safc are they worth it?

[nizmokid]

Like the title said are they any good and will I be able to get more power out of my engine (25det)?

also is there a different one for every model car?

how easy are they to use and what cool features do they have?

[Guest Robo's]

Check out some searches, i picked up a heap of power, only coz my R33 was running rich and running like a dog.

For the money, its the best $$$ i have spent, but others may disagree.

[CerealKiller]

http://www.apexi-usa.com/electronics_safc.asp

some people have gained 30rwkw with the SAFC tuned. Different cars, different mods, different tuners, different gains.

As far as I know it's universal (unlike the PowerFC).

[akeenan]

they are worth it. best dollar for kw increase avaliable,.. do the boost at the same time if you havent already

[Guest RedLineGTR]

they are good but not for big upgrades etc..your better off getting a e-manage it does what the safc does plus it does ignition which helps out in the future plus heaps of other options. But its good for power under 200rwkw-190rwkw depends on mods etc..

[Guest RedLineGTR]

its a good simple upgrade..even if you upgrade to better management then thier is always someone to sell it too.

[hippy]

i think if ur plan is under 200rwkw or thereabouts ... its good and cheap ... anything higher than look for a powerfc ...

[gtrGhosTDoGG11]

I know PowerFC is defectable in SA but is the SAFC?

[nizmokid]

might get one of these units for the line! are they easy to tune?

[JimX]

I got an S-AFC soon after getting my mildly modded car (T04 turbo, exhaust, boost controller, small FMIC) and it gave me a uniform extra 15rwkw across the board.

Then after a few more mods, which were a bigger FMIC, new front facing plenum, bigger fuel pump, upgraded wastegate actuator to handle more boost, and running higher boost, the car got 2 massive dips in the powerband even after re-tuning the S-AFC. I had more power up top, but it felt very flat after 5000rpm or so.

At this stage I upgraded to a PowerFC and it's fixed it. And I haven't even tuned it yet. I don't think it was a case of the ECU and S-AFC not handling the power, I just think the airflow was so radically different from stock that caused it to have a bit of a sad. There are other guys running over 215rwkw with S-AFC and no problems. Part of it is luck.

I say you should get a second hand S-AFC, and when the car starts not coping, sell it and get a PowerFC.

[nizmokid]

thanks for the info I am realy looing at buying one of these units now until I decide on up grading to a bigger turbo ect.

Oh another question, with cam gears do you need a aftermarket ecu to run after market cam gears?

[Dahtone Racing]

I know PowerFC is defectable in SA but is the SAFC?

are you serious?

how can the defect u for a PFC

coppers rip off ur kick panel and go "show me ur ECU"?????

its gettin beyond a joke this defect bullsh*t

[JimX]

Oh another question, with cam gears do you need a aftermarket ecu to run after market cam gears?

You don't need an aftermarket ECU to run adjustable cam gears but it may help. I installed mine and I found that the best setting was on 0 degrees (ie same as factory). This may change after tuning though.

You can't easily tune them yourself at home, best to do on the dyno where you can monitor the air fuel ratio so you don't run it too lean. If you know how to use a dyno properly it should take around an hour, otherwise give it to the workshop and they'll charge you around $200-300 for the same thing.

[gtrGhosTDoGG11]

2GU UP

I am dead serious, the cops don't pull off the kick panel.

But the Registration office that does the inspections for defects will pull your car apart looking for stuff like this.

I have even heard of inspectors undoing the casing to look at the circuitry on the ECU to check that it is standard. You would have to be desperately unlucky I would imagine.