Turbz RB-25 Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Hi Fellas, I was recently having a few issues with my car with low power output. However, I change the spark plugs (Put NGK platinum ones) and the power was back up (wheels spings in 3rd gear ) Anyway, 3 weeks of driving, the power is back down, had a look at the spark plugs, and they are fouled, yet again... I cant keep forking out $150 every 3 weeks to change the spark plugs, so what do you guys suggest? I have a built rb25/30 block, forged pistons, rods, the whole shabang. GT35r turbo, Autronic SM4. Went to the tuner last week, AFR were perfect throughout so I am not too sure whats causing the fouling? Will I need to get hotter plugs? I am currently running the NGK PFR6G-11 5555 at 0.8 gap. Not sure what heat rating these are. Any suggestions are welcome. CHeers fellas. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308303-spark-plugs-keep-fouling-why/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adriano Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Stop putting $150 plugs in, they dont help. Either it is running too rich, which could be too much cold start enrichment, accell enrichment, or you have a weak spark. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308303-spark-plugs-keep-fouling-why/#findComment-5088460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthX Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Do you have any rich spots in your tune, even small events? i.e. just coming onto boost, or injection cut on deceleration? Are you getting any misfires, especially on boost? as i understand it, plugs foul cos of rich condition and/or lack of spark (not igniting the mix) maybe something to do with the gap? with 22psi (going by whats in your sig) you might need a colder plug. most people run 6s on stock engines/lower boost. what did your tuner have to say? good luck bro Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308303-spark-plugs-keep-fouling-why/#findComment-5088461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adriano Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 colder plug would only make the problem worse Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308303-spark-plugs-keep-fouling-why/#findComment-5088475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 what kind of driving do you do? constant short trips (5mins or so to work i the morning) when the car is cold and not hitting boost can foul plugs pretty easily... if this is the case take it out for a nice longer drive and boost it a bit... it should clear up. otherwise, look at your tune again... most likely too much fuel somewhere. plugs to use would be bcpr7es @ 0.8 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308303-spark-plugs-keep-fouling-why/#findComment-5088558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTScotT Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 WB o2 and drive it around. i bet the problem is at idle and low speed driving being too rich rather than WOT Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308303-spark-plugs-keep-fouling-why/#findComment-5088686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 +1.... Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308303-spark-plugs-keep-fouling-why/#findComment-5088744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
STATUS Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Guarantee the tune is way to rich on transitions and cold start driving. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308303-spark-plugs-keep-fouling-why/#findComment-5088953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R31Nismoid Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 I thought people were knowledgeable enough not to STOP using Plati plugs? Coppers all the way. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308303-spark-plugs-keep-fouling-why/#findComment-5088960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Guarantee the tune is way to rich on transitions and cold start driving. you got a pm trent Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308303-spark-plugs-keep-fouling-why/#findComment-5089060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARLORD Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Guarantee the tune is way to rich on transitions and cold start driving. ++1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308303-spark-plugs-keep-fouling-why/#findComment-5089248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFI Performance Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Check to see if injector over-run is tuned off on decel Sm4 Autronic, wicked ECU with great injector control. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308303-spark-plugs-keep-fouling-why/#findComment-5089294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
STATUS Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Check to see if injector over-run is tuned off on decelSm4 Autronic, wicked ECU with great injector control. is too Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308303-spark-plugs-keep-fouling-why/#findComment-5089330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbz RB-25 Posted February 16, 2010 Author Share Posted February 16, 2010 I thought people were knowledgeable enough not to STOP using Plati plugs?Coppers all the way. Sorry mate, you contradicted yourself there.... Not to stop or to stop? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308303-spark-plugs-keep-fouling-why/#findComment-5090025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 i think he meant to say NOW to stop... ash HATES iridium plugs.... as do i Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308303-spark-plugs-keep-fouling-why/#findComment-5090060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PM-R33 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Coppers for the win. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308303-spark-plugs-keep-fouling-why/#findComment-5090095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiTAN Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 BCPR7ES plugs here (near identical engine setup) sub $30 for 6 plugs, just check them at each service it is only a 10-20 min job. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308303-spark-plugs-keep-fouling-why/#findComment-5090114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbz RB-25 Posted February 16, 2010 Author Share Posted February 16, 2010 what kind of driving do you do?constant short trips (5mins or so to work i the morning) when the car is cold and not hitting boost can foul plugs pretty easily... if this is the case take it out for a nice longer drive and boost it a bit... it should clear up. otherwise, look at your tune again... most likely too much fuel somewhere. plugs to use would be bcpr7es @ 0.8 Pretty much 5-10 min drives to work and back each day, car doesn't even get a chance to fully warm up. As for these bcpr7es, what heat range should I get? How long do these spark plugs generally last? I wouldn't mind changing them once a month, anymore than that gets annoying.... Thanks for the input Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308303-spark-plugs-keep-fouling-why/#findComment-5090317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
STATUS Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Pretty much 5-10 min drives to work and back each day, car doesn't even get a chance to fully warm up. As for these bcpr7es, what heat range should I get? How long do these spark plugs generally last? I wouldn't mind changing them once a month, anymore than that gets annoying.... Thanks for the input Theres your answer, you need to trim the temp compensation. bcpr7es, usually 7-12 months depending on driving Kms. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308303-spark-plugs-keep-fouling-why/#findComment-5090337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 the 7 in the number IS the heat range mine last 20,000ish with 300rwkw if your car is always on cold start / idle then try giving it a good run and boosting it for a while and see if the plugs clean up a bit. if they do then you know which part of your tune has too much fuel Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/308303-spark-plugs-keep-fouling-why/#findComment-5090353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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