Incorrect Badging Of A Car

[scathing]

as i said, i want it to represent the XY GT. Im buidling it to the same specifications as a GT would be built.

So shouldn't it then be an XY GT RB (where the RB means "Representative by Br3ndan")?

Why cant i make a car that is close to the car i inspire to have in the future?

There's no reason why you can't. My question is "why make a car that looks exactly like the car you aspire to have in the future, but isn't?"

And what i meant by the whole workshop thing, is that i hate poeple who send their cars to work shops get the work done and go on about how its their car. TEchnically it is their car, but they didnt do any work on it. So to me, that isnt worth sh*t.

"Their", in the context you're talking about, denotes possession. As long as its not on a secured loan, what they've said is less of a lie than you putting XY GT badges on your project.

If you want to use "their car" in the context of construction, technically only Ford can call the XY in your possession "theirs". All you're doing is fixing it up, which makes you an amateur smash repairer. The smashie I go to doesn't call the car in my possession "theirs", and it'd raise eyebrows with I told people they started to.

If you get your hands on a mint XY GT that you therefore don't need to fix, since you didn't do any work on it does that means its not "yours"?

Simply sticking a GTR badge on a GTS T and giving it the GTR kit on the other hand... yes that is wrong. Because its not giving credit to the GTR , its damaging the brand and reputation that the GTR gives out.

At what point is it OK then? At what point of modification of a GTS-t (or GTS4) is it OK to call it a "GT-R replica", and add the badges to suit?

Is Advan Performance's R33 GTS-4, with transplanted GT-R running gear, a "GT-R replica" worthy of wearing the badge?

[l_uk3y]

The simple fact is though, they are being ADVERTISED as REPLICA. And every part on those particular models is designed to match the model.

Different league to a factory R32-33-34. With a set of fibreglass copy panels and some badging.

Now if that same person was to take that gts and change the drivetrain, engine, suspension, bodywork, interior, etc etc etc. To the point where is matchs the specs of a GTR exactly. THEN advertise it as a replica. Then i dont see it being a problem except for financial loss in doing such a thing.

[br3ndan]

The simple fact is though, they are being ADVERTISED as REPLICA. And every part on those particular models is designed to match the model.

Different league to a factory R32-33-34. With a set of fibreglass copy panels and some badging.

Now if that same person was to take that gts and change the drivetrain, engine, suspension, bodywork, interior, etc etc etc. To the point where is matchs the specs of a GTR exactly. THEN advertise it as a replica. Then i dont see it being a problem except for financial loss in doing such a thing.

couldnt of said it better my self

[steveqwerty]

Saw this the other week.

A GTS-R badge belongs on a R31

Edited December 14, 2009 by steveqwerty

[saliya]

Hi, all

So is badging a car as one thing, when it is a lesser thing, wrong?

Simple.

If it is a <non-foo> but badged and sold as a <foo>, fraud.

Badged as <foo> but sold as <bar>, where <bar> is the model - fine.

If a buyer is worried about whether, for example, gt-r vs gtt applies, check the rear guards and ATTESSA. For the most part, costs more to do up as a gtr than the genuine article.

Cheers,

Saliya

[bozodos]

ahh scathing you do love to present the opposite opinion don't you

it's marque by the way, not mark.

The problem with making a 100% XY GT (or any muscle car replica up to the HDT's), is that when you do that, there are no guarantees that the next owner of the car isn't going to try and pass it off as the real deal; look at the brock commodores forum for example, fake HDT's are rife, with people known to have stolen blank build plates from HDT in the past, and swapped plates out of other cars. It often comes down to things like seats, and unique mixes of interior items (say map pockets or lack of etc) to try and separate the wheat from the chaff.

There are a number of fake GTs around here, with one even being a 6cyl! Not to mention the fake Chargers getting around. That's where I see a bit of deceit going on - for example an XY Fairmont GS being passed off as a "genuine restored GT" at a local car show, despite the build plate giving it away!

Due to the insane cost and pointlessness due to the amount of GT-R's I don't see this happening any time in the near future, and yeah GT-R badges are wanky on anything but the real deal, it's like when you see a Commodore Executive with SS or Clubsport badging lol.

[Shiraz200SX]

i'm of the mindset, that if you build a car with everything IDENTICAL to the factory specifications, you may then then add genuine badges (not shitty ebay ones) and then re-badge it. i think that you should also add your own touch to the badging, for example if i bought an r33 GTS-T and replaced everything in it with GTR components (ie everything bar the chassis and shell) i would then badge with the iconic GT-R badge, but i would probably add a small silver sticker underneath with like "backyard spec" or some shit like that, so if anyone queries it, you can say "not a regular gtr, but a deadly backyard built one or whatever. problem is that ricers with gts NA skylines and NA silvias and all the other garden variety NA imports rape the idea of rebadging, not as a tribute to the original, but by badging it for status (or to pick up wheel biters).

the xy gt questions, as long as you're building it as a tribute to the australian icon, thats cool, just add your own touch, so you don't take away from the thousands of dollars spent by an original owner, just to differentiate your car from theirs. I mean, if i had a gtho phase 3 and someone in a 6cyl had kitted it up to look the same and used the same badging, and i'd forked out 500K or whatever, i'd be inclined to screwdriver them off and give them a mouthful.

but as long as its your tribute, and you spin it your own way, and you can tell the difference between it and the genuine article, i dont see why both couldn't be enjoyed in their own way. even though we are japanese car fans, everyone can appreciate hundreds of hours lovingly spent restoring a car of any kind.

[Char]

Saw this the other week.

A GTS-R badge belongs on a R31

i HATE skylines badged as GTRs when they arent, the GTS-R i think is ok on some cars though ie, v8eater's R32 gts4 with RB26 - thought that was pretty sik.

also do i have to put my car up for sale as a VW?

[Silvia GTR]

Incorrect badging is really fail imo

[Hanaldo]

Mmmm i agree with most of the posts in here, while i think incorrect badging is stupid, i also believe the owner of the car can do what they want as long as they don't try to pass it off as what they have badged it as.

Having read the for sale post Canute is referring to (I assume so anyway, can't imagine there are that many of them), i have to say i completely disagree with the seller and what he is/was trying to do. A couple of months ago i read his previous for sale thread where he was trying to sell his GTT as a GTR with an engine swap. I think that is wrong, and should be illegal if it isn't already. Now he has changed his thread so that he identifies it as a GTT, but clearly tries to explain how nobody will ever know that it isn't a GTR. While it is a very nice looking car (It looks exactly like an R34 GTR, so of course its sexy as), i don't think it should ever try to be passed off as a GTR. It is what it is, and that is a dressed up GTT

[Mayuri Krab]

Mmmm i agree with most of the posts in here, while i think incorrect badging is stupid, i also believe the owner of the car can do what they want as long as they don't try to pass it off as what they have badged it as.

+1

The owner of "Car A" can do what ever mod they want to it to make it look like "Car B" as long as they still label it as Car A when selling it (or label it as "Car A" modded to look like "Car B").

Whether what other people think about making a car (usually lower spec) to look like a different model is gay or stupid etc etc is irrelvant.

Edited December 14, 2009 by Mayuri Krab

[GTR-N1]

Agreed ^^^

To EMULATE is different from to DECEIVE.

Case in point.

Autostyle earlier this year sold an R34 GT-R VS dressed up as a Mines Replica.

It was dressed up to imitate the Mines car.

It was made to emulate a Mines car.

It was sold as a replica.

There was no deception.

Whether or not the new owner wants to pretend that he's driving something akin to a Mines is up to him. I think he'd know full well that if one day he comes to sell it, it would be sold again as a replica.

PS Definition of "Emulate":- to strive to equal or excel, especially through imitation.

And then there's the saying:- "Imitation is the greatest form of flattery"

[Iron Chef]

^^Correct - incorrect badging is just gay, but trying to sell said car as the one being imitated is illegal.

[NZM.031]

i think its plain ghey.. its like with any knock offs though.. whether it be Vork wheels... or a LV knockoff handbag.. its no difference. someone has paid for a genuine LV handbag, and you want to look like them and have people think you are cashed up, so you buy one from ebay.. what this does though... is not lift you up to the point where people think YOU have a genuine LV handbag... but bring the real one down as being thought of as fake first.. real second.

everyone should be happy and proud of what their car/item is... and not feel inadequete when the higher spec models are around.. putting a gtr badge on a gtst, or a vspec sticker on a gtr, or a GT2 sticker on a 911 is insulting to those who have forked out and bought the higher spec model.

making a replica of an original is a different story... there are bugger all of the older cars around.. so if you are making a KPGC10 replica, GTHO replica, GT500 replica, etc.. then i think thats ok, as you want it to be as original as possible, it will only mean something to you, you arent trying to take away from the original car, you are trying to emulate it as Terry has said.. not trying to pass off, or class your 2wd single turbo skyline as the big brother 4wd, twin turbo skyline.

just dont do it.

[.:: GimpS-R34 ::.]

Further to that, I believe that it is inappropriate for this forum to provide a platform for people selling cars that are incorrectly badged. If it is clear that the badging is incorrect, the seller should be asked to remove the incorrect badging as a condition of offering it for sale on these forums.

First of all how is it dangerously misleading.. misleading, yes. but not dangerously..

2nd. I agree that it is a cock thing to do in some situations (GTR badge, Clubsport badge, etc) and those guys belong in the Honda forums..

3rd.. For the part that i quoted.. How do you expect admin to troll through ALL For Sale posts weeding out incorrect/misleading info.. To start with if the mods made a mistake then that would spark another "Mod V Everyone" fight for abusing the powah.. Then the time required would be immense.. I vote you quit your job and become said troll.. If you see something that you arent happy with then click the 'Report' button.. i'm sure the mod looking after the section will be able to help you out..

[mad082]

Agreed ^^^

To EMULATE is different from to DECEIVE.

Case in point.

Autostyle earlier this year sold an R34 GT-R VS dressed up as a Mines Replica.

It was dressed up to imitate the Mines car.

It was made to emulate a Mines car.

It was sold as a replica.

There was no deception.

Whether or not the new owner wants to pretend that he's driving something akin to a Mines is up to him. I think he'd know full well that if one day he comes to sell it, it would be sold again as a replica.

PS Definition of "Emulate":- to strive to equal or excel, especially through imitation.

And then there's the saying:- "Imitation is the greatest form of flattery"

i know the guy that bought that car (the car now resides in gympie). when he first got it i think he tried to pass it off as the original time attack car to a few people, even increasing the price that he paid for it (going off what i heard from people he was talking to about it, but they also may have misunderstood him). although once i pointed out to a few key people that it was the replica (and a few others knew what it was to start with, having seen it in magazines since it still had the same plates) he seemed changed his tune. however he can still call it a mines car as the engine, etc was all built by mines.

as for the XY, the only difference between a lot of the replicas and the genuine ones are the body number. some of the replicas will have more genuine parts than some genuine ones that haven't been kept in 100% original condition because they have made sure that every part is original.

at the end of the day, even if someone tries to sell a fake for a lot of money, if the numbers don't match they are going to have a hard time selling it.

as for GTR's etc, there are plenty of jap cars that have had the clock wound back before being imported. this probably happens much more than we care to acknowledge.

as to what someone above said about the manufacturers using the same car but badging them differently (such as the ford laser and mazda 323) the cars have the same body but will often be different spec, have different interior trims, etc so it makes them a bit harder to pass off as the other model than just sticking a badge on it. but that doesn't stop people doing it.

within the skyline range there is 1 main error made by a lot of people selling cars, even dealers. that is the type m/m spec name. the amount of M spec r32 and r33 gtst's that you see is amazing, yet the M spec is a r34 gtr model. they should be calling them type M. sure this isn't as bad as an incorrect badge, etc, but it is still incorrect and it is an ever growing problem.

[Iron Chef]

Delete - misread it lol

Edited December 15, 2009 by Iron Chef

[Kinkstaah]

De badging is where its at.

Why do people de-badge cars? I never understood this, and my car is actually debadged by it's previous owner.

I just don't understand why people would do it, other than if you are doing a conversion, and putting on new badges to reflect that (which seems to cause contraversy). In my case, that didn't happen, and the badges that were removed weren't even relevant to the work that had been done on it, so.. why?

[1R34SON]

Doesnt matter what it is. It is what it is. Nothin more nothin less. Accept it or piss it off.

Put a corona label on a emu export stubbie and give one to your old man. Hell probably punch u in the face.

[NZM.031]

Doesnt matter what it is. It is what it is. Nothin more nothin less. Accept it or piss it off.

Put a corona label on a emu export stubbie and give one to your old man. Hell probably punch u in the face.