Gtr R33 Build

[GTRaddict]

Hey you guys! I'm a newly registered member, even though I've been reading this forum for a year. I'm from canada and the imports are finally making their apperance in a muscle car world lol. I'm finishing university in 2011 so I will be able to import an GTR R33 1996 (15 year rule). I've been reading alot and I have my build all planed out (almost) I juste want you honest opinion about power, drivability, response etc.

GTR R33

rb26

Forged internals

New bearing

Gasket kits.(looking for a good compression 8.5-8.4 opinion)

tomei cam with a 260 duration (suggestions)

Head work (valve porting)

Fully balanced(crank etc)

ajustable Cam gear??? like the old 4 degre advance key in a v8 350 which you can ajust

full Exhaust 4" (if not good correct me)

Garrett 2860-5's (yes I'm running twins)

Apex fc computer (or which one is the best)

Intercooler(heard that the stock one would be good, if not please tell)

Tomei oil pump

Bosch fuel pump (dont remember which one, but like the 044 or something. Ill do resesrch again lol)

Splitfire coils

Do I need an external wastegate or these turbos have the internal wastegates. And if the have the internal wg, should I upgrade to an external wg. I would redirect the exhaust for the wg back in the exhaust (reduce the loud noise)

600cc injector (1cc for 1 hp)

dig. boost controler

PLEASE TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET A ROCKER COVER that says NISSAN GTR I've been searching for 2 months lol no joke (I have attached a picture)

Do I need an upgraded fuel rail?

twin plate clutch

The tranny should hold up. If not should I upgrades the 1-4 gears(syncs).

Does the (fuse removal) technique really works with the tranny. If so, does it damage anythings will being in rwd mode

Will the stock cv shaft hold up

Should I get the V-Spec version for the lsd?

The suspension will be upgraded also(meaby a suggestion... I'm looking for a good street use that can be stiffen for track. 98% street 2%(if that) track

The come with brembo brakes- Are the as good as the say?

We dont have tracks in eastern Canada (New-Brunswick)

My town is called Bathurst. Just like the famous race track in the 90's in your country!! Pretty cool lol

I'm looking for the nice 6 spokes rims. You know which I meen. If you know the brand please tell. Looking for 18's Gold. Car will be black.

Engine bay will be painted black with a candy apple red engine color.

I just want a red engine with ss intercooler piping, the rest will be stock.

I think this is pretty much it. I probably missed something somewhere but thats ok lol.

How much AWHP/WHP will I be making 550?

How much PSI should I be running. ( I read that 1.6 bar is that these turbo's like)

Response: When shoud I see 1 bar 1.6 bar (correct me)

Gas mileage... Just kiding. I would pay for dice lions to run this car lol

Thanks mates!

Nick

[GTRaddict]

Hey you guys! I'm a newly registered member, even though I've been reading this forum for a year. I'm from canada and the imports are finally making their apperance in a muscle car world lol. I'm finishing university in 2011 so I will be able to import an GTR R33 1996 (15 year rule). I've been reading alot and I have my build all planed out (almost) I juste want you honest opinion about power, drivability, response etc.

GTR R33

rb26

Forged internals

New bearing

Gasket kits.(looking for a good compression 8.5-8.4 opinion)

tomei cam with a 260 duration (suggestions)

Head work (valve porting)

Fully balanced(crank etc)

ajustable Cam gear??? like the old 4 degre advance key in a v8 350 which you can ajust

full Exhaust 4" (if not good correct me)

Garrett 2860-5's (yes I'm running twins)

Apex fc computer (or which one is the best)

Intercooler(heard that the stock one would be good, if not please tell)

Tomei oil pump

Bosch fuel pump (dont remember which one, but like the 044 or something. Ill do resesrch again lol)

Splitfire coils

Do I need an external wastegate or these turbos have the internal wastegates. And if the have the internal wg, should I upgrade to an external wg. I would redirect the exhaust for the wg back in the exhaust (reduce the loud noise)

600cc injector (1cc for 1 hp)

dig. boost controler

PLEASE TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET A ROCKER COVER that says NISSAN GTR I've been searching for 2 months lol no joke (I have attached a picture)

Do I need an upgraded fuel rail?

twin plate clutch

The tranny should hold up. If not should I upgrades the 1-4 gears(syncs).

Does the (fuse removal) technique really works with the tranny. If so, does it damage anythings will being in rwd mode

Will the stock cv shaft hold up

Should I get the V-Spec version for the lsd?

The suspension will be upgraded also(meaby a suggestion... I'm looking for a good street use that can be stiffen for track. 98% street 2%(if that) track

The come with brembo brakes- Are the as good as the say?

We dont have tracks in eastern Canada (New-Brunswick)

My town is called Bathurst. Just like the famous race track in the 90's in your country!! Pretty cool lol

I'm looking for the nice 6 spokes rims. You know which I meen. If you know the brand please tell. Looking for 18's Gold. Car will be black.

Engine bay will be painted black with a candy apple red engine color.

I just want a red engine with ss intercooler piping, the rest will be stock.

I think this is pretty much it. I probably missed something somewhere but thats ok lol.

How much AWHP/WHP will I be making 550?

How much PSI should I be running. ( I read that 1.6 bar is that these turbo's like)

Response: When shoud I see 1 bar 1.6 bar (correct me)

Gas mileage... Just kiding. I would pay for dice lions to run this car lol

Thanks mates!

Nick

Forgot to ass the Z32 map or maf? please help here

[Brandon]

At those power figures you've mentioned, I'll go map and and probably 700cc instead of 600.

[Bunta]

Some of my suggestions:

Try ACL gasket kits

I would ditch the Power FC for a Vipec or maybe a haltech….but it depends on the tuners you have there if they are unfamiliar with these products the result wont be as good, so maybe ask your tuner of choice what he likes to work with.

The Turbos have internal wastegates, no need to upgrade to external

No need to upgrade fuel rail

Don’t remove the 4wd fuse on a R33 GTR, they have a preload to the front diff so they are never truly RWD, if you remove the fuse you will prematurely wear the transfer case, The R32 is the only GTR where the fuse removal trick works

The Non V spec diff to my mind is better being a proper mechanical diff, maybe get it shimmed?

For suspension look at the Sydney Kid group buy in here and get something similar

The intercooler should be fine

The wheels you are looking at might be Rays TE37s??

[R31Nismoid]

To start, 550rwhp = 410rwkw.

To attain this you are going to need a serious build to get it out of the -5's. They can do it, and have done so before, however it is not a case of putting in parts and you magically make the power.

You need to ensure the block is prepped correctly or you will split it (ie filling with concrete in the right spots).

Most of golden tricks to making the power lies in the head and porting/modifications, you've made very little point to any head work and honestly i think you'll struggle.

480-500rwhp sounds like a more realistic & achieveable target for you, which pretty much every -5 equipped motor makes without too much trouble.

Its the last 70rwhp or so that requires the development knowledge of RB's and what makes the power.

You comp ratio is also too low. But that depends on what fuel quality you guys have over there (i have no idea)

The turbos have internal gates, that do not need upgrading/mods, you really should know that kind of info mate if you are planning on a build.

Also you cannot run in RWD mode by pulling a fuse, you MUST remove the shaft that drives the case.

600cc injectors are too small IMO, ideally you want the next size up which is around 700-740cc from memory. A bit of headroom is never a bad thing.

Otherwise your list looks pretty much spot on, although i hope you have very deep pockets. You won't see change out of 30,000AUD.

You'll get plenty of PowerFC haters, but at the end of the day combine it with Nismo AFM's - and in the hands of a GOOD tuner you won't have any problems at all.

You'll also get a lot of 3ltr bandwagoners as well, which is something you sound like you do not want.

[Beer Baron]

my advice. I know it's fun planning out all the builds etc, and there is not much else you can do I guess without a car. but I would just start with buying the car. enjoy for a while as it is. you don't need 500hp straight away and the budget to do it properly is going to be tripple the value of the car.

the coil pack cover you want which says nissan GTR is from an R34 GTR, they are just a stick on plate. you can buy one for about AUD $120 or so.

personally get the non vspec if you can as you can cheaply buy a kit from nismo for the diff which will give you a proper 2 way LSD for about $300AUD + fitting.

seriously, things change fast. no point planing the build now without the car. buy the car when you can. enjoy it for a while and THEN see what you want out of it. window shopping your ultimate build is fun but in the end not really much help.

[Bunta]

Powers FCs are good, but they are getting long in the tooth and are way over priced. for similar money now you can get better

and he didnt way he wanted 550whp he just wanted to know what his set up might make and the answer to that is who freaking knows!

[Bunta]

oh yeah i didnt see that he didnt have the car yet...as some one who is going through a rebuild now i can say it isnt a lot of fun so i would drive the car for as long as you can rather than take it off the road as soon as you get it

[Brandon]

Bring out the dragons!

[R31Nismoid]

Powers FCs are good, but they are getting long in the tooth and are way over priced. for similar money now you can get better

and he didnt way he wanted 550whp he just wanted to know what his set up might make and the answer to that is who freaking knows!

Well he asked "will i be making 550rwhp" with a "?", so it was a question, of which the answer too is not quite as simple as yes or no.

Many factors to take into account before saying either way

A PFC is less than $1,000 deliverd brand new.

Any other solution comes in at at the least $1,500, typically $2,000.

About as far from similar as it gets in pricing terms when something is double the price.

The time old argument of 1000 auxilary inputs means nothing.

You do not need 15 data logging points, 20 additional sensors etc etc unless you are in some form of racing.

A PFC is priced for its features, just like any other ECU, and for a street car - more than adequate. That does not make it long in the tooth at all.

And to hammer the point home there are HEAPS of GTR's running around the circuit, hillclimbs, targa, 10 sec or less drag cars etc etc with the 'lowly' PFC.

So they can't be all that bad in the hands of someone capable

[Bunta]

yeah they are $1000 then add in $350 for each Z32 and the price isnt that different, and my main beef isnt the auxillary inputs its the lack of comparitive mapping resolution and the fact that over the years airflow meters have caused me nothing but dramas

[R31Nismoid]

Same with other ECU's, some you need to buy high pressure map sensors and so on depending on the ECU choice/application/needs etc.

AFM issues are just like any other sensor though. I do agree they can be problematic. I've had trouble with mine on the RB26 setup.

However this was due to me being a tightass and getting 2nd hand ones - 100% my own fault for buying 10yr old ones... as with most sensors 10years seems to be about the time when they start play up.

Mapping resolution point is again, racing. You don't need that stuff for a street car. But as i said, it plenty of competitive motorsport people can run, and win events, with a PFC it clearly shows mapping resolution has all of zero to do with it.

Overall though it's horses for courses. You simply pick the ECU your tuner wants to use, and go with that first and foremost to get the best results.

If you don't need a swag of extra features - that you have to admit are arguable in being 'required' - then the PFC is a clear winner.

If you feel you need extra mapping points or whatever, extra inputs, logging - then you will need to look to other ECU's on the market at a higher cost.

I take the assumption he knows his needs, and hence chose the PFC. If im wrong on that assumption then fair enough.

Side note: i think bosch AFM's are about $200-250ea from a contact i have, ive been meaning to try them see if they are the same.

Something i'll get around to one day... lol.

[Bunta]

I have previously agreed with everything you say

The power FC is fine BUT you must admit there is better to be had as even in a street car having more load points can give a nicer result HOWEVER like you say if the tuner has no experience with the other ECUs out there he would be better off with the power FC as every one is now pretty familiar with them.

Would be interesting how the Bosch AFMs compare!

[GTRaddict]

Thanks guys for your comments!!!! Thank you for your time. Just so you know lol I plan on buying the car in 2011 and drive it for 7-8+ year before doing a complete overhaul. Over the years i'll get the stuff and the skylines are starting to make their appearance over here.. so there will be alot of wrecks that I can salvage Nice. I was really a v8 guy all my life. My father build a 71 Pontiac GTO (frame off restoration) an 72 Nova etc. So it grew on me pretty fast lol. But I've comme to appreaciate the quality of japan engines and the work of their enginners... It's almost an obsession :S lol Anyways I really like your comments the were very helpful.

P.S. I'm french(canadian) not "quebecois" (if you might know what it means lol) so I don't write well sometimes lol.

Cheers!

[GTRaddict]

What is the PFC? stock ecu

(reading your posts right now lol

[GTRaddict]

Just for facts:

Or highest octane is 91 and 92 some places. I heard that its not the same rating systems as you guys (octane)

Our import laws are 15 years. Mostly of them are located on the west coast of canada (vancouver) because its close to japan(duh) We start seeing R32 and more Gtst r33. A couples of guys in my town are buiding 240sx(k24a something motor) 150hp n/a but swaped in a rb25 with an gt35r top mount. Pretty nicem he did a lot of work on it. We dont live in igloo's lol

Cheers!

[Brandon]

Apexi Power FC is an aftermarket computer that has been around for ages.

I agree its got a lot lesser feature when comparing to the new ecus but I also agree with Ash on how many of those feature would you need as a day to day street car. The cost of tuning would be a lot cheaper as they're a lot easier. I just got told by a fellow qld sau-er that my tune was a lot cheaper than his (he's using dejetro). I was told the same thing by 2 other reputable tuners before this. Maybe the vipec would be cheaper?

[full_stick]

personally get the non vspec if you can as you can cheaply buy a kit from nismo for the diff which will give you a proper 2 way LSD for about $300AUD + fitting.

Beer Baron, I've got an R34 gtr non vspec and was wondering if a similar diff kit exists for the 34??? If so do you know where I could source such an item? Sorry for the thread hijack...

[UWISSH!]

wow wot a waste of a thread, he says the build isnt even gona happen for 7-8 years.

unless u are actually in the process of obtaining parts to start the build its pretty pointless

so much is gona change in that time, and u probly wont even end up buying a gtr

my 2 cents

[Blitz]

wow wot a waste of a thread, he says the build isnt even gona happen for 7-8 years.

unless u are actually in the process of obtaining parts to start the build its pretty pointless

so much is gona change in that time, and u probly wont even end up buying a gtr

my 2 cents

So you dropped by this thread to say this? Very constructive.