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alr33x he was going to dob the guy because before the challenge to a race incident at he traffic lights the guy was drivin like a moron in the traffic.

Look if I saw a piece of shit car blowing smoke I wouldn't go out of my way to report them cause I just plain couldn't be bothered...but if you got something dangerous about your car like no brakelights cause you can't afford to fix them...f*** em. And hey, we got an endless supply of human beings...only 1 ozone layer though.

As for the sympathy stories...well fark...lifes unfair. We all got problems and money isn't always the worst problem.

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wow - I go to sleep for 6hrs, go to work, and miss all the action! Sheesh!

haha ash you got served buddy!

Oh you think do you? - Read on my friend... this time I've been pushed over the edge ;)

ok u seem to have a hard head

let me break it down to u, u dick knob

1 family: $400/week to live on with 3 kids: cant efford a new car hence get a cheapo

it f**ks up, they dont have money to fix it and its their only form of transport so if u dob them in then they dont have money to fix it and dont have a car to go work with/take kids to school/ go shopping in

Oh that’s simple thing to cover. Keep your cock in your pants. Don’t have 3 children if you cannot support them perhaps? That thought EVER occured to you?

These people, clearly, are doing that. Nobody forces someone to have 3 children and then try and survive on $400/week.

It was their choice to do so.

I live within my means, I do not live outside of them. These people do, it is their problem.

I’m sorry but I draw the line @ retards in the world, who knowingly bring children into the world that they simply cannot afford to provide a sufficiently decent life for.

Then the people that are even worse - the moral do-good’ers - who come along and talking dribble and bullshit about how I should give a crap about such people – honestly, FK EM.

It shits me beyond belief that my tax dollars going to fking bum’s just because they pump out children without any recourse for their actions and then live off the state and its handouts.

on the otherhand f*kheads like u who have millionair parents dont give a rats ass about having an EPA as u can just give it to a mechanic with a lump sump of money and BINGO they do it all for u

You'd be surprised to know that i don't have million dollar parents. Nor did/do I come from a wealthy background.

I was kicked out @ 18 and told to basically fend for myself - so I did.

Where I've got today, I've done it pretty much all on my own. Anyone that knows me well, knows this is true.

Furthermore I actually pull my car back to factory myself. Injectors and exhaust swaps as basic things considering I've done my own motor conversions...

Again, something I learnt to do on my own because i applied myself to do so.

I worked 16 months (based on a 5 day week, 8hrs day), in a 12 month time period. So what i earn each year is done so without some serious committed hours on my behalf.

AND IN RETURN WHAT HAPPENS TO MY EFFORT?

My tax bill dollars go to people like the f**king bums in Collingwood, who piss it up the wall all day, take drugs all day, and clean car windows on Victoria PDE TAX FREE.

I’ve worked out they would make at least $40/hr - CASH… Possibly more if you have a good day. They are there for 6hrs a day at least.

Not bad for someone on “$400” a week according to the Gov’t and can't "afford" to house/school their 2/3 children now is it?

THATS my point

i said before that i wont reply but u seem to be getting more and more stupid by each reply

you dont phase me with your shitty "need a tissue" reply

just coz u are a moderator doesnt make u any better then any one of us it just means ur good at sucking dick

Well sadly once again, your point looks rather stupid. No surprise though. I think you need another tissue, seriously.

At least I don’t resort to childish name calling and swearing abuse, which usually would see you either warned/suspended or even banned.

But hey, I'm a good sport at times.

Oh - and just so you know, i am good @ sucking dick - just ask Matt & Aaron, they are my Gym buddies. :D

Do unto others

Agree 100%.

Do-gooders can report me for "hooning" when im not, same for a ciggie out the window and similar

Police can report me to the EPA when im not even breaking the law.

So if they can do it to me - then im sure as hell going not going to just sit back and take my yearly visits to the EPA lying down

wow - I go to sleep for 6hrs, go to work, and miss all the action! Sheesh!

Oh you think do you? - Read on my friend... this time I've been pushed over the edge :laugh:

Oh that's simple thing to cover. Keep your cock in your pants. Don't have 3 children if you cannot support them perhaps? That thought EVER occured to you?

These people, clearly, are doing that. Nobody forces someone to have 3 children and then try and survive on $400/week.

It was their choice to do so.

I live within my means, I do not live outside of them. These people do, it is their problem.

I'm sorry but I draw the line @ retards in the world, who knowingly bring children into the world that they simply cannot afford to provide a sufficiently decent life for.

Then the people that are even worse - the moral do-good'ers - who come along and talking dribble and bullshit about how I should give a crap about such people – honestly, FK EM.

It shits me beyond belief that my tax dollars going to fking bum's just because they pump out children without any recourse for their actions and then live off the state and its handouts.

You'd be surprised to know that i don't have million dollar parents. Nor did/do I come from a wealthy background.

I was kicked out @ 18 and told to basically fend for myself - so I did.

Where I've got today, I've done it pretty much all on my own. Anyone that knows me well, knows this is true.

Furthermore I actually pull my car back to factory myself. Injectors and exhaust swaps as basic things considering I've done my own motor conversions...

Again, something I learnt to do on my own because i applied myself to do so.

I worked 16 months (based on a 5 day week, 8hrs day), in a 12 month time period. So what i earn each year is done so without some serious committed hours on my behalf.

AND IN RETURN WHAT HAPPENS TO MY EFFORT?

My tax bill dollars go to people like the f**king bums in Collingwood, who piss it up the wall all day, take drugs all day, and clean car windows on Victoria PDE TAX FREE.

I've worked out they would make at least $40/hr - CASH… Possibly more if you have a good day. They are there for 6hrs a day at least.

Not bad for someone on "$400" a week according to the Gov't and can't "afford" to house/school their 2/3 children now is it?

Well sadly once again, your point looks rather stupid. No surprise though. I think you need another tissue, seriously.

At least I don't resort to childish name calling and swearing abuse, which usually would see you either warned/suspended or even banned.

But hey, I'm a good sport at times.

Oh - and just so you know, i am good @ sucking dick - just ask Matt & Aaron, they are my Gym buddies. ;)

wtf... sigged! :D

Sami,

You are a flatstick dickhead.

If your dumb enough to buy a shitty clapped out smoke chugging car then its your own fault if you get done.

Even if your bludging off the doll, if you know about cars and know what your doing, owning and maintaining a car that runs well is neither hard or expensive.

Its more a question of intelligence not money. Sami, sorry to tell you, youre standing up for idiots because you are idiot yourself.

People should learn from necessity or pay the price. Shut up, learn to spell and learn how to maintain cars.

f*k me dead there are retards in this forum who dont read

i dont want to repeat myself so u sir are the flatstick dickhead GOOSE

are you an arab?

its typically the arabs that sit around on the dole, driving a piece of f**king shit with too many kids to count. then complaining about australia being a shit country etc etc

if they stop being eyres and get off their hairy asses and get a job. they wouldnt have that problem

ps: not racism coz im arab myself

NO i am NOT arab in any way and i dont care what they do. there are poor people from all backgrounds and dodgy ones from all backgrounds too. Nothing to do with race

although i know arabs have alot of kids, there are many other countries where they forget their kids names

and finally r31nismoid... u talk too much and yet another essay full of shit which i dont have time for quoting as i have a life which does not include sucking dick in the gym and having >24,000 posts on a forum such as this

and RB ryan ur the smarter of the bunch of gooses

NO i am NOT arab in any way and i dont care what they do.

Hmm... With such emphasis on that my bet is your @ war/odds as a race. So you're from the general area at least.

and finally r31nismoid... u talk too much and yet another essay full of shit which i dont have time for quoting as i have a life which does not include sucking dick in the gym and having >24,000 posts on a forum such as this

You once again have resorted to feeble insults rather a decent dicsussion.

But then, that is what someone does when "your point" have been found to be... well... rather stupid. Kinda like a cat in a corner with nowhere to go.

You know as well as i do, it was their own choice to have 11ty kids... then suddenly, you got nothin' to argue over anymore with that silly scenario you attempted to paint. :D

such empahasis as i took offence u goose

and what "nothing else to say" my point was sent across and there are only so many ways something can be said

not my fault u stupid and just think "oh they dont work and are on the doll" or think "well they should have thught of that before having "11ty" kids" life is not always smooth. incase u dont know some people have a very smooth life so they decide to have kids and shit happens at times down the track

i was basically talking about a working family who COULD efford to have kids and all that

but hey i guess u dont know about people losing jobs and their houses, my dads house got burnt down 5 times in war times, but hey.... he should have known not to have kids coz he knew his house would be burn down by soldiers true?

life might be a cruise for most of us on here but believe it or not there are MANY families who are doing it hard, not on the doll and were not always in that situation.

if u still think my point is "stupid" then u need to get your head checked coz i cant make myself anymore clear

I see what you are saying. However i believe you do not understand the greater picture as to WHY they are there in the first place. The vast majority will be due to their own fault...

If a working family could afford 3 children, and was then suddenly on $400/week and struggling because the main income earner got the ass from a job - then guess what - they could not afford to have 3 kids now could they?

Should have stuck to 1 or 2 and put money away in the event disaster strikes so that you can live without having to dig through the gutters week to week.

THAT is smart thinking, THAT is what the majority of people in todays world simply don't think about. So i have no sympathy for them.

Its the mentality you have, and others in this world, that made the financial crisis hurt badly all over the world.

People were "affording to live" - which translates to - "living beyond their means". Then down come the markets... Firesale on their houses, cares, blongings to try and scrape back in.

Sorry I ain't going to feel back for those people either.

Ye people lost money on shares etc etc, but that is the risk you take investing in that market as much as the new portrayed it as the end of the world. You risk it, don't complain about it.

Handouts should be for those that actually/genuinely need it. Not the sponges of society that are under the illusion thier actions have no repercussions, or don't plan past 6-12 months time.

People that get diagnosed with natural cancers, injuries, disease, war, elderly... People that have family die in combat defending out nation and it's allies etc etc.

Thoese types of people that should be getting help, and i'm all for that. But sadly a lot of those area's are suffering because of these people who have the inability to think past their noses.

If the dollars were being put where they should be, this country would be a lot safer and more affordable to live in. Not that it isn't now - but it's getting WORSE, not better.

And no - 2 pack a day smokers who get cancer as exclued. That was their choice to do it, no love from me for their ailments.

I could lose my job today, and not even be the slightest bit worried. I could keep living as i am for easily 6 months, probably closer to 12-18 without even curbing my lifestyle one iota.

I think most people would not be able to say the same unfortunately. 2-3 months without work and they would be in the shitter because they are upto their eyeballs in debt.

im not here to argue and wont reply anymore

So much for that statement.

i think sami has a valid point but it hasnt been atriculated very well, ash you also have a strong argument but you are promoting a fairly ideal world.

I agree 100% i hate dole bludgers living off my ridiculous tax payments every time i see a hobo bludger i feel like asking them to wash my car since i pay for their existence, on the flip side a heap of people find themselves in tough situations not through there own fault.

My uncle lost his job in his late 50's having been their forever he lived off his savings etc for a while his mid 60's and has not been able to get a job since as nobody hires people that mature.

this is pretty funny thread :)

i agree with Ash,

the Tax is out of control and not used right.

i could use the money i get taxed weekly to put away in a savings account for the future, but yet it gets taking from me to support some failers drug habbit! so im down few hundred a week, just so they can get their hit of crack for the weekend.

condoms cost $8 or so for a box, cheaper alternative if you like how things are, or get drunk, sleep with some moron, have a kid and kiss your relaxed living world good bye. and abbortion is not ileagal, maybe imoral to some.

the way i see it, im living my life for me. its my life, why should i support failers who dont give a shit, and drink, smoke and put our tax dollers through the pokie machines insted of trying to rebuild their life, because they dont do shit and know in 2weeks they have another $440 to play with again. maybe should cut down the payouts for those moron's who dont give a shit.

people make bad choices in life, but its their choice, live with it. life is about choices, live by the good ones you make or the bad ones.

As for the sympathy stories...well fark...lifes unfair. We all got problems and money isn't always the worst problem.

+1 & after being in China for years & see the amount of unfair shit the average & poor flamin mongrels there have to go through in comparison everyone here have it MUCH easier here.

At least here everyone can always resort to leeching off center link (which I absolutely hate), in China the government Will just give u a big "well sucks to be you...".

Oh that’s simple thing to cover. Keep your cock in your pants. Don’t have 3 children if you cannot support them perhaps? That thought EVER occurred to you?

+1, don't have kids if you can't afford to keep them. OR use protection.

We all say don't get a skyline if you can't afford to keep it, I believe that logic should apply here as well.

I’m sorry but I draw the line @ retards in the world, who knowingly bring children into the world that they simply cannot afford to provide a sufficiently decent life for.

Then the people that are even worse - the moral do-good’ers - who come along and talking dribble and bullshit about how I should give a crap about such people – honestly, FK EM.

It shits me beyond belief that my tax dollars going to fking bum’s just because they pump out children without any recourse for their actions and then live off the state and its handouts.

What I was going to say, if you are want to feel bad for the center link leeches then good for you. I don't care what you feel. But don't try & go all moral on me & try to tell me how I should feel about them.

Because I don't have any sympathy for center link leeches & I NEVER will.

Its the same as those Christians that comes around & tries to convert you into believing their faith, & when you tell them you don't care, they start their moral lesson 123 on you & how you are going to hell...

On a side topic: My grandmother has found a easy way to get rid of the Christians that comes around trying to convert you, when they appeared at her house on several occasions, she just tell them that she is a member of the Chinese Communist party & in the party there is no religion, or Saviour or hell or all that crap there is only the people & the leader Mao!

Makes the Christians leave real quick... think I got to try it next time LOL

so is this thread still about dobbing people in? or an e-vagina war?

OT i dont believe in dobbing in a car with low smoke emissiions as ... well thats most skylines i see. but on the other hand those cars whos fumes would choke you half to death? Fkem them i would dob in no worries and have done a few times. i dont see why i should have the right to breathing (relatively) fresh air taken away coz people are lazy douche bags. nothing worse than being stuck in a smoke cloud and its all you can smell for at least 10kms after you pass them.

or an e-vagina war?

I do believe its e-penis waring here....dont be blaming the vagina.....

OT I dont dob ppl in, cbfed.

As for the system well, friends not working with 4 kids earn more than I do and they still get cheaper rego, bills and bulk billing automatically...so how "families" cant survive on govt handouts....makes me wonder how the hell I do. :(

As for cars blowing smoke, At 19 I had a 300000k old hyundai that was serviced reg...however it blew alot of smoke, I was in no financial position to re build an aged engine, nor upgrade the vehicle. PT was not an option as I worked in the city and commuted from Noble park for shift working hours.

There is a massive difference between a car thats unsafe and perhaps what you guys view as "living above means"

After working in the industry the amount of cars I have seen with zero tread, and f all brakes is massive.

But I bet you guys would drive past it thinking its a mint car, based on paintjob, kit and wheel selection, oh and lets not forget their cars dont blow smoke...

Yeah i dobbed in the drug dealers across the road from me when they started handing over sattys of white powder whilemy grand sons where playing in my front yard,guess what happend,sfa. :D

Similar...

I was doing a locum chemist job at Lethbridge Pk pharmacy and there was a drug deal going over the gold phone at the front of the shop.

I wanted to call the cops. But the girls told me to hang off for half an hour, otherwise it would be reprisal-time!!!

If a working family could afford 3 children, and was then suddenly on $400/week and struggling because the main income earner got the ass from a job - then guess what - they could not afford to have 3 kids now could they?

Should have stuck to 1 or 2 and put money away in the event disaster strikes so that you can live without having to dig through the gutters week to week.

THAT is smart thinking, THAT is what the majority of people in todays world simply don't think about. So i have no sympathy for them.

lol sometimes life isnt that easy.

How could you plan for a divorce from an abusive/cheating husband? As RB_Ryan mentioned, a family may have been living within their means, but if the family breaks up due to death/illness/divorce the single mother/father will be struggling with mortgages, divorce settlements and lawyer fees. If the mother walked off with young kids, running to/from work, school and dealing with a loss of secured income, sometimes they have to live with what they have. This most likely being a cheap 2nd hand car until everything settles. Pulling them off the road for an EPA would only make problems worse for them.

The other side to the story is the husband who been shafted by lawyers through divorce and has had to spend every saved up dollar to keep the house the missus wants half of. In this case, his mortgage has increased by 50% and still the same wages. Top it off, what if they are self employed as plumber, sparkie and you EPA their van?

What im trying to get at is that they just trying to keep afloat through a tough time which couldn't been foreseen. I believe it all needs to be addressed before applying a blanket EPA dob-in for all cars you see. If you see people abusing the law then I have no sympathy for them but then again how is that different to a well off skyline driver abusing the laws with no cat? No need to bring yourself down to the same level as the people who dob-in skylines. In our case we are lucky enough to have a bit of coin lying around (we spend a lot of money on our cars afterall) to afford the epa but doing it to someone struggling will be a much bigger impact.

+1, don't have kids if you can't afford to keep them. OR use protection.

We all say don't get a skyline if you can't afford to keep it, I believe that logic should apply here as well.

lol well if life gets tough for the skyline owner, one can sell off the car and recoup the majority of the costs.

I wasnt aware you could sell off kids if you cant afford them.

The only people I would report would be the people littering from their car. There is no excuse to be throwing out rubbish from their car and it is soley based on their personality. So i guess if their car is also spitting out smoke then it paints a better picture of the driver who just seems not to care at all.

- Patrick

Divorce and so on has a system in place for welfare and so on - no issues with those Gov't supporting handouts etc either.

I have issues with the bludgers and so on.

Although divorce is another issue, don't get me started on that - seems "marriage" is a rather thin term in these times. :)

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