2010 F1 Season

[N1GTR]

Well, I bet Red Bulls drivers will appreciate that

[sh@un]

I bet Vetool will still be a COCKHEAD in 2013, regardless

[scarface_au]

can't do anything more for mechanical grip- they already run slicks and tricky LSD's

going back to ground effects means the grips levels shouldn't change as much when cars are in close proximity

There are plenty of things they can do to reduce tyre grip. Reduced size, harder compounds, etc. Also, reducing aero and adding power (the first might happen, the second won't) will create more sliding and make the cars harder to drive. Think Formula Ford with wings and bigger engines (actually I think the 2013 engines will be smaller than FF engines, but that's what turbos are for). I like the ground effect idea, as has been mentioned this will reduce the penalty of turbulent air.

Back in the 80s the cars had way too much power for the tyre/aero technologies. That's why driver skill was so important - you couldn't just plant the foot and know it would stick. You certainly couldn't take Eau Rouge one-handed.

[scarface_au]

I bet Vetool will still be a COCKHEAD in 2013, regardless

Some things never change - the tides come and go, the seasons change, Vetool crashes into innocent bystanders ... the guy must be a nightmare in a car park given how much trouble he has passing someone who is holding their line. He must crash into stationary objects all the time.

[Boof]

Been saying for a while now for the F1 boys to piss the aero off and go back to underbody downforce! I beleive that the indycars of the late 90's early 2000's had it right with enough aerodynamic downforce and most of the grip generated from underbody...Turbo's sound good though not sure about the 1.5 litre engines and only 650 hp! Dare i say it but the v8's make that sorta power now how can the pinicle of world motorsport make less/same as a bogan racing catagory

[SABBAi]

If they end up anything like what the turbo F1 cars were like in the early 80's, big power and little to no driver aids, it'll be a good thing. Less aero and more underbody craftiness brings it back to it's original roots.

Check these vids of some of the old F1 Turbo goodness.

And if it brings back some of the excitement from the 79 French GP of the battle between Vileneuve and Arnoux, I'll be mighty impressed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl2tIFxSEGA

Edited September 8, 2010 by SABBAi

[warps]

Dare i say it but the v8's make that sorta power now how can the pinicle of world motorsport make less/same as a bogan racing catagory

And the ultimate bogan category, drag racing, has always made far more power than F1 ever will. Get over it people - There's plenty more to racing than hp. Personally I like knocking off the big boys with my 120 flywheel kW.

[sh@un]

WMSC gives Ferrari no further penalty, recommends review of team orders regulations.

Predictable enough.

[ctjet]

sooooo

what was the point of that? surely we could have come to that decision without the song and dance

[wolverine]

Tim Goss from McLaren (on F1.com)

"We’ve had to make some minor modifications just to make sure we’re well inside the deflection limits the FIA are going to set on that."

Yep it is just RBR and Ferrari.....uhuh.

"McLaren lie..........................

......................... second in the constructors’ championship on 329 points, just one behind leaders Red Bull."

(I am just practising my journalistic skills by editing things to suit the angle)

[ctjet]

lol

[Nee-san]

Been saying for a while now for the F1 boys to piss the aero off and go back to underbody downforce! I beleive that the indycars of the late 90's early 2000's had it right with enough aerodynamic downforce and most of the grip generated from underbody...Turbo's sound good though not sure about the 1.5 litre engines and only 650 hp! Dare i say it but the v8's make that sorta power now how can the pinicle of world motorsport make less/same as a bogan racing catagory

The V8's make over 100hp more then that...

I seriously do not see the point in cobbling the engines so much in this way, from an engineering standpoint it makes the development process iterative and evolutionary as opposed to revolutionary which massively increases cost and totally torpedoes your performance/dollar ratio.

They can dress it up all they want but F1 will never be a green sport, all they can do is plant some trees, offset their carbon footprint (what a joke) and get on with racing.

If formula 1 is really to be a hotbed of automotive development, they are actually going to need the engineers to do some real development, this aside the actual amount of technology that has reached road cars from F1 since it's inception is minimal at best, so why bother ?

[TALBO]

rubbish

if the racing's good, it won't matter

No doubt, but from a 'pinnacle of motorsport' point of view I wonder how many drivers will still aspire to get to this formula.

[Marlin]

They could just save a bunch of money and have a control engine. I'm thinkin SR20.

For 20k each they'll have 650HP, and no need for a five engine per season limit, they'll only need one if they give it a few oil changes through the season.

What a farce.

[Marlin]

We need to remember that F1 is meant to be a spectacle...... the sound of an F1 car is supposed to make the hair on your arms stand up. You won't get that with a turbo four with a 10k rev ceiling. You just won't.

[warps]

the sound of an F1 car is supposed to make the hair on your arms stand up. You won't get that with a turbo four with a 10k rev ceiling. You just won't.

True, but personally the current crop of F1 don't do it for me either.

Remember, one of the best sounding engines ever was a supercharged 1.5. (I'm sure you've all heard it, but here it is anyway, coz I love listening to it)

I think it was redlined at about 13000 RPM, though I'm not certain about that.

I know that turbos tend to kill the sound a bit but if they can give the engines some balls, rather than 18,000 RPM mozzies flying around the cicuit then they might just pull it off.

[Marlin]

Nahhh. You can pull me off champ.

[Nee-san]

They could just save a bunch of money and have a control engine. I'm thinkin SR20.

For 20k each they'll have 650HP, and no need for a five engine per season limit, they'll only need one if they give it a few oil changes through the season.

What a farce.

+1

[warps]

Nahhh. You can pull me off champ.

I don't know you that well

Don't get me wrong - noise is a very important part of the whole spectacle. I think that's one of the major things killing motorsport these days. The noise restrictions at Lakeside are a joke. Frikking morons buying a house next to a race track (which has been there for decades) have the gall to complain about the noise and lobby to shut it down.

[scarface_au]

The V8's make over 100hp more then that...

I'm pretty sure they're no more than 650, unless there's been a big power jump that everyone's keeping secret