath testing station with him stopped in front of me and 3 coppers including the one who tested him made a beeline for me as soon as he'd finished blowing and kept me there for another 5 minutes just poring over the Jap car. I don't know if its simply the physical presence of the GT-R being so much bigger than the 911 or it's relative newness/rarity/novelty but it definitely draws all the attention. What I generally hear from the average punter is that the 911 no matter how new is "just another Porsche". And forget expecting a non Porsche enthusiast to be able to distinguish the different variants of the 911. They sometimes cant even tell a Cayman from a 911 and these guys are into cars, just not really heavily into exotica. I'd be slightly peeved if my car was being mistaken for a 1990 R32 GTS because the average person couldn't distinguish it from the old one simply because Nissan for whatever dogmatic reasons couldn't be bothered coming up with something significantly and two decades fresher.

What I truly love is that the typical non-car person hasnt got even the foggiest clue what the GT-R is! It definitely catches their eye though. They just know its something special....

Edited February 8, 2010 by fungoolie

[NZM.031]

Now this is exotic!

Its all good fun, no one is losing an eye, even MGS would be having a good laugh at this thread

hahaha.... if Mr T went racing... thats what he'd drive

Totally agree. Have had my R35 at Mallalla when the Porsche guys are there as I'm also member of their club and although there's rivalry as there is even between themselves it's definitely not bitter. They have a lot of respect for the Nissan and its capabilities especially noting its price compared with their cars. Lots of disbelieving shaking of heads when you tell them how "cheap" it is. Usually they're poking around underneath it looking for slicks! I know of a few PCSA members who have purchased R35s either in place of or in addition to their Porsches even though they don't advertise the fact openly in the club . It just comes down to brand loyalty. If you've owned and loved Porsches all your life just as if you are a Holden or Ford man you aren't easily going to jump ship just because your competition comes out with something better in the short term. You will grudgingly accept it and just hang out for the next "greatest thing" to appear from your stable to show the new upstart up. Some who have the means to buy the latest and greatest will just add the new wonder to their garage on top of all their other loves....

there should be no bitterness... we are all car guys and everyone loves their car for their own reasons, if you dont, then its time to jump ship. ive tried all different cars, and the most memorable have been my skylines, mainly my r33 gtst.. what i would give to go back in time and re-live that period over again.

Yeah right, compare a happy snap of a GT-R at a motor show taken from above to a full on studio shot of the Porker with fancy lighting and wide angle lens taken by a midget!! Agreed theres beauty in function and thats why Porsches are so appealing to people who truly understand cars. However their real beauty lies beneath their skin. The raised emotion that their mechanical perfection causes in people tends to taint their view of what the cars actually look like. Honestly if another car maker such as Audi rocked up with something styled like the current 911 when they released the R8 they would have been laughed out of said motor show. Porsches styling is only truly loved by their enthusiasts. To all others they look stuff all different than what they did 20-30 years ago, especially with the "retro" look of the 997. They tried to change it with the 996 and the diehard enthusiasts cried foul. Ferraris, Astons and Maseratis etc are a completely different league to the German marque when it comes to styling revolution. Thank god for the ritual iconoclasts that exist in these other companies, (including Nissan). Imagine the time warp we'd be stuck in...

I don't know if its simply the physical presence of the GT-R being so much bigger than the 911 or it's relative newness/rarity/novelty but it definitely draws all the attention. What I generally hear from the average punter is that the 911 no matter how new is "just another Porsche". And forget expecting a non Porsche enthusiast to be able to distinguish the different variants of the 911. They sometimes cant even tell a Cayman from a 911 and these guys are into cars, just not really heavily into exotica. I'd be slightly peeved if my car was being mistaken for a 1990 R32 GTS because the average person couldn't distinguish it from the old one simply because Nissan for whatever dogmatic reasons couldn't be bothered coming up with something significantly and two decades fresher.

but the offset and design of the factory wheels.... ohhh the horror!!!... happy snap or full on photoshoot... the wheels and the stance because of the wheels on the r35 is truly horrid.. look how much gap is between the wheel and the guard... and then compare that to the porsche..

the r34 is much fresher than an r32.. nissan did a good job at refreshing the models for each series... there is no way you could be mistaken for any other model.

ducati did the same thing with the release of the 999... ducati fans hated the vertical light setup and it is viewed as a lesser ducati because of it... on the next model, the 1098, they went back to the side by side lights and it they were snapped up quicksmart and are praised throughout the world.

looking at the evolution of all car brands.. they all stick to their signature shape... porsche, lamborghini, mercs, ferraris, beamers, wrx's and evo's etc, heck, even holden .. they all find a refreshing spin on the next gen models but still keep it with the original shape making it instantly recognisable to even the faintest of people into cars.

audi, and the release of the r8 still doesnt strike me as an audi... it doesnt have the boxy bull nose shape i imagine when i hear the word audi.. an awesome car maybe, but not what i would consider their poster car... the rs6 is much better for that... it instantly springs to mind as an audi.

[NZM.031]

they didnt call it a skyline...

its an r35... which follows on from the r34.. they didnt call it a v35 or 350z-r or something like that... or start a new family chain.. therefore i see it as a predecessor to the R34 GTR.. i feel that the R34 Mspec Nur should have been the end of the skyline generation and a new family be created with the r35, never comparing the new r35 to the original skylines.

the m spec nur could have been a legend... the last ever skyline gtr... instead.. its now just a previous model, to be outdone by the next one, and the next one after that.

google r35 skyline and sure enough, you'll get lots popping up.. the gen pop knows it as a skyline.. thats all that matters.

[Beer Baron]

its an r35... which follows on from the r34.. they didnt call it a v35 or 350z-r or something like that... or start a new family chain.. therefore i see it as a predecessor to the R34 GTR.. i feel that the R34 Mspec Nur should have been the end of the skyline generation and a new family be created with the r35, never comparing the new r35 to the original skylines.

the m spec nur could have been a legend... the last ever skyline gtr... instead.. its now just a previous model, to be outdone by the next one, and the next one after that.

google r35 skyline and sure enough, you'll get lots popping up.. the gen pop knows it as a skyline.. thats all that matters.

the R34 is the last skyline GTR. The R35 is just a Nissan GTR. it's very deliberately marketed without the skyline name.

[Roy]

The Alps all look pretty similar. This is the road i went to in Austria in July. (Volvo wagon though )

[writeoff]

its an r35... which follows on from the r34.. they didnt call it a v35 or 350z-r or something like that... or start a new family chain.. therefore i see it as a predecessor to the R34 GTR...

Predecessor means to come before. The predecessor to the R34 was the R33. The R35 GTR is the successor of the R34.

I feel that the R34 Mspec Nur should have been the end of the skyline generation and a new family be created with the r35, never comparing the new r35 to the original skylines.

the m spec nur could have been a legend... the last ever skyline gtr... instead.. its now just a previous model, to be outdone by the next one, and the next one after that.

That would have been the Z-Tune. Made from 2003 onwards.

google r35 skyline and sure enough, you'll get lots popping up.. the gen pop knows it as a skyline.. thats all that matters.

And as in many things in life, the general population would be wrong.

[NZM.031]

Predecessor means to come before. The predecessor to the R34 was the R33. The R35 GTR is the successor of the R34.

That would have been the Z-Tune. Made from 2003 onwards.

And as in many things in life, the general population would be wrong.

hahaha oops... successor is what i meant.. thank you.

z tune was fettled with and released by nismo, so to me its not the same..

general population most definatly wrong... all i mean is that they have dubbed it has a new skyline gtr, whether it is or isnt named a skyline by nissan.

[fungoolie]

google r35 skyline and sure enough, you'll get lots popping up.. the gen pop knows it as a skyline.. thats all that matters.

Actually google images skyline without the R35 and you get surprisingly few R35s popping up!!! Id say its about 1 in 15. You get the concepts appearing which were released before the name was confirmed as just GT-R. Maybe the general population is surprising me with their knowledge here

[Birds]

If the car has four afterburner lights on the tail, it's probably a Skyline or a Corvette. And the R35 isn't pretty enough to be a Corvette so it's most probably a Skyline. It doesn't matter what the manufacturer calls it in their marketing campaigns, the public consensus is what it is. If a car is a piece of shit for example, the market will call it that irrespective of what the manufacturer has to say about it...and the name will ring true.

If Nissan wanted true liberation from the Skyline name they would have ditched the Rxx prefix in favour of a new prefix let alone continue the numbers starting from 35. It didn't need to be called a Skyline because everyone knew it was the new Skyline and given the only level of trim available is the GTR, calling it a Nissan Skyline R35 GTR is an unnecessarily hierarchical/long name to market. What they went for is a balance between giving the car its rise from sports coupe into supercar territory, stealing sales from the Euro manufacturers, all the whilst retaining product interest from the Skyline fanbase (ex R34 owners etc) by retaining the Skyline inference of an "Rxx" prefix. Referring to it as simply the R35 GTR throughout marketing campaigns - I will take a guess at it having alot to do with fellow market buddy names being short and nounless themselves i.e. 911 GT2, R8, M3, F430.

And as in many things in life, the general population would be wrong.

Majority rules man! In a marketing situation like the branding of a vehicle name, telling the majority of a population that they're wrong - is 1980's style marketing suicide! Nissan did a good job of telling everyone that the Pulsar is now called the Tida

[NZM.031]

Actually google images skyline without the R35 and you get surprisingly few R35s popping up!!! Id say its about 1 in 15. You get the concepts appearing which were released before the name was confirmed as just GT-R. Maybe the general population is surprising me with their knowledge here

given that there are 5 models in the 80's and 90s... each with atleast 3 trim levels... getting an r35 pic when you type in skyline is, like you say, 1 in 15 chance... but type in r35 skyline and there should be no images found, as its not called a skyline, but alas... there are many many images with the full r35 skyline in the image title..

the fact that it is on this very forum shows that its considered a skyline.

[Beer Baron]

it does have a completely different prefix. it's a CBAR35 as opposed to BNR32 BCNR33 BNR34...

[Duncan1]

the fact that it is on this very forum shows that its considered a skyline.

Stagea's and Cefiro's also feature on this forum.

Are they Skylines aswell?