Yellow Sticker Within 10 Minutes Of Double Demerits Starting

[Tony de Wonderful]

at the end of the day a lot of us mod cars knowing that they dont comply with the law.

We then drive around in an illegally modified car.

So why do a lot of the guys on here take it out on the cops doing their job?

We run the risk of having the mods installed and driving round with them, then bitch at the cops for pulling you up on it?

You played the game and on that occassion you lost.

If they are just pulling you over because you drive a Skyline that is like racial profilling.

[Nic_A31]

If you've got nothing to worry about, why do you give a shit if they have a look around your car ?

[DanR33GTST]

If they are just pulling you over because you drive a Skyline that is like racial profilling.

But im sure they heard him going past them on this occassion due to his exhaust ??

[Tony de Wonderful]

If you've got nothing to worry about, why do you give a shit if they have a look around your car ?

It's a question of freedom from arbitary state action.

When the state has arbitary powers they tend to get abused.

[DanR33GTST]

Cops put the sticker on straight if you have been cooperative and increase the angle according to how much you pissed them off.

I heard.

Not true. They sometimes are put on horizontally which tells other officers that the vehicle was given a very short period of time to correct problems and if seen on the road it has probably expired

[Nic_A31]

LOL then I restate:

You sheep should have done something about abuse of power when you had the chance. But you didn't.

You sacrificed your right to complain about the matter.

Again, do all your modifications properly and legally, and don't be a drug dealer / mule, and none of it should matter to you anyway.

[Talon88]

+1 above

[Tony de Wonderful]

Again, do all your modifications properly and legally, and don't be a drug dealer / mule, and none of it should matter to you anyway.

Except when there is a Cop who wants to fcuk w/ you everyday 'cos he can...maybe it's an old school mate who you stole a g/f off? Now he can stop you everyday and strip your car to a shell all 'cos you love those arbitary stop and search laws so much.

[Nic_A31]

You're confusing abuse of power with immaturity.

[Tony de Wonderful]

You're confusing abuse of power with immaturity.

Sure that is why arbitray police powers are bad 'cos they can be abused.

Those in power are not always good people.

[Dorigecko]

Without just cause, powers won't be abused. If you f**ked with a copper, bad luck. drive a POS corolla as a daily and deal with it. (i didn't f**k with a cop but i still drive a pos corolla as a daily... haha. good fun in the gravel)

Me, I tend to make peace with all the police in my town.

Respect the cops, because c*nts or not, they're doing their job. and there is nothing you can do but sit back, smile, take the shit and fix your car problems before you get pulled up again. if you've got illegal mods, you're a) an R33 driver, b) trying to get them legal or c) a lazy shit.

if you did something about it on a bigger scale like, ohhh... i don't know, maybe take it to a VERY BIG higher-up, maybe you wouldn't be bitching like a little girl about it now.

Honestly - moral of the story. had your f**king chance, blew it, so deal with the consequences accordingly.

Remember D1 Street Legal series. USE THAT MENTALITY. Go forth and get legal. THAT IS THE MESSAGE that should be sent by all these yellow stickers. And if they sticker your car for something that isn't illegal - take their badge number, go to a qualified inspector and say 'hey man, wtf. this shit isn't illegal'. if it's true, take it higher.

i got done for 'insufficient tread' on my tyres. i'll admit, i have a bit of camber on the back. but even on the inside, my tyres had about 4mm until it hit the tread depth indicator. no sticker, no points, but a fine. THIS pissed me off, because I took it to my tyre shop, and they said 'f**k em, it's legal'. I haven't done anything yet, and am waiting to be pulled up again by the same copper so I can tell them that I showed them to my fitter only just 'the other day' and they said they're 100% legal.

If you don't have illegal shit and you get done for your legal shit, then start complaining. but remember - nothing is legal until it's in writing, in front of the officers face. it's why i love showing modification permits around in police faces.

also - too loud? put your cat and your muffler baffle back in. too low? measure it, then lift it. might look cool on the ground, but better weight transfer if she's up a little higher

Edited December 24, 2009 by Dorigecko

[rev210]

I believe they need 'reasonable suspicion' to search vehicles, except for those new stop and search laws (passed as legislature yet??!!) which give the Police arbitary powers to stop and search in certain areas.

So why not ask on what grounds they intend to search? I would ask. Why not? You can ask and still be polite w/out attitude. If they are difficult or whatever and refuse to tell you on what grounds they are 'reasonably suspicious' they I would let them know they don't have my consent and I 'd ask for badge numbers etc.

No. what you beleive is obviously not the same as the facts. There isn't an on the spot court hearing to listen to arguements from you and the police over what constitutes 'reasonable'. They are police. They are given powers to carry out investigation. You get your chance to defend yourself if you get charged with a crime.

Asking or not they are not going to have to tell you why until they decide to charge you with something. They are the ones asking you for compliance.

Asking for badge numbers will mean they are going to assume you are going to try and make thier life more difficult and waste thier time answering your complaint. I can tell you who is going to have the worse time of that confrontation.

Taking an antagonising approach like this will see you get burnt. You are wasting time, yours, thiers and as a result tax payers money.

[That_timothy]

You weren't co-operative. In fact from your own description you acted suspiciously, like someone who is trying to hide something. Even though it was caused by assuming police can't search a car without owner permission.

They didn't do anything wrong. Next time don't tell police what they can and can't do without knowing you are absolutely right. You weren't right this time so just take the lesson and move on.

Yeah I'll be the first to admit that I wasn't entirely pleased/pleasant - large mistake although I would've had a sticker either way I'm sure. I'd driven past a drug store in High Wycombe, and apparently police sit outside that and pull over every single person who comes near it on a Saturday night - so I was already on shaky ground.

Started out quite nice, because I have a large amount of good police encounters nowadays, but they were pushing a bit of an agenda and I reacted badly to that I guess. Up until then I completely thought that only look under the bonnet was legal. So really the moral for anybody reading this thread is that you just let police look anywhere they so desire.

+1 on the not being a drug son of rajab/mule.

[That_timothy]

Oh, and merry Christmas anyway =D

[badkarma85]

Seems there is a lot of misinformation in this thread.

Referring to the WA legislation of the Road Traffic Act 1972:

<h2 class="title">Road Traffic (Vehicle Standards) Regulations 2002</h2>

62. Police inspection powers

(1) For the purpose of deciding whether to issue a compliance notice for a vehicle, a police officer may do any or all of the following —

(a) direct the driver to stop the vehicle;

(b) direct the driver to move the vehicle to the nearest convenient place to permit the police officer to examine the vehicle;

© direct that the vehicle is not to be driven, for a reasonable time, until the police officer makes a decision;

(d) examine the vehicle and any equipment or load carried on it;

(e) give reasonable directions to the driver about rearranging or removing, under the supervision of the police officer, all or part of the load (if any) carried on the vehicle so that the vehicle complies with these regulations and the Vehicle Standards;

(f) give any other reasonable directions to the driver about making minor alterations to the vehicle, its equipment or load under the supervision of the police officer so that the vehicle complies with these regulations and the Vehicle Standards;

(g) give reasonable directions about detaching a vehicle from a combination to permit the remainder of the combination to be driven.

(2) For the purpose of examining the vehicle or its equipment or load, a police officer may do any or all of the following —

(a) inspect and handle the vehicle, equipment or load;

(b) test, or require the driver to test, any equipment on the vehicle that is required to comply with these regulations or the Vehicle Standards;

© test drive the vehicle, or accompany the driver while it is being test driven;

(d) weigh the vehicle and any equipment and load carried by it;

(e) direct the driver to take the vehicle to the nearest place where it can be weighed;

(f) measure the vehicle and any equipment and load carried by the vehicle.

There is NO mention in the legislation where the police officer requires "reasonable suspicion".

It appears that the Police have broad powers to inspect your car; in your case, the Police seems to have followed procedure.

Also, the police may not enter your property without your consent. If they do so in order to sticker your car, it is trespass and you can lodge a civil claim in court.

Hope this helps.

[dan_the_man]

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This is true, my mates mum works as admin at the pits (forgot where) and a mechanic i use to deliver to just got a job at the pits, he said in osbourne park. They both confirmed that they have been told to comply with the cops wishes of the bigger the angle the less of a chance to get it off first time. Of course its not a written rule but it seems to happen alot.

If its on a 90degree angle, good luck on getting it off first time around.

Cops can also, if you already have a sticker, give you another one but with less time.

erm. peel it off and put it on straight? I dont think they tattoo it to your skin.

[MLCrisis]

LOL then I restate:

You sheep should have done something about abuse of power when you had the chance. But you didn't.

You sacrificed your right to complain about the matter.

Again, do all your modifications properly and legally, and don't be a drug dealer / mule, and none of it should matter to you anyway.

Hi, Nic and all. A bit off topic, but as far as I am concerned, the push against the Hoon Laws is still going. We are still collecting info and I, for one, will be pursuing it in the New Year with my MP. I have been quiet on the topic for a while, due to work commitments and other stuff. But I will be picking up the baton again soon.

Don't expect much to happen while Barney Rubble is in power - the man with no vision! As they have just implemented the most draconian stop and search laws in the Western World, our civil liberties arguments about police powers and hoon laws are rather put in the shade.

Back on topic: Always be polite to Police Officers (although I am tempted to only give what I receive myself). You don't know what sh#t they have had to deal with before they bumped into you. If things are not looking healthy, record the conversation and politely inform them that you are going to do so, "so you don't forget anything, if you need to see a lawyer". Cops have bad days, so record them if you are suffering because of it.

Unfortunately, lots of young people drive badly, drive cars with illegal mods or that are unroadworthy and have accidents. If you look like you might fit this profile, it is not "racial stereotyping", it's just statistics. If you have no tread on your tyres and a bunch of dodgy mods, you deserve it. If your car is fine, then be polite and helpful, even if you have to smile through gritted teeth, and you might get a better outcome. If it doesn't go well, you have a nice recording of you being polite and helpful and the Cop being unreasonable.

Cheers.

[Tony de Wonderful]

erm. peel it off and put it on straight? I dont think they tattoo it to your skin.

They can tell apparently if it has been tampered with.

[dan_the_man]

They can tell apparently if it has been tampered with.

No they can't.

[Tony de Wonderful]

No they can't.

You sure?