Incorrect Badging Of A Car

[Char]

Doesnt matter what it is. It is what it is. Nothin more nothin less. Accept it or piss it off.

Put a corona label on a emu export stubbie and give one to your old man. Hell probably punch u in the face.

haha

my dad uses old corona bottles to put his home brew in..

"man this corona tastes like sh#t"

"maybe it just need a slice of lemon?"

[zique]

how about this...what would you say to a gtr being badged as a gtst?

I bought a gtr (the rear badge was screw-drivered off..sadly) and people used to hassle me to race them at the lights or do burnouts etc etc.I then decided to put a gtst badge on the rear.And I get less people hassling me now.

I remember this topic being brought up years ago on SAU..and also remember what one of the members said.A very different answer to what everyone had said relating to how gtsts being badged as gtrs.I'll try my best to rephrase what he said.

With the greater number of gtsts or gts4s etc etc being badged as GTRs..those not in the know (bloody car thieves!) would be stealing the wrong cars,thinking its a gtr.

So wouldnt that be a good thing for the real gtr owners?..

[SilverECR33]

man, Americans Re-badge sh it all the time..

[SilverECR33]

Not that I condone it ofc.. just sayin

[bozodos]

My GTS-4 was debadged by the previous owner with the rationale that it was less likely to be burglarised because it looked just like a GTS-T rather than something a bit rarer lol

[wlspn]

Not fond of imitation of higher models (GTST with GTR badge, etc) & trying to pass them off as the real thing. Saw a GTT on Carsales just last week advertised as a AWD twin-turbo GTR when engine-bay pics clearly showed an RB25... Wanker!

Also looking at Commodores for sale, the amount of people that call their executive, etc a SS, even when it has a (non-supercharged) 6 in it is ridiculous.

Maybe some of these people are just clueless & believe they do have an SS but some must be trying their luck at getting more money...

On saying all this, I am talking of badges alone... I would (& possibly will), fit an R32 GTR bonnet & grill to my GTST, but for cooling & weight reduction, not to try & claim it as a GTR. If I was to do this, I would probably also fit a genuine GTR front bumper (& N1 vents), once again not to claim status but as I believe they are a good looking item & for the price you wouldnt get an aftermarket item of matching quality... (N1 vents for added airflow/cooling)

Upon the same lines I would fit GTR front guards (if I had fibreglass, etc rears) for the weight advantage & extra width... If I was to write off my GTST body, & could get one for the right price, I would probably even buy a GTR rolling shell & fit all my RWD running gear, RB25, etc to it, once again for weight & track advantage. I would not however, try to pass it off as a GTR...

The only times I have thought badge-swapping even mildly OK is when an RB26 is fitted to an S13, R31, etc as they are using the badge simply to represent the hard work theyve put into an engine swap. Nobody with ANY knowledge would think the car was an AWD semi-track spec factory release...

Just my thoughts

[scathing]

ahh scathing you do love to present the opposite opinion don't you

I like to understand why people think the way they do. Sometimes that means presenting a corollary opinion to theirs, especially if I'm sensing logic gaps.

In the "replica" example, part of a car's desirability (which is part of br3ndan's motivation) is its rarity. Churning out replicas diminishes that. They're not as "good", and it adds to their "commonness".

In an example, over here if you own a Mustang people will to line up to fellate you. In the US, they're so common they're as boring to Yanks as Falcodores are here. If not for the rarity, people wouldn't give too hoots about them.

By the same token, on the 350Z forum a guy was considering straight-swapping a low mileage 350Z for an R33 GTS-t. Road legal Skylines are rarer than hen's teeth in the US due to certain dodgyiness, and so for them they'd be making a transaction we'd never consider in Australia.

And I don't understand how someone who apparently "loves" something wants to take away from it. If every XY you saw was a "GT replica" and they were all driven every day so you saw them all the time, no-one would know if a real GT went past them. Or, if they're they great unwashed, they wouldn't even care. "Oh its just another one of those old Fords that are destroying the environment".

it's marque by the way, not mark.

It's probably because I've been reading up on trademark violations, but I got the impression that he was referring to "mark" as shorthand for "trademark" (which is an abbrevation trademark lawyers use). His references to "devaluing" and other business jargon reinforced it.

"Marque", by definition, is the make of a car and not the model. Since he's specifically referring to the GT-R model and not Nissans in general, he's technically using the term correctly since the "GT-R" and "V-Spec" logos he states values so highly (and doesn't like the plebs in GTSts copying) are registered trademarks of the Nissan Corporation.

He might have used them correctly by accident, but he sounds too much like a business/commerce type to mix them up.

i'm of the mindset, that if you build a car with everything IDENTICAL to the factory specifications, you may then then add genuine badges (not shitty ebay ones) and then re-badge it.

Lets say I built an R34 GT-R up to ful Z-Tune spec. Would it be OK if I were to custom make a Nismo build plate with 21/21? After all, the original car had a "x of 20" plate on it and, to be as "close to the original as possible", I'd need to have one too.

Or does it sound to you like the complete toss it clearly is?

i think that you should also add your own touch to the badging

So would I.

If br3ndan were to make up some matching badges that said "Replica" (with a font that suited the rest of the badging on the car) then I'd honestly have no problems with it, and think it was a fantastic idea. To me it keeps the "honesty" in it while still respecting the original.

I'm not taking away from br3ndan's work. Of all the classic Aussie cars the XY is my favourite, and I would love to see/hear it when its done. If I had the mechanical knowhow/finances/time to build up an XY with a big, f**k-off, V8 I would. It wouldn't be original, but it'd still look reasonably like it came from the period.

[sh@un]

I've always had the same view on this type of thing (GT-R badges on GTS-t's and the like), and it's obvious that;

a) Those who don't know any better couldn't care less, and prolly just think "There's another one of dem hoon drivers"

or

b) People who do know better (like us) don't give out any kudos for it anyway

so what's the point exactly?

[bozodos]

aha that explains that then, I was wondering why everyone kept using the word mark, and that was the closest thing which sprung to mind.

Yeah thats right about the rarity of cars - you can buy Mustangs for next to nothing over in the US and for that reason most of them do absolutely nothing for me.

What it comes down to is really making a counterfeit of anything; you'd be pissed off if someone passed of say a no name turbo as a Garrett, even if the comp housing had the garret stamps and build plate, can't see how it's any different with cars

[GTR-N1]

Counterfeit or Replica?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:'76_...a_Celica_GT.JPG

[.:: GimpS-R34 ::.]

dont they basically mean the same thing terry :S

[mad082]

counterfeit is different to replica in the case of most cars. if something is made using all genuine parts (as a lot of replica cars are) then they aren't counterfeit as counterfeit is when you use fake parts (or reproduction parts) that look like the real parts.

a lot of replicas will be using genuine parts from original cars. but then you will get some genuine cars that will have parts in them that are imitation/reproduction parts, so which is more genuine?

[TALBO]

But as a whole (all the genuine parts combined), is it a counterfeit car?

[910trx]

scinario:-

stagea with badges etc

r34 GTR mags with GTR written on the hub caps

1. Ghey

2. remove the hubcaps its misleading!

3. its fine - if you are stupid enough to think its a gtr stagea then you should drown yourself?

as to the xy - i see no harm in calling it a gtr replica when all efforts to replicate it as standard have been conducted - not just badge swapping.

and i want to see pics - sounds like a nice build.

[scathing]

a lot of replicas will be using genuine parts from original cars. but then you will get some genuine cars that will have parts in them that are imitation/reproduction parts, so which is more genuine?

For me, the definition of "genuine" is its how it (and, generally, I'd class "it" as the chassis) left the factory. Any model designation is just a brand name, and so its an arbitrary title.

I realise that this definition has its problems. Lets say you owned two XYs. One is a genuine GT, and the other is some entry model one. If both cars were to be stripped down to the chassis and all the parts swapped over (engine and all) aside from the build plate and whatever other identifiers the law/OEMs use to identify a vehicle, I'd still consider the former to be the "real" GT (even though it looks, feels, sounds and goes like the slow one) and the latter to not deserve to wear the GT moniker (even though it has everything that makes a GT a GT).

I'd feel wrong calling the stripped car a GT since the result would be horrible shitbox, but then I feel that it's a bit wrong calling WRXs that have had their interiors and exteriors defecated on for car shows "WRX's" as well, for the same reasons.

[mad082]

well then in that case there would be a hell of a lot of gts-t's owned by people on here that you wouldn't class as a gts-t then?

[Birds]

I don't see anything wrong with it as long as the seller states that it's a replica / kitted to be that - but that's their moral prerogative and whilst I don't agree with lying you can't stop people from doing that; it can't really be controlled. If I was spending alot of money on a genuine rare car I'd be checking everything including build plates anyway to ensure this.

As for replicas...most people can't afford the originals. I don't think it detracts at all from the value of the original car as the type of people driving/buying replicas you will find are the type not to have had the money for the original anyway. In the example of the Cobras...not many replica owners have a spare 300-500k to throw at a genuine. There was nothing more awesome than cruising with my father in his.

[mad082]

well considering that immaculate genuine articles of the very sought after models are going for hundreds of thousands of dollars at auction, i don't think that replicas are hurting the price of genuine cars, LOL.

[Birds]

That's my point, the people chasing originals are still going for them...they're not settling for replicas.

[mad082]

yeah i sort of didn't read your post. saw it was by you so didn't bother to read it, LOL.

but i am a bit scared at the amount of things that we are agreeing on lately. not a good sign