2010 F1 Season

[Beer Baron]

gold. both of them.

[ctjet]

quite frankly, if i never see the word 'bullish' again on a F1 website i will be too soon

[sh@un]

wait for the bear market

[Snowman]

So.... apparently in 2013 F1's will be 1.6L Turbo 4cyl cars (with max 10,000rpm).

Guess we'll see a new wave of manufactures like Hyundi and Mitzibishi coming through!

Only cool thing is the return of ground effects as well.

[sh@un]

interesting. esp with no traction control

[ctjet]

it will be horrrible

But anyway, we find out how much the fine will be for team fuzz today. Doubt it will be a points deduction, just a bit of pocket change and we'll all move on

Sets a precedent at least. Hopefully it means we get some consistency in the penalty system

[Marlin]

So.... apparently in 2013 F1's will be 1.6L Turbo 4cyl cars (with max 10,000rpm).

Guess we'll see a new wave of manufactures like Hyundi and Mitzibishi coming through!

Only cool thing is the return of ground effects as well.

Please, please tell me this is a bad joke? You are kidding aren't you?

Edit; Oh no, you aren't kidding

I feel physically ill.... YES, I remember the turbo era, it was wonderful, but those engines (even the four bangers) were 850 to 1200hp, not a piddly 650 that this proposed reg brings

"Apr.26 (GMM) F1 teams are close to agreeing upon a new engine formula for the six-year period beginning in 2013.

Until then, development of the current 2.4 litre V8s will remain ‘frozen’, to be replaced thereafter by similarly powerful engines that use less fuel, emit less pollution and are affordable for the small teams.

Spain’s El Mundo Deportivo newspaper said an in-principle agreement has been reached for a four cylinder, 1.5 litre engine equipped with a twin-turbo and direct injection.

The new formula would reportedly also involve KERS.

“If F1 has to develop something helpful for real (road) driving conditions, then the best solution is for an engine that is turbocharged and GDI (gasoline direct injection,” Ferrari CEO Amedeo Felisa told Autocar magazine at the Beijing Motor Show.

“That is what we would support,” he said.

Mercedes’ Norbert Haug agrees that smaller engines are likely for reasons of consumption and emissions, but warns that high technology needs to remain a crucial focus.

“If you fly from Europe to Japan on a 747, you would use more fuel than an entire F1 season. We need to see the whole picture,” he insisted."

Paddock Talk's thoughts on this; "PaddockTalk Perspective

We continue to shake our heads over this lunacy. If Formula One isn't going to be significantly different as the pinnacle of racing, then they are acting like fools.

In our minds the super-rich billionaire owners are trying to dumb down the sport to save themselves millions and pocket that extra cash rather than put it back into research and development which benefits everyone."

Edited September 8, 2010 by Marlin

[sh@un]

didn't y

[Roy]

Twin turbo to boot? Give them at least 14-16,000rpm for gods sake

[Marco-R34GTT]

Formula Farce???

I swear to God FOTA should have split when they had the chance....

[NISMATT]

I read it will be up to 650 hp when KERS is being used, so if they generate 60 hp with KERS the cars will only have 590.

[Roy]

Look on the bright side. Within 3 years of the turbos return to F1 can you imagine the aerodynamics of the turbos we can buy. Imagine variable geometry, twin scroll titanium wheeled turbos that make my RB20 grunt like a 3L

[TALBO]

If this does happen it'll almost certainly destroy the category.

What's wrong with twin turbo's running 60psi like in the 80's...ffs!

[sh@un]

rubbish

if the racing's good, it won't matter

[scarface_au]

So.... apparently in 2013 F1's will be 1.6L Turbo 4cyl cars (with max 10,000rpm).

Guess we'll see a new wave of manufactures like Hyundi and Mitzibishi coming through!

Only cool thing is the return of ground effects as well.

The engines in the 80s were 1500cc. They weren't exactly washing machine engines ... I know they'll be restricted but they'll get around that. Not saying we'll see 1500 bhp but I think they can get at least the same power they are now. Don't forget, even at 650 bhp that's still 1000 bhp/ton. Not bad in anyone's language ...

[wolverine]

rubbish

if the racing's good, it won't matter

x2

[Roy]

But they dont sound as good as the Ferrari V12s of the early 90s...V10s of recent....inline fours wsith turbos are going to sound angry but lame in comparison

[wolverine]

There is room for KERS and a push to pass button with turbo 4's.

If you have a limited number of push to pass extra boost seconds then perhaps that is the answer to the lack of overtaking.

[Kinks]

rubbish

if the racing's good, it won't matter

the focus needs to be more on engine power and mechanical grip, not aero. aero kills overtaking, engine power and mechanical grip promote it.

[sh@un]

can't do anything more for mechanical grip- they already run slicks and tricky LSD's

going back to ground effects means the grips levels shouldn't change as much when cars are in close proximity