How Do You Tell If The Car Has Done Big Kms?

[mad082]

somehow i doubt there is much you can do. there is a good chance that they bought it the way it is. unless you can prove that they were the ones who changed the cluster then i think you just have to live with it. but that is just the way it is with imports. you pretty much can't trust the odometer reading. however if the kms are really low and the car has been in the country for a few years then, depending on what state you are in, you can get a vehicle history check done and they will show you how many kms it had done the last time the rego was transfered. it's good if the vehicle has been owned by a few people (as each time the rego is transfered the kms are put into the system), but if someone has owned it since new, or since it had low kms on it then there isn't much you can do to tell if the kms are legit or not.

[bluejeans]

my 92,000km r33 had the 100K service sticker on the timing belt cover when i bought it

knew it had been wound back but hell 99% of imports are going to be wound back

[scarface_au]

somehow i doubt there is much you can do. there is a good chance that they bought it the way it is. unless you can prove that they were the ones who changed the cluster then i think you just have to live with it. but that is just the way it is with imports. you pretty much can't trust the odometer reading. however if the kms are really low and the car has been in the country for a few years then, depending on what state you are in, you can get a vehicle history check done and they will show you how many kms it had done the last time the rego was transfered. it's good if the vehicle has been owned by a few people (as each time the rego is transfered the kms are put into the system), but if someone has owned it since new, or since it had low kms on it then there isn't much you can do to tell if the kms are legit or not.

As far as I know the car is a new import. I don't think it's been driven in Australia before. I bought it from a dealer in Melbourne

[scarface_au]

my 92,000km r33 had the 100K service sticker on the timing belt cover when i bought it

knew it had been wound back but hell 99% of imports are going to be wound back

By 60,000 kms? Is that normal?

[NISSAN GTR]

simple , you can pretty much tell by the interior, underbody , plenum , timing belt cover , service stickers ,big one ****** brake disc groove , if the kms are correct - its pretty obvious if your not sure dont buy it . Most people buy and then realise what they should have been looking for afterwards

Edited April 28, 2010 by NISSAN GTR

[mad082]

it doesn't suprise me in the slightest. there is a real stigma about buy imports with over 100,000kms on them and everyone always tries to buy them with as low kms as possible, so there is probably a price difference in what the car could sell for of up to a few thousand dollars. it could've been changed for this reason, or it could've been changed simply because the old odometer broke. but the clock hasn't been wound back in the way that people used to do it. they simply would've bought another dash and stuck that in. take maybe 5 mins to do. i'd say it is more common with imports than any other cars.

[mad082]

simple , you can pretty much tell by the interior, underbody , plenum , timing belt cover , service stickers ,big one ****** brake disc groove , if the kms are correct - its pretty obvious if your not sure dont buy it . Most people buy and then realise what they should have been looking for afterwards

that isn't that correct. if the car did a lot of driving in hilly areas or even just in traffic then the brakes will be much more worn than someone mostly doing highway/freeway driving. or if they recently had new bads installed and had the discs machined then there will be no lip on the rotor either. or the car may not have done many kms and the driver gave it a hard time or was simply someone who left slowing down until the last minute or rode the brakes a lot yet babied the engine then the brakes will be a false indicator.

[NISSAN GTR]

that isn't that correct. if the car did a lot of driving in hilly areas or even just in traffic then the brakes will be much more worn than someone mostly doing highway/freeway driving. or if they recently had new bads installed and had the discs machined then there will be no lip on the rotor either. or the car may not have done many kms and the driver gave it a hard time or was simply someone who left slowing down until the last minute or rode the brakes a lot yet babied the engine then the brakes will be a false indicator.

it is correct read it fully , its not all about brakes

Edited April 28, 2010 by NISSAN GTR

[Kujotk]

simple , you can pretty much tell by the interior, underbody , plenum , timing belt cover , service stickers ,big one ****** brake disc groove , if the kms are correct - its pretty obvious if your not sure dont buy it . Most people buy and then realise what they should have been looking for afterwards

nah everything can be changed or cleaned. seats, service sticker, brake discs can all be changed, brake discs are machined anyway so you can't tell just by that.

Timing belt cover????? Steering wheel gear knob, they cost about $20 2nd hand over there at the wreckers.

Underbody can't tell you anything and plenum can't either. especially if the car was once modded and is now back to standard to pass sevs or whatever the import rule is called now.

Most important is how the car feels and drives, numbers on the cluster don't mean anything, a 30 000km genuwine milaage engine can fail, and 200 000km engines could go the whole time wihout probs. Check the colour of the oil if you can, if its black then it hasn't been looked after at all, turbo cars shouldn't let the oil turn brown let alone black. At the end of the day if you don't want to buy a car with wound back km's, stop being a tight ass and buy new, other than that buyer beware

[GTR-N1]

simple , you can pretty much tell by the interior, underbody , plenum , timing belt cover , service stickers ,big one ****** brake disc groove , if the kms are correct - its pretty obvious if your not sure dont buy it . Most people buy and then realise what they should have been looking for afterwards

I think I can see what you're saying!

Your answer seems to answer the following Q which is...

On looking over a car with supposedly low Kms, what is it that's telling you this car has done more than that???

[bozodos]

what is this utter BULLSHIT about the oil not meant to turn black?

if it's doing it's f**king job and cleaning as well as lubricating the engine of course it's going to turn black you daft c unt, easy to see that you've never serviced any of your own cars.

generally interior is a giveaway cause most people are lazy flamin mongrels.

Don't go by the amount of dirt and shit on the engine, a mate bought a HR31 Passage that had the filthiest engine bay I'd ever seen, yet everything else about the car pointed to it having genuine kays.

[SL33K]

what bout if the speakers are all torn and shit? can it be a sign? lol

[Kujotk]

what is this utter BULLSHIT about the oil not meant to turn black?

if it's doing it's f**king job and cleaning as well as lubricating the engine of course it's going to turn black you daft c unt, easy to see that you've never serviced any of your own cars.

generally interior is a giveaway cause most people are lazy flamin mongrels.

Don't go by the amount of dirt and shit on the engine, a mate bought a HR31 Passage that had the filthiest engine bay I'd ever seen, yet everything else about the car pointed to it having genuine kays.

r33 gtst oil is meant to be dropped every before 5000km mate, i dont know what condition your engines in, but a fresh one like mine will not turn black in 5000km of road driving. and whats with the swareing? grow up mate, I see you don't change your oil as often as it should, (note to self, not to buy your engine if you have to sell it for some reason).

Ignore what bozo said, if the oil is black as midnight its a great indication the previous owner didn't bother maintaining the car. Also check for oil under the radiator cap, if you see that steer away from that buy. Remeber a carolla can run on the same oil for 15000km with no probs, do that on an RB turbo and kiss your cars reliability goodbye, its simple but whats more important than milage is maintenance.

Theres a reason why exotic cars with high milage but have perfect service history fetch a higher price than the same car with lower milage and no history, high performance engines do not last long if they are not maintained properly, an RB stands for Race Bred, they rev fairly high, they burn the oil quite easily. Fresh looking yellow oil can still be burnt after a hard day at the track, the oil doesn't even have to change colour for it to need a change, so forget it when its black...

[NISSAN GTR]

"if its black it hasnt been looked after at all" - thats a ripper comment !! thats the oils job

Edited April 28, 2010 by NISSAN GTR

[mad082]

r33 gtst oil is meant to be dropped every before 5000km mate, i dont know what condition your engines in, but a fresh one like mine will not turn black in 5000km of road driving. and whats with the swareing? grow up mate, I see you don't change your oil as often as it should, (note to self, not to buy your engine if you have to sell it for some reason).

Ignore what bozo said, if the oil is black as midnight its a great indication the previous owner didn't bother maintaining the car. Also check for oil under the radiator cap, if you see that steer away from that buy. Remeber a carolla can run on the same oil for 15000km with no probs, do that on an RB turbo and kiss your cars reliability goodbye, its simple but whats more important than milage is maintenance.

Theres a reason why exotic cars with high milage but have perfect service history fetch a higher price than the same car with lower milage and no history, high performance engines do not last long if they are not maintained properly, an RB stands for Race Bred, they rev fairly high, they burn the oil quite easily. Fresh looking yellow oil can still be burnt after a hard day at the track, the oil doesn't even have to change colour for it to need a change, so forget it when its black...

every car i have ever owned or seen, including my mothers corolla which she bought brand new will turn the oil black once the engine is run in. sure a brand new engine that has had the oil changed once or twice might still have ok coloured oil after 5000kms, but you will find that once it is past that it will turn the oil black. all engines do it. it is a fact of life. if you go and check a car and the oil is still golden then it means that the oil is fresh, not that the engine is in super great condition.

[Bunta]

ha ha, Annas engine is 10,000km old and still turns the oil blackish and thats well before 5000km. If i pulled the sump and it was still golden it would be concerned...because that would be fkn wierd! lol

[jrm]

RB stands for Race Bred

That's actually a myth, propogated by people like you.

[Munkyb0y]

all this km guessing is pointless. unless you have an obvious indicator, like service sticker, log books, etc.

best bet is to assume the kms on any low km import are false, and then judge the car on its condition.

this way, you wont be swayed by false kms, and you wont be dissapointed later down the track. and hey, if the kms are true, woooties for you.

coz a 62,000km 15 yr old taxi is just not plausible. and in most of these cases, it will be a false reading.

[Kujotk]

I have 2 cars that get serviced every 5000km maximum, and one car that gets serviced every 1000km, none of them turn black in that time, they all only reach a brown at the worst in that time.

I only use elf synthetics for the two 5000km cars, and use Shell for the 1000km car purely because thats what the manufacturer recomends and because the shell was developed purely for this car.

I don't think I have made my point come across too well seeing as I was writing early in the morning, anyway if you pour the oil into a basin of some sort the oil will look midnight black, if you are just checking it on a white cloth you will see the oil will still be brown with quite abit of yellow still visible, you can not check the car's oil in an inspection by dumping it all into a basin, you can only check it from the dip stick. If you check it and it is pure black on the cloth that is unusually black, there are different grades of brown and black in oil colour.

The day I buy a faulty engine using my techniques of looking for a decent car is the day i'll admit i'm wrong, but after driving the line for 50 000km with only having to perform a clutch change and the coils, and the fact that Yavus from Unigroup car tuners did my last service (100 000km major service) and dynoed it saying it is "the freshest r33 engine he has ever seen" with the dyno results of now 194.4rwkw with only a turbo back exhaust, pod filter, 10psi boost on standard turbo and a fmic running on a standard ecu. last dyno day most of the r33's were getting 180rwkw and under with the ssme mods. The dyno day before it had a catback and pod only and it hit 160rwkw where everyone else was getting between 125-145 for stock or catback exhaust.

I do most of my work on the skyline myself, most of the time it ever needs oil and filter, I have grown up with cars, I have worked on a vast more range of cars then probably most of you guys have from Kia-Ferrari, I have lived with 2 and 4 stroke bikes since a kid and I have studied allot into how oils work and learn't things for myself that no one else has ever realised. Look into your own cars more closely next time and you will eventually come around and say "that prick was right".

[Kujotk]

That's actually a myth, propogated by people like you.

so instead of telling us its a myth, and only you have said otherwise even though allot of people in the know haven't said anything about that statement, what does it mean? Enlighten us.

Every week there is someone on here saying it stands for Race Bred, no one has said what it actually stands for nd no one has contested it...