Anyone Know This Forum User?

[Lukas 33]

This may sound stupid but maybe there should be extra measure put into place to avoid this sort of thing.

Like before you are able to sell an item you have to speak to admin. Give them a copy of your drivers license and maybe something else like an up to date utilities bill and maybe have a quick chat online (with cam to prove that you are the person on the license). Then admin can make a little database with people who have been interviewed/scanned to show who are legit and who aren't.

I know that probably sounds stupid and will probably be flamed. I also know that it would take some time.

Cheers

Lukas

[TiTAN]

the mods dont get paid to do what they do, thats hours and hours of work.

[NISMOGTT]

Guys there is ways to prevent this already... it is called Aussie Post... you simply organise for them to hold the money and the "seller" can not get it until you have signed for the goods... my girl has done this before as a "just in case" measure and not had an issue...

try this in future....

[midnight]

yeah because auspost can freight an engine^

[R31Nismoid]

the mods dont get paid to do what they do, thats hours and hours of work.

You mean months of work each day

There are 100+ threads a day created... borders on the impossible.

[MBS206]

On signup to the forums, as toymods does, need the real address and admins have to approve... The only issue there is time for admin again... Approval at toymods to just have membership can take 3 months (That's the forums, not the club!)

[R31Nismoid]

in 18months we've grown over 10,000 users - so forget that as well.

Plus that toymods method does not stop anyone at all from being ripped off, it simply wastes Admin's time.

Trust me when i say Admin does as much as they can, and this place is one of the safest.

[W0rp3D]

This may sound stupid but maybe there should be extra measure put into place to avoid this sort of thing.

Like before you are able to sell an item you have to speak to admin. Give them a copy of your drivers license and maybe something else like an up to date utilities bill and maybe have a quick chat online (with cam to prove that you are the person on the license). Then admin can make a little database with people who have been interviewed/scanned to show who are legit and who aren't.

I know that probably sounds stupid and will probably be flamed. I also know that it would take some time.

Cheers

Lukas

That would be something the buyer should do not admin.

On signup to the forums, as toymods does, need the real address and admins have to approve... The only issue there is time for admin again... Approval at toymods to just have membership can take 3 months (That's the forums, not the club!)

I dont like giving out personal information especially when signing up to a forum, i have an account at toymods, tried using fake details and it got denied, so instead i used the white pages, pulled up an address and used that along with the name and phone number listed for that address and i got approved, not that hard to get around there checks.

[Lazy-Bastard]

QUOTE (Axis-D @ 14 Nov 2009, 11:30 AM)

His name is Raymond Daley and his from Kingaroy in QLD. Im from Melbourne. I transfer $1920 into his account and still not have received my motor or my money back (its been a month). I try calling him and he pretends to be someone else. I contacted the Fed police but they are too slow.

PLZ HELP ME ANYONE. THIS GUY HAS RIPPED ME OFF $2000! /QUOTE

Whitepages says there's only 1 R Daley in Kingaroy....

Daley R

68 Haly St East

(07) 4162 7220

[saliya]

SAU will not be releasing IP addresses. Plus if you think a IP helps you are a tad silly.

I can't think of one dodgy trader that i've banned that has used a static IP. All are dynamic or O/S.

It's worthwhile doing this:

* asking SAU to record (in a verified manner; i.e. signed-off by an admin) the IP address.

* asking SAU to trace and whois the IP address

* asking SAU to contact (in writing) the owners of the IP address and notify them of the date/time of the alleged offence,

and that they would like the owners to keep the relevant data (e.g. which subscriber(s) was using the IP at that date/time)

in anticipation of an s.282 request from the Police.

Being dynamic most users have shared the IP with someone at some point, not really that useful now is it?

You'd need the ISP to release that information, which they will not without a request from Police.

There are mechanisms in place to facilitate this. The important thing is to make sure that the ISP is notified (in writing)

so that even if they _don't_ have the proper authority (s.282 request, per Telecommunications Act 1997)

to release the information they can at least ensure that it is stored in anticipation of getting the proper authority.

You don't want to get the proper authority only to be told "sorry, that data was deleted a month ago".

IMO SAU should publish the IP addresses associated with all posts/PMs along with the other data published (e.g. the user that posted).

Then the poster has no expectation that their IP address will be hidden from the readers/recipients; and the above SAU actions

can all be performed by the user rather than an SAU admin.

Regards,

Saliya

[Beer Baron]

the only person who can stop the rip-offs is the buyer. we can put in all sorts of measures to try and verify who people are but people will still get around it. plus we do not have anything near the resources to do this for every member. it would cost money and mean the forum would become $50 to join and take a week for your application to be processed. that doesn't sound like fun to me.

this is primarily a forum to share help, knowledge, ideas and problems with skylines and other nissans and cars in general. it's not ebay. we do have a for sale section but it's not the reason the site exists.

I can tell you I have NEVER been ripped off by anyone on this forum or any other and I would have completed literally thousands of transactions with people over the internet.

some advice.

always pick-up the item if you can, or at least suggest it and judge the sellers response (say, I have a mate up your way who can pick it up for me). if they say no then chances are they are trying to rip you.

LOOK AT THEIR TRADER FEEDBACK - this cannot be stressed enough. it's why we have it. a guy with 0 feedback will warrant some carefullness on your part.

LOOK AT THEIR FORUM POST HISTORY - this is easy and will show you if they are an active member, and will show you if they are physically 'known' by other members in their area. that way if worst comes to worst you know that people on here know them personally and can help you solve the problem.

protect yourself as much as possible by using paypal, or escrow, or COD etc.

Get as much info as you can about them and verify it. ph numbers (landline and mobile) address, full name, etc. all important to have.

lastly, if it seems to good to be true.........it ALWAYS is.

as admins we will help you as much as we legally can (within the level our time resources allow too). but the onus is on the buyer. don't become a victim.

[SECURITY]

yeah, admin in SAU cant do crap mate. when i got ripped by sliding performance for the shonky turbo they sold me i got absolutely 0 support - and sliding operate directly from SAU. no pressure was put on them to do the right thing and they didnt even try, so dont bother asking the admins for help.

[WizardBlack]

Pay a visit to him and see if this jogs the memory from his melon.

EDIT: Oops, forgot to put the smiley at the end. Heh heh.

I've had to travel as much as 10 hours driving each way to go after deadbeats. They usually change their tune when you are face-to-face with them.

Edited December 9, 2009 by WizardBlack

[Beer Baron]

yeah, admin in SAU cant do crap mate. when i got ripped by sliding performance for the shonky turbo they sold me i got absolutely 0 support - and sliding operate directly from SAU. no pressure was put on them to do the right thing and they didnt even try, so dont bother asking the admins for help.

yikes! one small point though. sliding don't (no one does for that matter) "operate directly from SAU", they pay to advertise on this site. if you saw an ad in HPI, rang up the company, bought something and it was fked, would you expect HPI to sort it out for you since the ad was in their magazine? I wouldn't. I would expect that it is my responsibility to sort it out with the company involved, and any government agency available to me (regulatory bodies, industry bodies, police, fair trading etc).

[R31Nismoid]

It's worthwhile doing this:

* asking SAU to record (in a verified manner; i.e. signed-off by an admin) the IP address.

* asking SAU to trace and whois the IP address

* asking SAU to contact (in writing) the owners of the IP address and notify them of the date/time of the alleged offence,

and that they would like the owners to keep the relevant data (e.g. which subscriber(s) was using the IP at that date/time)

in anticipation of an s.282 request from the Police.

There are mechanisms in place to facilitate this. The important thing is to make sure that the ISP is notified (in writing)

so that even if they _don't_ have the proper authority (s.282 request, per Telecommunications Act 1997)

to release the information they can at least ensure that it is stored in anticipation of getting the proper authority.

You don't want to get the proper authority only to be told "sorry, that data was deleted a month ago".

IMO SAU should publish the IP addresses associated with all posts/PMs along with the other data published (e.g. the user that posted).

Then the poster has no expectation that their IP address will be hidden from the readers/recipients; and the above SAU actions

can all be performed by the user rather than an SAU admin.

Regards,

Saliya

SAU signs off each IP? Impossible. As I said, dynamic IP’s mean some users have 1,000 IP addresses in 1,000 posts.

SAU trace IP? Nope, not without police contacting, I will not do this. Waste of time and ALWAYS two sides to every story, the Police can investigate first and decide if there is a case. 99% of the “dodgy trader” complaints are simply buyers being impatient with freight. Sometimes the post takes a few days.

SAU is not at fault here.

SAU carries no responsibility.

SAU will be doing no investigations, notifying any parties etc etc.

SAU will not be publishing IP’s for user security. Not everyone is smart enough to have a decent firewall/protection.

I think that makes it clear enough. For the record, not once have I had Police contact me about investigations.

So either…

1. It’s not ever required.

2. The person never actually went to the Police in the first place (most likely scenario)

3. The person has realised that chasing $500 is a waste of time, which it is. Suck up your mistake and learn from it.

If a person is silly enough to blindly EFT money to someone without proper safeguards – this will not ever be anyone’s fault/risk bar the person who does it.

For the record – I’ve never been ripped off either, nor will I.

[dan_the_man]

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Re...ud-t291149.html

[R31Nismoid]

yeah, admin in SAU cant do crap mate. when i got ripped by sliding performance for the shonky turbo they sold me i got absolutely 0 support - and sliding operate directly from SAU. no pressure was put on them to do the right thing and they didnt even try, so dont bother asking the admins for help.

yikes! one small point though. sliding don't (no one does for that matter) "operate directly from SAU", they pay to advertise on this site. if you saw an ad in HPI, rang up the company, bought something and it was fked, would you expect HPI to sort it out for you since the ad was in their magazine? I wouldn't. I would expect that it is my responsibility to sort it out with the company involved, and any government agency available to me (regulatory bodies, industry bodies, police, fair trading etc).

Joe - read that and maybe this time - take it in please?

SAU had nothing to do with a traders item breaking, so stop whinging about it.

Your product was purchased from a trader is between the Trader & the Customer.

SAU has nothing to do with it. Just because they advertise here doesn't mean much at all when its an isolated incident.

You then proceeded to attack Sliding Performance over this forum in direct violation of the rules, so of course you were ignored.

The process for you was simple.

1. Contact Sliding Performance and should a suitable outcome not be attained

2. Contact the relevant Gov't bodies

Notice how there is NO mention of SAU in the above process? That is because we have nothing to do with it.

I'm still surprised you have been unable to comprehend this rather simple process and where responsibility lies, or maybe you just don't want to accept it.

Either/or, no skin off our noses here to be honest as SAU has done nothing wrong.

[dan_the_man]

This may sound stupid but maybe there should be extra measure put into place to avoid this sort of thing.

Like before you are able to sell an item you have to speak to admin. Give them a copy of your drivers license and maybe something else like an up to date utilities bill and maybe have a quick chat online (with cam to prove that you are the person on the license). Then admin can make a little database with people who have been interviewed/scanned to show who are legit and who aren't.

I know that probably sounds stupid and will probably be flamed. I also know that it would take some time.

Cheers

Lukas

Unfortunately that is not really practical.

[James_03]

This may sound stupid but maybe there should be extra measure put into place to avoid this sort of thing.

Like before you are able to sell an item you have to speak to admin. Give them a copy of your drivers license and maybe something else like an up to date utilities bill and maybe have a quick chat online (with cam to prove that you are the person on the license). Then admin can make a little database with people who have been interviewed/scanned to show who are legit and who aren't.

I know that probably sounds stupid and will probably be flamed. I also know that it would take some time.

Cheers

Lukas

Take some time? Are you kidding?

Take a look at how many new items are advertised in the trading section on a daily basis. That would be literally a full time job for like 5 admins, not even remotely practical.

You just need to check the sellers activity on the forums, previous items sold etc etc. Blinding EFT 2k into a lurkers account is just asking for it.

[Birds]

Don't blame SAU. The only reason someone would is because they f***ed up and are now playing the blame game after realising their money is long gone. If you lost money to a scammer you probably deserved to for being so easy with it. Consider it a form of monetary evolution...survival of the fittest. Or, a fool and his money are soon parted.

Cash on delivery. It's been around for years and years and years. Hell I used the shit when I was 11 years old to buy Nintendo games from interstate. If you're handing someone hundreds of dollars for an item I'm sure they won't mind going to some measures of proving they're legit for you. Plenty of freight companies can do this too, so don't go on about items being too big for Australia post.